Mario to the portal

[gamecock stock]

He is a decent player, but nothing special. I hope he checks the depth chart before choosing the next school.

Let's face it: college sports has now become games of mercenaries for hire. Can we compete? If we have to resort to bringing in IVY League players, FCS and below talent, then the answer to me will be obvious.

I sincerely wish Mario well and hope he has a good rest of his life.

It was James Caan in "The Godfather" and Tom Hanks in "You've Got Mail" who said, "It's not personal; it's business".

 

[Maccmaine12]

It's no different than leaving a job for more money. You have probably made the move. Call it greed if you would like.

Crazy the hypocrisy on this board.

It’s a difference. If I’m leaving my job that’s capable of giving me the same amount that I’ll get somewhere else then I’ll most likely stay. We just watched 3 of our guys that we developed leave and production went down. That simply mean you made a bad business decision.

 

[Viennacock]

It’s a difference. If I’m leaving my job that’s capable of giving me the same amount that I’ll get somewhere else then I’ll most likely stay. We just watched 3 of our guys that we developed leave and production went down. That simply mean you made a bad business decision.

We are not capable or willing to give them the same amount as elsewhere. Who are three in which you are referring?

 

[Yard_Pimps]

It’s a difference. If I’m leaving my job that’s capable of giving me the same amount that I’ll get somewhere else then I’ll most likely stay. We just watched 3 of our guys that we developed leave and production went down. That simply mean you made a bad business decision.

You don’t know if we are matching the money he is being offered so how can you say that. When several reports say it’s about NIL that doesn’t lead me to believe that we are matching. I am not staring at a job making less if someone offers me more to do the same job.

 

[Jonesz2]

You don’t know if we are matching the money he is being offered so how can you say that. When several reports say it’s about NIL that doesn’t lead me to believe that we are matching. I am not staring at a job making less if someone offers me more to do the same job.

No. But if my current job has been there for me it matters. I don’t jump ship for more money even though I could. There is more to a job than money.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

No. But if my current job has been there for me it matters. I don’t jump ship for more money even though I could. There is more to a job than money.

Not everyone thinks like that. Matter of fact it’s less than half. If that job can offer me everything plus more money most are going. It’s human nature. Add in the fact these are young adults, not sure why you expect them to act differently. The game has no loyalty for them why should they have loyalty to the game.

 

[Gamecock Lincoln]

Don't understand the anger toward him. We got him out of the portal and now he thinks he can better himself by moving on. Unlike Wells, he fulfilled his obligation. Played all season. Wells, on the other hand, took the money and ran. Bell did the same. Selling jerseys night before he left. That leaves a bad taste and is a cheap thing to do. All schools, including the blue bloods, lose starters that they want to keep. Hopefully we'll snag a few of those. This is something we all need to get used to. It's not changing anytime soon, if ever.

 

[Viennacock]

Don't understand the anger toward him. We got him out of the portal and now he thinks he can better himself by moving on. Unlike Wells, he fulfilled his obligation. Played all season. Wells, on the other hand, took the money and ran. Bell did the same. Selling jerseys night before he left. That leaves a bad taste and is a cheap thing to do. All schools, including the blue bloods, lose starters that they want to keep. Hopefully we'll snag a few of those. This is something we all need to get used to. It's not changing anytime soon, if ever.

Agreed. The portal taketh and it giveth.

 

[cockyferg]

100%!

Who among us has never lied to an employer about being on another job interview? Who among us has never taken another offer to our employer and told him you need a raise or you’re leaving? Who among us retired from the same place they began working out of school? My guess is nobody on this board meets this criteria. But we demand 18-23 year old young men do it? Some of you need to get over yourselves.

So because you have no ethics, we shouldn't ask anyone else to? If you've lied to your employers, to serve your own ends, fine, you don't have to have good ethics, but you shouldn't applaud it.

 

[cockyferg]

It's no different than leaving a job for more money. You have probably made the move. Call it greed if you would like.

Crazy the hypocrisy on this board.

It's not the same at all. They are in college. They are in college because they can play football. The university is paying for them to go to college, and the NIL is paying them as well. It's different. Completely different.

 

[Deleted11512]

So because you have no ethics, we shouldn't ask anyone else to? If you've lied to your employers, to serve your own ends, fine, you don't have to have good ethics, but you shouldn't applaud it.

lol.

“Hey boss. I don’t like working here anymore. So I’m going to look for another job. But I’ll make sure to share my interview schedule so you can plan accordingly.”

Neither I, nor anyone that’s ever worked for me, has EVER done that.

