Mass shooting in Buffalo - ten dead

Moogy

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Well that is certainly one way to look at it. The other is he suddenly had all that free time on his hands. Just an absolute terrible combination with his mental illness, the sudden and massive amount of time he had at such a critical developmental moment, the missed warning signs, etc etc.

Why did he suddenly have too much time on his hands? Whose fault was that?
 
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I most certainly am not giving him a pass, he deserves the chair. His family members noticed a change at the beginning of the pandemic. It's information, whether you agree, disagree, or any other view. If you think you know this crazy stranger, all his motives, how he got there, knock yourself out. If you think there were no consequences to the pandemic response, either intentional or unintentional, knock yourself out.
Yes, it's information, but I also see it as an easy way out. His name is Payton Gendron - if his name were Mohammed Ahmed - he would not get the same courtesies.

The formula is there - and this goes for any extreme group - you create a message that resonates with someone, so they have a sense of identity, and a sense of belonging. And part of that sense of belonging is based on a premise that there are factors or groups that are out to destroy your sense of identity.

Frankly, Charlie Manson, Adolf HItler and Jim Jones, among others, were masters at this. Edit - they prey on the weak minded. Which is not the same thing as having mental issues.

I do agree that there were, and still are, consequences of the pandemic. Everyone had to deal with it. Not all like this.
 
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Yes, it's information, but I also see it as an easy way out. His name is Payton Gendron - if his name were Mohammed Ahmed - he would not get the same courtesies.

The formula is there - and this goes for any extreme group - you create a message that resonates with someone, so they have a sense of identity, and a sense of belonging. And part of that sense of belonging is based on a premise that there are factors or groups that are out to destroy your sense of identity.

Frankly, Charlie Manson, Adolf HItler and Jim Jones, among others, were masters at this. Edit - they prey on the weak minded. Which is not the same thing as having mental issues.

I do agree that there were, and still are, consequences of the pandemic. Everyone had to deal with it. Not all like this.
Spot on. A common trait of social and political extremists and manipulators is a focus on external villains that are the source of all problems. If one creates a "good" us, that "good" is amplified by creating an "evil" them. From there, one receives a purpose - "defending" the good us by destroying the evil them. It may not start out that way, but sooner or later the thought process leads to the same thing - a list of victims' names.
 
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Spot on. A common trait of social and political extremists and manipulators is a focus on external villains that are the source of all problems. If one creates a "good" us, that is "good' amplified by creating an "evil" them. From there, one receives a purpose - "defending" the good by destroying the evil them. It may not start out that way, but sooner or later the thought process leads to the same thing - a list of victims' names.

You couldn't have described what is happening in this country today any better.
 
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stare what GIF
 

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I most certainly am not giving him a pass, he deserves the chair. His family members noticed a change at the beginning of the pandemic. It's information, whether you agree, disagree, or any other view. If you think you know this crazy stranger, all his motives, how he got there, knock yourself out. If you think there were no consequences to the pandemic response, either intentional or unintentional, knock yourself out.

The point being, it doesn't matter if he changed during the pandemic. Life circumstances change all the time. "Triggers" are everywhere. This is the kind of thing that is only being brought up by those around him to deflect blame from him, specifically ... and by others to deflect blame from actual problem areas, because this is the game that has become fashionable since 2016.
 

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The point being, it doesn't matter if he changed during the pandemic. Life circumstances change all the time. "Triggers" are everywhere. This is the kind of thing that is only being brought up by those around him to deflect blame from him, specifically ... and by others to deflect blame from actual problem areas, because this is the game that has become fashionable since 2016.

What's so special about 2016? You think law enforcement isn't looking at this kid's entire life trying to understand why he did what he did?
 

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The point being, it doesn't matter if he changed during the pandemic. Life circumstances change all the time. "Triggers" are everywhere. This is the kind of thing that is only being brought up by those around him to deflect blame from him, specifically ... and by others to deflect blame from actual problem areas, because this is the game that has become fashionable since 2016.
Agree. I would only differ in that I think excuses for bad behavior as a means to deflect blame was fashionable long before 2016.
 

