Make of it what you will... Bama can't cheat anymore

onewoof

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  • Michigan caught cheating, coach leaves
  • Bama coach leaves
  • Bama coach is a Belichick protege, who was caught filming practices, etc
  • Bama clearly unaware of Vandy play calls, where Bama just always seems to mysteriously know what plays are called in most games they play

Just seems like it's within the realm of possibility that a coach may have stepped down involuntarily. Or... that team isn't doing "whatever it takes" to win now. Or seeing things go down at Michigan, they aren't willing to take the risk anymore, a risk that would severely damage the bama brand for the last 17 years
 

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When 18-22 year olds receive monopoly money, the coaching profession takes on a new twist because now there's a new distraction for the players. You have to make them understand they're being paid to win not just paid to play. That's one area where Bama's staff is failing.
 

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When 18-22 year olds receive monopoly money, the coaching profession takes on a new twist because now there's a new distraction for the players. You have to make them understand they're being paid to win not just paid to play. That's one area where Bama's staff is failing.
Seeing how hard of a nose dive NIL took into pay for play territory (pay for showing up) I wouldn’t mind if the pendulum swung the other way into more of a pay per win model.
 
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My conspiracy theory is this :
Texas is paying refs enough (and more) to offset what bama has been paying them for years. As soon as uTex lost their #1 rank, they made sure bama didn't get any breaks. Come at me bro!
 

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You are reading way too much in what happened in Nashville today. If you think Alabama is all of the sudden going to be void of good players, you‘re being naive.
 
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My theory is some of you are addicted to conspiracy theories.

With the exception of the first half against UGA, Bama has not looked that great this year. Moving them to #1 was an over reaction.

I hate to beat the TOP drum for the second week in a row - it really is an over rated stat - but Vanderbilt held the ball for over 42 minutes. They ran 75 plays vs. Bama's 46. Those last couple of possessions, it showed.
 
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My theory is some of you are addicted to conspiracy theories.

With the exception of the first half against UGA, Bama has not looked that great this year. Moving them to #1 was an over reaction.

I hate to beat the TOP drum for the second week in a row - it really is an over rated stat - but Vanderbilt held the ball for over 42 minutes. They ran 75 plays vs. Bama's 46. Those last couple of possessions, it showed.
Deboer is learning why you never want to be the guy to follow “the guy”. My heart bleeds peanut butter for him and his millions.
 

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Couldn't happen to a better fan base. Satan left because he didn't want to go out losing a few games each season. It would be great if they lose 4 or 5 games this season.
 
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  • Michigan caught cheating, coach leaves
  • Bama coach leaves
  • Bama coach is a Belichick protege, who was caught filming practices, etc
  • Bama clearly unaware of Vandy play calls, where Bama just always seems to mysteriously know what plays are called in most games they play

Just seems like it's within the realm of possibility that a coach may have stepped down involuntarily. Or... that team isn't doing "whatever it takes" to win now. Or seeing things go down at Michigan, they aren't willing to take the risk anymore, a risk that would severely damage the bama brand for the last 17 years
What drugs are you on and can I have some?
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onewoof

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What drugs are you on and can I have some?
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Think about statistics and probability. You cannot win that many games playing fair. Especially when others are cheating too

Similar to the advantages Bryant had as well, ask your Dad about that
 
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Deboer is learning why you never want to be the guy to follow “the guy”. My heart bleeds peanut butter for him and his millions.
As far as the pride in winning and losing, I agree, that’s always been the play. But those “millions” change the equation. With the buyouts now, the embarrassment of losing is worth the risk.
 

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Think about statistics and probability. You cannot win that many games playing fair. Especially when others are cheating too

Similar to the advantages Bryant had as well, ask your Dad about that
You need to learn about statistics and probability before citing them as "evidence".
 
