Looks like Coleman is leaving.

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Living in the poorest state in the union doesn’t help these situations. No vision. No hope. Kids take the first bus out of town. I can’t blame them. I’d go as far as humanly possible from this shitthole.
Sorry your life sucks.
 

OG Goat Holder

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A complete roster flip every offseason is not entertaining to me.
I know it's just reality, but seems to me we need to pick a core group and build with them. In this situation, I think I choose MVB over Arnold. I know folks are throwing out big NIL numbers all over but nobody knows that for sure. We've at least got a season with MVB. I think Lebby mistakenly thinks he's going to recruit his way out of this.
 
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I’ll never be able to remember another players name on our team, because they’ll never be there from one year to the next.
Year? the guys who turn out to be good will play four games to show other teams their skills and then "redshirt" so as not to lose a year.
 

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You need to get a grip. Those b***ards at TSUN have been at the forefront of the whole NIL era and we need to mimic them if we want to have any chance at building a winning program in the next 10 years. There is no "full of crap", money talks especially in this new era.
You are right. But the question is - who really wants to contribute to this? The whole idea of paying kids exorbitant sums to play football is ridiculous. Then they leave for the next highest bidder and then you are stuck doing it again. So much transferring you don’t even know who is on the team and where they came from.
College football I fear is irretrievably broken. My fall used to revolve around football season. The last 2 years I have barely watched any. And I am enjoying my fall much more too. F’em
 

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Not proud to say this but I didn't know anything about Coleman and won't make any effort to find out anything about the guy who replaces him. Why should I ? It is hard to believe that one of the cornerstones of American sports, that I enjoyed so much, just a few years ago could get absolutely destroyed so quickly the way college football has.
You are not alone. I can’t see any reason to contribute to this nonsense if I can’t even make myself watch it. Thankfully I have discovered there is a lot more to life than MSU sports. Too bad it took NIL and the transfer portal to do it
 
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Why would Arnold want to come here if every starting WR is leaving?.. They are probably pushing for more money out of us and/or MVB isn’t taking it well and working against The fact that there are over 1800 D1 players in the portal right now is beyond chaotic.
 

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Why would Arnold want to come here if every starting WR is leaving?.. They are probably pushing for more money out of us and/or MVB isn’t taking it well and working against The fact that there are over 1800 D1 players in the portal right now is beyond chaotic.
I’m not worried about receivers leaving. Surely Lebby can get down to Miami and find a few on a street corner. Croom said they were abundant down there*****
 

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I don't have a problem with Coleman looking. That guy balled out all year. One of the best years we've ever had by a receiver (literally top 5 in receptions and yards). He at least deserves to see what he is worth. Some of these others want to test to market after doing exactly nothing to help us.
 
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It is quaint that we thought we could play college football and the NIL with the big guys anyway. And I'm not talking about Ole Miss itself. I'm talking about college football in general, telling you again that the football we grew up with is gone.
 

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Yes if we continue to run common scheme on offense and defense. But if we committed to niche schemes that are much less common, then that would cut down on this happening, because successful players in niche schemes dont necessarily translate to what those bigger schools might be doing offensively and defensively.
Yeah, we are a niche-needy school. I might even be more excited if we went full triple option. We could probably win 6-9 games every year with that scheme. Of course, the other niche-scheme died with Coach Leach. Doubt we'll ever have a coach to go that route again.
 
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Yeah, we are a niche-needy school. I might even be more excited if we went full triple option. We could probably win 6-9 games every year with that scheme. Of course, the other niche-scheme died with Coach Leach. Doubt we'll ever have a coach to go that route again.
It starts with the administration and the big NIL money accepting who we are and the reality of what we’re up against. This is the only route that can create real stability. It would cost us less money and allow us to develope talent without the fear of key positions leaving for bigger money every single year. We wouldn’t be a farm system for the bigger schools anymore. I haven’t heard a realistic other option at all. This is the only thing that makes since to commit too. Doesn’t have to necessarily be something specific but all need to be in an agreement that it has to be niche and way way less common.
 

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Yeah, we are a niche-needy school. I might even be more excited if we went full triple option. We could probably win 6-9 games every year with that scheme. Of course, the other niche-scheme died with Coach Leach. Doubt we'll ever have a coach to go that route again.
There are a ton of these guys. Our RuN dA bAwL fanbase just doesn't understand that we need them.
 
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I know it's just reality, but seems to me we need to pick a core group and build with them. In this situation, I think I choose MVB over Arnold. I know folks are throwing out big NIL numbers all over but nobody knows that for sure. We've at least got a season with MVB. I think Lebby mistakenly thinks he's going to recruit his way out of this.
I honestly don't get why this thought process keeps getting shot down. We have never made a living off of 5* blue chippers or signing day championships, and our calling card has always been the ongoing development of the the 3 and low 4 star types. Getting prospects like that and then spending a little $ to get them to stick around sure seems more appealing than whatever the hell it is that we're doing now.

