Mississippi towns (such as Starkville) and integration

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The Chris Jans thread and the apparent dislike for Starkville got me thinking. I love Mississippi and State, but there are some towns that I would not want to live in, including in Alabama, but I have noticed that the towns that are nicer are more integrated racially, while others that are not seem to suffer. I have different theories about this, including the consequences of historic racism, but I would love to know your thoughts?
 

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I think there’s some truth to it. Ultimately, a region’s economic success comes down to natural resources and human capital. In MS, we’re limited on a natural resources and 1/2 of the population is generally trying to **** in the other 1/2. It doesn’t help.
 

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The Chris Jans thread and the apparent dislike for Starkville got me thinking. I love Mississippi and State, but there are some towns that I would not want to live in, including in Alabama, but I have noticed that the towns that are nicer are more integrated racially, while others that are not seem to suffer. I have different theories about this, including the consequences of historic racism, but I would love to know your thoughts?
The difference between the coast and Central MS is so striking that it can't be ignored. Was it that the coast never really lost jobs like the others did (probably), education, much less drug trafficking, what? Also, while I wouldn't call them integrated, there's much more of a lack of "the ghetto" than elsewhere (though they sadly are making up ground in some spots, and Moss Point seems as bad as anywhere).
 

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The difference between the coast and Central MS is so striking that it can't be ignored. Was it that the coast never really lost jobs like the others did (probably), education, much less drug trafficking, what? Also, while I wouldn't call them integrated, there's much more of a lack of "the ghetto" than elsewhere (though they sadly are making up ground in some spots, and Moss Point seems as bad as anywhere).
Probably not a coincidence that you see very few, if any, segregation private schools on the coast.
 

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The Chris Jans thread and the apparent dislike for Starkville got me thinking. I love Mississippi and State, but there are some towns that I would not want to live in, including in Alabama, but I have noticed that the towns that are nicer are more integrated racially, while others that are not seem to suffer. I have different theories about this, including the consequences of historic racism, but I would love to know your thoughts?

Diversity - in all its forms - is very key to economic prosperity. And it’s not just about demographics.

This is why the Coast is slightly different. It has attracted a greater diversity of people because of the fact that it is a “coast.”

Central Mississippi is like being in the Midwest. It’s called a “flyover” for a reason.
 

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Diversity - in all its forms - is very key to economic prosperity. And it’s not just about demographics.

This is why the Coast is slightly different. It has attracted a greater diversity of people because of the fact that it is a “coast.”

Central Mississippi is like being in the Midwest. It’s called a “flyover” for a reason.
How does diversity create economic strength ? Unless you consider outside investment diversity ? Outside economic factors such as interest rates, inflation, unemployment and primarily domestic manufacturing -not off shoring jobs , creates economic strength.

I guess I’m not sure what you are getting at, racial diversity is not by itself any economic boon for our country, if it was Biden’s hordes of illegals would be putting more money in our pockets. instead it’s a massive drain on resources.
 

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How does diversity create economic strength ? Unless you consider outside investment diversity ? Outside economic factors such as interest rates, inflation, unemployment and primarily domestic manufacturing -not off shoring jobs , creates economic strength.

I guess I’m not sure what you are getting at, racial diversity is not by itself any economic boon for our country, if it was Biden’s hordes of illegals would be putting more money in our pockets. instead it’s a massive drain on resources.

I’m not advocating for immigration or making any political stances. Not even suggesting an economic solution.

All I am saying is diversity is a way to tap into different perspectives which leads to improvements and innovations.

Seems to me that a large part of this country’s advantages and strengths was built as a result of it being a “melting pot”
 

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How does diversity create economic strength ? Unless you consider outside investment diversity ? Outside economic factors such as interest rates, inflation, unemployment and primarily domestic manufacturing -not off shoring jobs , creates economic strength.