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onewoof

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You need to learn about statistics and probability before citing them as "evidence".
Let's just agree that the Patriots and the Tide had runs at similar times doing similar things well. Looks like that chapter has closed. For now.
 

mcdawg22

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Think about statistics and probability. You cannot win that many games playing fair. Especially when others are cheating too

Similar to the advantages Bryant had as well, ask your Dad about that
Was John Wooden cheating? Red Auerbach? Joe McCarthy?
 

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Don’t forget that roughly half of the SEC refs are from the State of Alabama. Many of them have Alabama ties and have shown repeatedly over the years that they will protect the tide no matter what. That’s been going on since at least back to 1960 and I don’t think anything has changed. The only way that ever gets fixed is to move the headquarters out of Birmingham and clean house on the referees, which don’t do a good job even when they are not busy protecting Alabama. We all have seen it many times. I myself have seen enough SEC ref screw jobs to write a book going back to the worst case of all in 1961.
 

onewoof

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Was John Wooden cheating? Red Auerbach? Joe McCarthy?
Wooden might be the single biggest benefactor of cheating ever. Really got into mentoring and lecturing and believing that he was making them great lol. Like the recent bama coach.

Basically, you have to get elite players to play to their ability. Then take all the credit and the 8 figure paycheck.
 

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Let's just agree that the Patriots and the Tide had runs at similar times doing similar things well. Looks like that chapter has closed. For now.
Why would I agree to something that is unsubstantiated speculation?

It was well known that Saban had 1 analyst assigned to scout every opponent on the roster. That sucks for the competition, but it wasn't cheating. A coach studying up on 1 team will learn a lot about their tendencies, and maybe even pick up on some of their signals.

DeBoer inherited the same resources, but I'm not sure he has as many analysts on staff. And since he hasn't shown the ability to rehab wayward coaches into productive members of society, he probably doesn't have the same quality of analysts.

Still, this is just 1 game and cannot possibly be viewed as a trend, or a sign that things have materially changed for Bama.

I think they still make the playoffs.
 

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Don’t forget that roughly half of the SEC refs are from the State of Alabama. Many of them have Alabama ties and have shown repeatedly over the years that they will protect the tide no matter what. That’s been going on since at least back to 1960 and I don’t think anything has changed. The only way that ever gets fixed is to move the headquarters out of Birmingham and clean house on the referees, which don’t do a good job even when they are not busy protecting Alabama. We all have seen it many times. I myself have seen enough SEC ref screw jobs to write a book going back to the worst case of all in 1961.
Do you have a cite for your claim that half the Refs are from Alabama. That seems unlikely. And wouldn't moving the SEC office just create a new bias?

The SEC does not allow refs to call games involving a school they attended, a school their spouse or children attended, a school that employs a relative, a school where they have a business relationship, or - if the ref is a former player - a team that employs a refs former coach or teammate (during the Croom era there were a couple of former Bama players who could not officiate MSU games).

Hometown and home state are only considerations for the SEC Championship game.

Refs make bad calls, and it is only human nature to assume there is bias. I believe Hanlon's razor applies: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

What is a more attractive television product: A league where upsets are always possible, or a league where just 1 or 3 teams win all the time? SEC football is an extremely valuable television commodity, and only a fool would risk losing that money - along with likely jail time - by manipulating the outcomes of games.
 

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Deboer ain't Saban and we all knew that when he was hired. Nobody will ever be Saban.
This is correct. I know everyone thinks he retired because of the state of the game, and that’s part of it, but the guy is still old. He would have found a way to adapt just like any other time, if he was say, 51 rather than 72 or whatever he is.
 

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Don’t forget that roughly half of the SEC refs are from the State of Alabama. Many of them have Alabama ties and have shown repeatedly over the years that they will protect the tide no matter what. That’s been going on since at least back to 1960 and I don’t think anything has changed. The only way that ever gets fixed is to move the headquarters out of Birmingham and clean house on the referees, which don’t do a good job even when they are not busy protecting Alabama. We all have seen it many times. I myself have seen enough SEC ref screw jobs to write a book going back to the worst case of all in 1961.
Tell us more about the 1961 incident.
 
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