Precisely, maybe then, these parents would be more observant, and feel more responsible for their kid’s behavior. Parents have to be made culpable to a certain extent.
Mass shooting in Buffalo - ten dead
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What's the end game here for the race war? Separate countries? Kill everyone not of the same ethnicity (and their enablers)? Or enslave them? Set up a government, get on with life? I mean, are schools, churches, grocery stores, and clubs the battleground for this? I guess it's all in the manifesto.....
These manifestos are a joke. It’s just a bunch of depressed losers blaming others for their miserable lives.
The failure of the mental health system adds to this tragedy. NYSOMH is geared towards getting folks out of inpatient services as soon as possible. This young man was inpatient for 1.5 days post threats of shooting in a school as well as reports of him wearing a Hazmat suit to school for one week. Outpatient therapy may have been recommended but was it followed up on? Was he prescribed medications? How were his parents monitoring him? I was an adjunct instructor at Broome Community College. He was enrolled there in fall, was he displaying odd behavior in the classroom? Too
many unanswered questions in this tragedy. He is at the age where schizophrenic/schizo-affective symptoms start to show. Delusions of persecution/paranoia, etc are fertile ground for weird online conspiracy bs to take root. All just questions I have at this point in time and no answers. Really disturbing times we are living in.
many unanswered questions in this tragedy. He is at the age where schizophrenic/schizo-affective symptoms start to show. Delusions of persecution/paranoia, etc are fertile ground for weird online conspiracy bs to take root. All just questions I have at this point in time and no answers. Really disturbing times we are living in.
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I thought that was what this board was for
At the risk of oversimplification, but fortunately keeping from the political I hope, the main issue we face in this country stems from success in making comfortable lives for the majority of us. Frankly we don’t have as much to work for as we did 2-3 generations ago so we go looking for problems. An extreme manifestation of this is the sports star or entertainer that made $100MM, engaging in destructive behaviors because they could effectively have anything, but ran out of things to strive for. Too many are bored out of their skulls because they have enough.
There's a lot of rhetoric going on in this country which really does beg the question what are the goals of these people. Kids where my sister teaches are running around calling each other racists, and doing so with impunity given the schools aren't kicking anyone out these days. This is all learned behavior, and it's not hard to figure out where it's coming from. You're right, the question is why.
I think you and your sister are both full of crap.
Didn't this all start with the old school nut job Charles Manson?https://www.theroot.com/charles-mansons-race-war-explained-1820607360
Yeah, you have to learn to ignore those with anecdotal evidence when you know there is an agenda behind it and you know where it is coming from. We know where some of the really bad learned behavior is coming from with mass murders like this one, but we cannot do much about it sadly.
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Yep the old Helter Skelter. I had a student several years ago who was a relative of Sharon Tate and man he had some hatred towards Charlie.
No idea. Not sure those that engage in these things really have a defined answer either.
Althiugh fear of losing economic strength is probably part of it.
I think I understand why. I wonder if Sir Anthony Hopkins didn't study Manson, In addition to Ed Gein, to prep for his role in Silence of the Lambs.
This guy wasn't around by then, thankfully, but he may have been the worst of them all. Stephen King and Peter Straub based one of their characters in Black House off of him...Yikes....
Albert Fish - Wikipedia
This is from the IMDB Trivia page for The Silence of the Lambs:
After working with former FBI agent John Douglas for some time, Scott Glenn thanked him and said how fascinating it was to have been allowed into his world. Douglas laughed and told Glenn that if he really wanted to get into his world, he should listen to an audio tape of serial killers Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris torturing, raping, and murdering two teenage girls. Glenn listened to less than one minute of the tape, and has since said that he feels he lost a sense of innocence in doing so, and that he has never been able to forget what he heard.