I guess I’m not sure what you are getting at, racial diversity is not by itself any economic boon for our country, if it was Biden’s hordes of illegals would be putting more money in our pockets. instead it’s a massive drain on resources.
Diversity for the sake of claiming diversity is largely worthless.
Diversity as a strategy to bring new ideas and solutions to market is invaluable.


History has shown how economically beneficial diversity(racial, cultural, gender, religious, etc) has been to the US.
It's been documented, studied, and discussed many times.
 

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Diversity for the sake of claiming diversity is largely worthless.
Diversity as a strategy to bring new ideas and solutions to market is invaluable.


History has shown how economically beneficial diversity(racial, cultural, gender, religious, etc) has been to the US.
It's been documented, studied, and discussed many times.
What has been so beneficial for the US, and we are getting farther and farther away from it, is the idea of E pluribus unum.
 

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Diversity for the sake of claiming diversity is largely worthless.
Diversity as a strategy to bring new ideas and solutions to market is invaluable.


History has shown how economically beneficial diversity(racial, cultural, gender, religious, etc) has been to the US.
It's been documented, studied, and discussed many times.

Thank you — better worded than my response
 
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but I have noticed that the towns that are nicer are more integrated racially, while others that are not seem to suffer. I
Name these towns which you have noticed are nicer. I'd like to see the research.
 
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Diversity for the sake of claiming diversity is largely worthless.
Diversity as a strategy to bring new ideas and solutions to market is invaluable.


History has shown how economically beneficial diversity(racial, cultural, gender, religious, etc) has been to the US.
It's been documented, studied, and discussed many times.
You mean the melting pot idea cook up something good?
 

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So the towns specifically that seemed to do a better job of integrating that seem to have a nice place to raise a family, maybe thriving are Tupelo, Amory, Fulton, and Booneville, and in the black belt of Alabama where segregation and poverty seem to go hand in hand are Demopolis, and Thomasville, but the towns with a lot of segregation seem to do poorly. Just my observation.
 

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The Chris Jans thread and the apparent dislike for Starkville got me thinking. I love Mississippi and State, but there are some towns that I would not want to live in, including in Alabama, but I have noticed that the towns that are nicer are more integrated racially, while others that are not seem to suffer. I have different theories about this, including the consequences of historic racism, but I would love to know your thoughts?
Look at the towns who work really hard at creating good public schools. Tupelo, Clinton, Oak Grove, Ocean Springs. They are doing really well. Towns that don’t put the effort and have two tiers of schools - schools founded as segregation schools and public schools aren't going to be attractive to outside companies who want to set up shop. Those towns are withering and dying.
 
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The difference between the coast and Central MS is so striking that it can't be ignored. Was it that the coast never really lost jobs like the others did (probably), education, much less drug trafficking, what? Also, while I wouldn't call them integrated, there's much more of a lack of "the ghetto" than elsewhere (though they sadly are making up ground in some spots, and Moss Point seems as bad as anywhere).
I don’t know what your experience is with the coast, but it’s different than mine. I grew up a few blocks away from seuer city in Gulfport and disagree about the lack of ghetto’s. Pronounced ‘sewer’ city proudly by the locals, where prostitutes and drug dealers would operate in public. The ghettos are there but are small and stick to their boundaries. Most of the older folks in seuer city wouldn’t dare cross 22nd street, but me and the kids my age on both sides use to hang out and cross over a lot. Made some good friends in those days.
 

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So the towns specifically that seemed to do a better job of integrating that seem to have a nice place to raise a family, maybe thriving are Tupelo, Amory, Fulton, and Booneville, and in the black belt of Alabama where segregation and poverty seem to go hand in hand are Demopolis, and Thomasville, but the towns with a lot of segregation seem to do poorly. Just my observation.
I know very little about Demopolis and Thomasville other than their location.

Looks both amory and Aberdeen integrated at the same time.


Amory is the better town. Or was in the 80s and 90s. I rode through Aberdeen recently.... looks terrible.