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Agree. I would only differ in that I think excuses for bad behavior as a means to deflect blame was fashionable long before 2016.
In general, obviously, that's true. What I was referencing was a certain phenomenon in a certain sphere of our lives by a certain group of people. And I'll just leave it at that.
 

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In general, obviously, that's true. What I was referencing was a certain phenomenon in a certain sphere of our lives by a certain group of people. And I'll just leave it at that.

Flying spaghetti monsters?
 

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They're saying he picked out the location based on the zip code with the highest African American population, and scoped it out for several months.
 

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They're saying he picked out the location based on the zip code with the highest African American population, and scoped it out for several months.
there will still be those who will defend him- or deny that it even happened
 

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Here are definite possibilities in regards to his mental illness. If one looks at many of the family pics that were online, he appeared to be a very dour young man

antisocial, psychopathic, narcissistic or paranoid personality disorder.
 

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So, NY has a red flag law and didn't use it, he went online 30 minutes before starting and detailed his plans in great detail in a chat, he was an environmentalist, and he was familiar with left wing politicians talking about overruning the country.
 

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Now they I have your attention tell me if you think this is an insensitive, dumb or bad joke:

I heard Madison Cawthorn lost his seat.
No he didn’t -he wheels it around with him wherever he goes. 🤔
 

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So, NY has a red flag law and didn't use it, he went online 30 minutes before starting and detailed his plans in great detail in a chat, he was an environmentalist, and he was familiar with left wing politicians talking about overruning the country.
what in hell are you talking about?
 
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Now they I have your attention tell me if you think this is an insensitive, dumb or bad joke:

I heard Madison Cawthorn lost his seat.
No he didn’t -he wheels it around with him wherever he goes. 🤔
Sure it's insensitive. The funniest stuff usually is.
 

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Now they I have your attention tell me if you think this is an insensitive, dumb or bad joke:

I heard Madison Cawthorn lost his seat.
No he didn’t -he wheels it around with him wherever he goes. 🤔

I know who you're referring to and some of the controversy around him, but I don't know what the joke refers to. Sorry.
 

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So, NY has a red flag law and didn't use it, he went online 30 minutes before starting and detailed his plans in great detail in a chat, he was an environmentalist, and he was familiar with right wing "news entertainers" talking about a BS conspiracy theory of the left overruning the country. Those words were uttered HUNDREDES of times by these same night time news "entertainers".

FIFY....you're welcome.
 
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FIFY....you're welcome.

You can decide for yourself how important the information is, but are you really trying to say left wing politicians never said it? Look, people can decide how important this detail is, but to deny it? Me personally, I don't think they're an excuse, but they still happened, and however the shooter got ahold of them, they feature rather prominently in his manifesto.
 

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You can decide for yourself how important the information is, but are you really trying to say the right wing news organizations didn't say the conspiracy theory over 400 times? Look, people can decide how important this detail is, but to deny it? You really cannot deny it as it was said nightly to spin up idiots like this racist POS. You know like the people who wanted to use the pandemic as an excuse.
I corrected it again...no problem at all. I'll stop though as it's clear that some people are fine with the gaslighting. Best to place those people on ignore as they don't like the reality of what is going on so they'll blame others or a pandemic as it's just more convenient than dealing with it.



 
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I corrected it again...no problem at all. I'll stop though as it's clear that some people are fine with the gaslighting. Best to place those people on ignore as they don't like the reality of what is going on so they'll blame others or a pandemic as it's just more convenient than dealing with it.




If that makes you feel better. I first remember Obama stating this more than 10 years ago.
 

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You know, at times like this, and with subject matters like this, I miss the days of the old board, when guys like Mt.Nittany would want to light it up in a fierce battle of wills and belief systems.
 
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LaJollaCreek

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You know, at times like this, and with subject matters like this, I miss the days of the old board, when guys like Mt.Nittany would want to light it up in a fierce battle of wills and belief systems.

I don't know if I would go that far....but I'm sure the Test board is firing still. Lots of minds being changed there daily for over a decade now.

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