 

[Maccmaine12]

You don’t know if we are matching the money he is being offered so how can you say that. When several reports say it’s about NIL that doesn’t lead me to believe that we are matching. I am not staring at a job making less if someone offers me more to do the same job.

I’m not sure that we’re offering the exact same amount but it’s not that far off. Idk why everyone is sitting up here thinking players are getting millions of dollars by 1 NIL deal. The players that are getting that much are limited. Spencer, Caleb, Deion kids, and probably a couple of more players. I’m not mad at any players leaving tbh. I’m just saying that a lot of the players that left, dropped off in production and a couple of thousands of dollars make that a bad business decision, if their goals is to make it to the league.

 

[Deleted11512]

I’m not sure that we’re offering the exact same amount but it’s not that far off. Idk why everyone is sitting up here thinking players are getting millions of dollars by 1 NIL deal. The players that are getting that much are limited. Spencer, Caleb, Deion kids, and probably a couple of more players. I’m not mad at any players leaving tbh. I’m just saying that a lot of the players that left, dropped off in production and a couple of thousands of dollars make that a bad business decision, if their goals is to make it to the league.

A couple thousand?? They were getting that in travel stipends before NIL. USC was paying up to $5,980 per student athlete for academic performance (which SCOTUS deemed legal in 2020). I promise a starting SEC RB that broke a couple of 75 yd TDs and proved to be a tough between the tackles RB is getting A LOT more than a couple thousand. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him easily get to 6 figures. It’s not all cash. Juice was getting $30-40k/yr in free rent at his condo.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Not what I’m hearing from some of his contacts in newberry.

lol

 

[Yard_Pimps]

I’m not sure that we’re offering the exact same amount but it’s not that far off. Idk why everyone is sitting up here thinking players are getting millions of dollars by 1 NIL deal. The players that are getting that much are limited. Spencer, Caleb, Deion kids, and probably a couple of more players. I’m not mad at any players leaving tbh. I’m just saying that a lot of the players that left, dropped off in production and a couple of thousands of dollars make that a bad business decision, if their goals is to make it to the league.

A couple of more players? When a qb according to multiple coaches cost your a million plus. Jeez man open your eyes. Tell me you have no idea what’s going on in the real world without telling me you don’t know what’s going on. Players at places like Georgia Clemson Ohio state are hurting 50k+ as a base. Every single player in Georgia’s team gets 50k plus.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

A couple thousand?? They were getting that in travel stipends before NIL. USC was paying up to $5,980 per student athlete for academic performance (which SCOTUS deemed legal in 2020). I promise a starting SEC RB that broke a couple of 75 yd TDs and proved to be a tough between the tackles RB is getting A LOT more than a couple thousand. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him easily get to 6 figures. It’s not all cash. Juice was getting $30-40k/yr in free rent at his condo.

Rattler got a million this guy is delusional

 

[Maccmaine12]

A couple thousand?? They were getting that in travel stipends before NIL. USC was paying up to $5,980 per student athlete for academic performance (which SCOTUS deemed legal in 2020). I promise a starting SEC RB that broke a couple of 75 yd TDs and proved to be a tough between the tackles RB is getting A LOT more than a couple thousand. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him easily get to 6 figures. It’s not all cash. Juice was getting $30-40k/yr in free rent at his condo.

I’m speaking from a NIL standpoint. Not a stipend that every SEC player gets regardless. I’m not sure what anybody’s NIL money looks like but SC isn’t in the below average school when it comes to collective or NIL. And even if it’s more than a couple of thousands, they’re losing more than that when it comes to their potential draft position.

 

[Viennacock]

It's not the same at all. They are in college. They are in college because they can play football. The university is paying for them to go to college, and the NIL is paying them as well. It's different. Completely different.

Sorry, very little difference. I'm not suggesting I like all the rules or lack thereof but it's free agency just like you and I at our place of employment.

 

[Deleted11512]

I’m speaking from a NIL standpoint. Not a stipend that every SEC player gets regardless. I’m not sure what anybody’s NIL money looks like but SC isn’t in the below average school when it comes to collective or NIL. And even if it’s more than a couple of thousands, they’re losing more than that when it comes to their potential draft position.

I don’t disagree. A lot of these guys are getting bad advice for an immediate payout. But that immediate payout on the contributors we lost would be life changing for those that don’t go on the NFL.

 

[Maccmaine12]

I don’t disagree. A lot of these guys are getting bad advice for an immediate payout. But that immediate payout on the contributors we lost would be life changing for those that don’t go on the NFL.

That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care if players leave or not, I’m just saying some are getting bad advice if they inspire to play in the league or be high draft picks.