Tupelo and Columbus schools both integrated in 1971. Tupelo is a better town because of better leadership and citizens. Columbus is lesser because of good people moving off and current citizens.
 
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I know very little about Demopolis and Thomasville other than their location.

Looks both amory and Aberdeen integrated at the same time.


Amory is the better town. Or was in the 80s and 90s. I rode through Aberdeen recently.... looks terrible.

Tupelo and Columbus schools both integrated in 1971. Tupelo is a better town because of better leadership and citizens. Columbus is lesser because of good people moving off and current citizens.


It is worthwhile to look at the history of places to understand why they are the way they are.

Amory was a railroad town literally created by railroad companies after the Civil War. Aberdeen was a major port on the Tombigbee built on cotton.

Tupelo and Columbus have similar stories.
 
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Look at the towns who work really hard at creating good public schools. Tupelo, Clinton, Oak Grove, Ocean Springs. They are doing really well. Towns that don’t put the effort and have two tiers of schools - schools founded as segregation schools and public schools are going to be attractive to outside companies who want to set up shop. Those towns are withering and dying.
Schools are only as good as the citizens who send their kids there. Good or bad schools are not a reason towns are good or bad, they are a result of it.
 

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I’ve lived on the coast a good while now. Some things I’ve noticed that make it different are the job opportunities. There’s the state’s largest employer in HII. There’s also other smaller shipyards scattered from Pascagoula to Gulfport. There’s also the seafood industry and plenty of coastline for casinos. 2 of those 3 can’t exist anywhere else in the state. A decent job can always be found down here. Can the same be said for the rest of the state? I don’t believe so.

People from Ocean Springs or even just short timers that have an association with the place are quite prideful about it. Madison is about the only other city I’ve heard people be as prideful about in the state.

For small towns, such as Starkville, which might not be small for the case of the OP’s point, what keeps them going? Is there any industry that keeps it going other than being a college town? What is there to keep all the other small towns in the state growing and prospering? A lot of places, you have to drive 20-30 miles just to get groceries.

The biggest problem with “improvements” in industry is that generally it’s always done to increase profits and likely reduces the workforce. Automation and larger more sophisticated equipment just means there’s less people working. If that’s what happens, are improvements really improvements if it takes a job from somebody to improve the bottom line for the owner or shareholders?

Are there actually “segregation” schools throughout the state? My experience was if you paid tuition and made the grades, you could stay regardless of your racial makeup. Do some consider JA, Prep, MRA, among others as “segregation private schools”?

I’m aware of many families here who send their kids to Catholic schools that aren’t white or Catholic. Not sure where the segregation part comes into play.


This is an overall interesting topic other than the fact that race was a driver in the topic. Thanks for all the wisdom y’all share. Keep it coming.
 

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I’ve lived on the coast a good while now. Some things I’ve noticed that make it different are the job opportunities. There’s the state’s largest employer in HII. There’s also other smaller shipyards scattered from Pascagoula to Gulfport. There’s also the seafood industry and plenty of coastline for casinos. 2 of those 3 can’t exist anywhere else in the state. A decent job can always be found down here. Can the same be said for the rest of the state? I don’t believe so.
Jackson Metro and Desoto County i.e. Memphis are solid employers. Golden Triangle, Tupelo and the Hattiesburg areas are as well, as far as smaller areas.

For small towns, such as Starkville, which might not be small for the case of the OP’s point, what keeps them going? Is there any industry that keeps it going other than being a college town? What is there to keep all the other small towns in the state growing and prospering? A lot of places, you have to drive 20-30 miles just to get groceries.
The Golden Triangle????

I realize your point may be about small towns and not Starkville, but you've kinda got it classified the wrong way. Starkville isn't Waynesboro. But as far as what keeps small towns going, well, usually a core group of companies/businesses. And they don't all keep going, they grow or they wither up. And this whole deal about supporting the public schools or this/that is largely a small town MS survival strategy since most places that's a non-issue because there's real growth. Take care of the economy and the schools will take care of themselves.