After working with former FBI agent John Douglas for some time, Scott Glenn thanked him and said how fascinating it was to have been allowed into his world. Douglas laughed and told Glenn that if he really wanted to get into his world, he should listen to an audio tape of serial killers Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris torturing, raping, and murdering two teenage girls. Glenn listened to less than one minute of the tape, and has since said that he feels he lost a sense of innocence in doing so, and that he has never been able to forget what he heard.
I cannot buy in to this as a generalization that parents bear responsibilities for their kids actions. In this case I’d still want to evaluate and know more facts of the parent-child relationship before condemning them
I hadn't heard this one before, although I must admit that reading the length of that manifesto did make me wonder when he found the time to write that thing, especially for an 18 year old. If you haven't read it yet, it is really long.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Shooter's family:Suspect snapped because of isolation during pandemic
Friends and relatives of the Gendron family say they never saw any warning signs that Payton Gendron, 18, was about to snap. Cousins suggested the pandemic is to blame.
The Buffalo shooting suspect apparently posted a manifesto citing 'Great Replacement' theory
The manifesto includes dozens of pages of antisemitic and racist memes, repeatedly citing the racist “great replacement” conspiracy theory frequently pushed by white supremacists.
www.nbcnews.com
In the manifesto, Gendron claims that he was radicalized on 4chan while he was “bored” at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic in early 2020. So it wasn't really the pandemic, it was a hate site the fueled this.
The Buffalo shooting suspect apparently posted a manifesto citing 'Great Replacement' theory
The manifesto includes dozens of pages of antisemitic and racist memes, repeatedly citing the racist “great replacement” conspiracy theory frequently pushed by white supremacists.
In the manifesto, Gendron claims that he was radicalized on 4chan while he was “bored” at the beginning of the coronavirus pandemic in early 2020. So it wasn't really the pandemic, it was a hate site the fueled this.
Well that is certainly one way to look at it. The other is he suddenly had all that free time on his hands. Just an absolute terrible combination with his mental illness, the sudden and massive amount of time he had at such a critical developmental moment, the missed warning signs, etc etc.
Has mental illness been proven in this case?? Maybe the guy is simply a shizhead prone to murder.
Wow so he was so mentally ill that he couldn't tell what hate sites were and his parents did nothing to monitor his online activity knowing how "mentally ill" he was. That is an interesting take, maybe all criminals the last 2 years can claim mental illness due to a pandemic. Do terrorist get to play this card now after they pull mass murders or is it only "kids" from suburbia?
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They did take him for an evaluation after he spewed hate in school so there is a history there, but getting radicalized online isn't a free pass. His lawyers are going to paint him out to be the victim here as well as some others....just watch.
The kids from suburbia ARE terrorists. No reason to split the difference.
Kind of like this one?
Victims of Eric Matthew Frein seek father's psychological records
Attorneys for two victims of convicted cop killer Eric Matthew Frein want to review his father’s psychological records they contend may show he exerted undue influence that helped turn his
He had free time on his hands?
1. Could have learned a new, non violent skill.
2. Could have taken some online classes.
3. Could have gotten a job.
4. Could have gone for a lot of walks in that beautiful upstate New York area.
He had to be attracted to these websites for a reason - and the message they send clearly spoke to him on a deeper level. This guy was leaning this way before he went off the deep end. All he needed was a push - and the websites gave it to him.
And now, certain politicos and others in the MSM are supporting his position. So, that means someone else who is leaning this way will soon get the push they need.
This makes a lot of sense. I mean, there is f*ck all to do in Afghanistan. No wonder they're constantly wanting to blow things up and kill people.
I most certainly am not giving him a pass, he deserves the chair. His family members noticed a change at the beginning of the pandemic. It's information, whether you agree, disagree, or any other view. If you think you know this crazy stranger, all his motives, how he got there, knock yourself out. If you think there were no consequences to the pandemic response, either intentional or unintentional, knock yourself out.
Agree!
At 18 years old, you can join any branch of the service. You can then be sent to go fight in a war anywhere in the world. To blame the parents NOW is ridiculous.
I just thought your post bordered on rambling incoherence, and you're a much better poster than that.
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