 

[Jonesz2]

Not everyone thinks like that. Matter of fact it’s less than half. If that job can offer me everything plus more money most are going. It’s human nature. Add in the fact these are young adults, not sure why you expect them to act differently. The game has no loyalty for them why should they have loyalty to the game.

Exactly and the players shouldn’t expect the schools to be loyal to them either. 2 sides to every coin.

 

[cockyferg]

lol.

“Hey boss. I don’t like working here anymore. So I’m going to look for another job. But I’ll make sure to share my interview schedule so you can plan accordingly.”

Neither I, nor anyone that’s ever worked for me, has EVER done that.

Also false. I have given my notice and informed them I'm looking. Sometimes they try to get you to stay with incentives, sometimes they say good luck. Nobody said being ethical is easy.

 

[cockyferg]

That’s all I’m saying. I don’t care if players leave or not, I’m just saying some are getting bad advice if they inspire to play in the league or be high draft picks.

It's not that many of them are leaving, but how they're leaving. Juice completely took advantage of our program this season, which is indefensible from any way you look at it. I am irritated that Mario is leaving because we are in a P5 conference and we took a chance on a Division 2 player and he had a reasonably good year. Now he thinks he's too good for SC. I don't blame a guy trying to better himself, but it's not a good look.

 

[Deleted11512]

Also false. I have given my notice and informed them I'm looking. Sometimes they try to get you to stay with incentives, sometimes they say good luck. Nobody said being ethical is easy.

Then you are an exceptional individual...or FOS. Either way, congrats.

 

[Deleted11512]

Damn, this update makes me feel bad for Mario. I get that he's a grown man and made a grown man decision. But that decision was likely influenced by a greedy agent and/or a dad that has been acting a fool interacting with fans on twitter. Can you imagine if this dude ends up at Memphis?? If OU and Socal fall through, I really hope Beamer doesn't let him come back. Sometimes people have to learn the hard, and sometimes you need case study to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen again. I don't have any ill will towards Mario. Hope whatever path is ahead of him is fruitful.

Just as a note, the average RB in the NFL makes less than the average kicker. RBs are not valued in terms of salary at all. So these RB jumping in the portal looking for a payday are likely to be disappointed. Go ask SoCal if they feel like they got a good return on their Lloyd investment.

 

[SuperCock99]

Some players are going to be swapping teams more than they do undies.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Damn, this update makes me feel bad for Mario. I get that he's a grown man and made a grown man decision. But that decision was likely influenced by a greedy agent and/or a dad that has been acting a fool interacting with fans on twitter. Can you imagine if this dude ends up at Memphis?? If OU and Socal fall through, I really hope Beamer doesn't let him come back. Sometimes people have to learn the hard, and sometimes you need case study to make sure stuff like this doesn't happen again. I don't have any ill will towards Mario. Hope whatever path is ahead of him is fruitful.

Just as a note, the average RB in the NFL makes less than the average kicker. RBs are not valued in terms of salary at all. So these RB jumping in the portal looking for a payday are likely to be disappointed. Go ask SoCal if they feel like they got a good return on their Lloyd investment.

lord have mercy, it would be hilarious if he ended up at Memphis. I pray this happens.

 

[kidrobinski]

Also false. I have given my notice and informed them I'm looking. Sometimes they try to get you to stay with incentives, sometimes they say good luck. Nobody said being ethical is easy.

I retired in 2015. My experience was that your approach was the norm.

 

[Deleted11512]

lord have mercy, it would be hilarious if ended up at Memphis. I pray this happens.

I don't know man. I don't. I was young and stupid...very stupid. I hope no one was praying for my failure back then. Lord knows I didn't need any help at it!!

Juice? Have at it. I've heard JC talk about the Mario situation and say it's VERY different than Juice. Didn't give any details, but I don't have any reason to doubt him.

 

[Deleted11512]

I retired in 2015. My experience was that your approach was the norm.

Where are ya'll working? I've never had anyone give me a notice without a place to land...I haven't either. Again, you guys are either extremely lucky or FOS.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't know man. I don't. I was young and stupid...very stupid. I hope no one was praying for my failure back then. Lord knows I didn't need any help at it!!

Juice? Have at it. I've heard JC talk about the Mario situation and say it's VERY different than Juice. Didn't give any details, but I don't have any reason to doubt him.

I just think it would be good if there were some cautionary tales out there.

Mario's not young, though (I know it's all relative, of course). Stupid, maybe. He's 22 years old, though. Will be 23 before the 2024 season starts. He's not a dumb kid right out of high school. He's a grown 22 year old man making a decision.