Will it mean that we'll occasionally develop a guy only for him to bail for another school in his last season? Sure, but again, I'll take continuity with a couple guys leaving every year over this 100% roster churn BS any day. Especially when we're clearly struggling to even replace the guys that we chose not to keep
 

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I honestly don't get why this thought process keeps getting shot down. We have never made a living off of 5* blue chippers or signing day championships, and our calling card has always been the ongoing development of the the 3 and low 4 star types. Getting prospects like that and then spending a little $ to get them to stick around sure seems more appealing than whatever the hell it is that we're doing now.

Will it mean that we'll occasionally develop a guy only for him to bail for another school in his last season? Sure, but again, I'll take continuity with a couple guys leaving every year over this 100% roster churn BS any day. Especially when we're clearly struggling to even replace the guys that we chose not to keep
Because Van Buren was way overrated. Good deep ball, but horrible on shorter passes, far too inaccurate overall, zero pocket awareness, poor TD-INT ratio, and damn near led the country in fumbles lost. And had some locker room issues to go with it. So no, we weren't going to knock ourselves out to match his inflated idea of his real worth. I'm no Lebby fan, but he's doing the right thing here.
 

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I honestly don't get why this thought process keeps getting shot down. We have never made a living off of 5* blue chippers or signing day championships, and our calling card has always been the ongoing development of the the 3 and low 4 star types. Getting prospects like that and then spending a little $ to get them to stick around sure seems more appealing than whatever the hell it is that we're doing now.

Will it mean that we'll occasionally develop a guy only for him to bail for another school in his last season? Sure, but again, I'll take continuity with a couple guys leaving every year over this 100% roster churn BS any day. Especially when we're clearly struggling to even replace the guys that we chose not to keep
It’s simple…..they want to do what Ole Miss is doing.
 

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Ole Miss is managing the system a lot better than we are.
You are totally correct, they are running circles around us. They also have more money than us, but they do have an expiration date on their version of “managing the system.” Sure, they might last another handful of years, but eventually, their funds will dry up. Heaven forbid lane leave and the roster bails with him, they’ll be fighting for the bottom with us.

we just have to watch them win a s’ton of games until those days come, and we won’t be bowl eligible until they change the system. We’re cooked. Denying that is just delusion.
 
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You are totally correct, they are running circles around us. They also have more money than us, but they do have an expiration date on their version of “managing the system.” Sure, they might last another handful of years, but eventually, their funds will dry up. Heaven forbid lane leave and the roster bails with him, they’ll be fighting for the bottom with us.

we just have to watch them win a s’ton of games until those days come, and we won’t be bowl eligible until they change the system. We’re cooked. Denying that is just delusion.
They are running circles around us. And they will compete better than we will until we make some major changes. But they won’t be able to compete with the top hslf of the SEC for long.
 

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Because Van Buren was way overrated. Good deep ball, but horrible on shorter passes, far too inaccurate overall, zero pocket awareness, poor TD-INT ratio, and damn near led the country in fumbles lost. And had some locker room issues to go with it. So no, we weren't going to knock ourselves out to match his inflated idea of his real worth. I'm no Lebby fan, but he's doing the right thing here.
Oh, no disagreement on MVB. I expect him to improve a lot over the next couple years, but we didn’t see enough from him in year 1 to warrant the ridiculous NIL asking prices that have been circulating

My comment is more about the 25 other 3 and 4* kids that are now in the portal. Some I get, but it seems like we gave up on others very quickly. Maybe just a bunch of poor evaluations, but that doesn’t make me feel a ton better
 
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I think we all may be looking at this the incorrect way... are we behind in the NIL with regards to football, YES. So instead of crying and whining about it... Lets instead allocate those funds towards basketball and baseball. We can't compete with most colleges around us in football in this new age, but we CAN overwhelmingly compete and surpass a lot of them in... those two sports. Just outspend ...
 

patdog

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I think we all may be looking at this the incorrect way... are we behind in the NIL with regards to football, YES. So instead of crying and whining about it... Lets instead allocate those funds towards basketball and baseball. We can't compete with most colleges around us in football in this new age, but we CAN overwhelmingly compete and surpass a lot of them in... those two sports. Just outspend ...
I'm not convinced that's not our strategy. Sacrifice football and try to save the other sports. And honestly, that might be the only one that can work for us in this NIL era. Win 5-6 football games and suck at everything else, or win 2-3 football games and be good in most other sports.
 
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I'm not convinced that's not our strategy. Sacrifice football and try to save the other sports. And honestly, that might be the only one that can work for us in this NIL era. Win 5-6 football games and suck at everything else, or win 2-3 football games and be good in most other sports.
May be on to something. Some Boosters and higher ups were not happy with Leach winning nine games and were very quick to dismantle it.
 
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Imagine how Coleman feels. It’ll be his fourth stop in the same amount of years! His transcript is gonna be busy.
I thought schools required more than one year to get a diploma from said school. Is that not the case? I mean, if he was really worried about a diploma.
Your last 60 hours used to have to be from the graduating school unless the school waived it I think.
 
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