I don't personally see a lot of difference between Juice and Mario. I don't know which is worse. Beamer plucked Mario from total D2 obscurity and gave him the chance to play P5 ball and possibly get to the pros. You would think Mario would be eternally indebted to Beamer and USC...because that's the normal human response. Or should be. I just have zero tolerance for ingratitude, which is so rampant in our society. Ingratitude is at the root of so many ills in our society.

 

[Deleted11512]

I just think it would be good if there were some cautionary tales out there.

Mario's not young, though (I know it's all relative, of course). Stupid, maybe. He's 22 years old, though. Will be 23 before the 2024 season starts. He's not a dumb kid right out of high school. He's a 22 year old man making a decision.

I get that. But you're not in the real world yet. College is like Disney Land. BIG diff in a 23 year old HS graduate and 23 year old college student. Not making excuses for him, and agree that there needs to be case studies to avoid it in the future. Just hate to see it, especially for a SC kid.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I get that. But you're not in the real world yet. College is like Disney Land. BIG diff in a 23 year old HS graduate and 23 year old college student. Not making excuses for him, and agree that there needs to be case studies to avoid it in the future. Just hate to see it, especially for a SC kid.

I don't hope he dies or ends up bankrupt and living on the streets or anything. The worst thing that would happen to him in this scenario is he ends up playing football in a G5 conference instead of P5. That's a pretty soft landing in life to hopefully learn a lesson.

 

[Deleted11512]

I don't hope he dies or ends up bankrupt and living on the streets or anything. The worst thing that would happen to him in this scenario is he ends up playing football in a G5 conference instead of P5. That's a pretty soft landing in life to hopefully learn a lesson.

100%. Still a free education at a D1 school instead of D2. So he'd still improve from where he started. Would just be a damn shame if that's how it worked compared to what could have been.

 

[18IsTheMan]

100%. Still a free education at a D1 school instead of D2. So he'd still improve from where he started. Would just be a damn shame if that's how it worked compared to what could have been.

One of the many downsides to the current NIL situation is the lack of transparency. People just assume if a kid is a transferring it's for an advantageous NIL deal. And, in the absence of any fact, speculation runs wild about the size of the NIL deals players are getting. I am sure for most players that transferring it turns to be a lateral move. I don't think of our high profile transfers significantly boosted their stock by transferring. Yes, they ended up playing for teams that had better seasons, but I don't think of any their NFL prospects are drastically enhanced. A small percentage blow up, like Juice, though I suspect even if he had stayed at JMU, scouts would have picked up on him. There aren't a lot of guys who slip through the cracks for NFL scouts.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Mario's cause is not helped by the fact that a number of other high profile backs have entered the portal. He's currently the 14th rated back in the portal and 153rd player overall.

 

[Big JC]

A couple thousand?? They were getting that in travel stipends before NIL. USC was paying up to $5,980 per student athlete for academic performance (which SCOTUS deemed legal in 2020). I promise a starting SEC RB that broke a couple of 75 yd TDs and proved to be a tough between the tackles RB is getting A LOT more than a couple thousand. Wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him easily get to 6 figures. It’s not all cash. Juice was getting $30-40k/yr in free rent at his condo.

Must be a hell of a condo in Columbia if rent was $3000+ a month.

 

[Deleted11512]

Mario's cause is not helped by the fact that a number of other high profile backs have entered the portal. He's currently the 14th rated back in the portal and 153rd player overall.

Yep. And I hope our NIL efforts start mirroring the NFL. In terms of salary, the NFL values RBs lower than kickers. The pour their money into QB, OL, DL, and WRs. If you have a good OL, and your passing game is good enough to keep defenders out of the box, you'll move the ball and put up points with an otherwise average RB. Having said that, landing Rocket then signing Hill would be cool.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Yep. And I hope our NIL efforts start mirroring the NFL. In terms of salary, the NFL values RBs lower than kickers. The pour their money into QB, OL, DL, and WRs. If you have a good OL, and your passing game is good enough to keep defenders out of the box, you'll move the ball and put up points with an otherwise average RB. Having said that, landing Rocket then signing Hill would be cool.

I see we also offered an FCS RB, Sam Franklin from UT Martin, a Walter Payton finalist.

FWIW, On3 has Sanders 100% to us.

 

[Deleted11512]

Must be a hell of a condo in Columbia if rent was $3000+ a month.

I don't know what a condo in downtown Columbia costs. I just guestimated that it's $2,500-3K. There's likely a heft HOA on top of the lease as well that I included in my guestimation. I'm assuming we didn't set him up in something similar to the accommodations at Bates.