Are there actually “segregation” schools throughout the state? My experience was if you paid tuition and made the grades, you could stay regardless of your racial makeup. Do some consider JA, Prep, MRA, among others as “segregation private schools”?
A good many of them may have started that way, but none still exist in that posture.
 

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Jackson Metro and Desoto County i.e. Memphis are solid employers. Golden Triangle, Tupelo and the Hattiesburg areas are as well, as far as smaller areas.


The Golden Triangle????

I realize your point may be about small towns and not Starkville, but you've kinda got it classified the wrong way. Starkville isn't Waynesboro. But as far as what keeps small towns going, well, usually a core group of companies/businesses. And they don't all keep going, they grow or they wither up. And this whole deal about supporting the public schools or this/that is largely a small town MS survival strategy since most places that's a non-issue because there's real growth. Take care of the economy and the schools will take care of themselves.


A good many of them may have started that way, but none still exist in that posture.
I guess I didn’t include the specifics about shipbuilding industry. A federally backed multibillion dollar industry that will never dry up as long as the country exists. That can’t exist anywhere else in the state and it’s not leaving so the coast will always be a draw.

That was basically my point and it was more or less a reply to multiple posts in the thread.

Is the Golden Triangle still “golden” what is special about it? Honest question.
 

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I guess I didn’t include the specifics about shipbuilding industry. A federally backed multibillion dollar industry that will never dry up as long as the country exists. That can’t exist anywhere else in the state and it’s not leaving so the coast will always be a draw.

That was basically my point and it was more or less a reply to multiple posts in the thread.

Is the Golden Triangle still “golden” what is special about it? Honest question.
Of course the Coast is great. No one is stealing that industry. The first thing that needs to go is this competition and status contest between different areas of MS. And I see that now.....a couple folks talking about the ghettos in Gulfport and Moss Point, who obviously don't know what a true ghetto is.

As far as the Golden Triangle....do you not go to Starkville routinely? Have you not seen the improvements or heard of any of the economic development wins there? There's a ton of things in that 3 city area, and of course Starkville has been the biggest benefactor, because that's where everybody wants to live.
 

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I’m not advocating for immigration or making any political stances. Not even suggesting an economic solution.

All I am saying is diversity is a way to tap into different perspectives which leads to improvements and innovations.

Seems to me that a large part of this country’s advantages and strengths was built as a result of it being a “melting pot”
Diversity is over-rated. Are Honda and Kia successful because they're diverse? The market, and choices consumers make, allows for improvements and innovations. I suppose you can say a diverse group of Europeans helped America became a great power and a superpower but that's typically not what "diverse" means. America won WWII with a segregated military. That doesn't mean diversity is always bad. Intellectual diversity seems to be what's most important rather than carefully arranged sets of genitalia and melanin to satisfy some diversity standard. Africa is diverse and so is the Middle East. China is about 98% Han Chinese. Who has had the greatest economic advancements and increased standard of living for their people?
 
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I’ve lived on the coast a good while now. Some things I’ve noticed that make it different are the job opportunities. There’s the state’s largest employer in HII. There’s also other smaller shipyards scattered from Pascagoula to Gulfport. There’s also the seafood industry and plenty of coastline for casinos. 2 of those 3 can’t exist anywhere else in the state. A decent job can always be found down here. Can the same be said for the rest of the state? I don’t believe so.

People from Ocean Springs or even just short timers that have an association with the place are quite prideful about it. Madison is about the only other city I’ve heard people be as prideful about in the state.

For small towns, such as Starkville, which might not be small for the case of the OP’s point, what keeps them going? Is there any industry that keeps it going other than being a college town? What is there to keep all the other small towns in the state growing and prospering? A lot of places, you have to drive 20-30 miles just to get groceries.

The biggest problem with “improvements” in industry is that generally it’s always done to increase profits and likely reduces the workforce. Automation and larger more sophisticated equipment just means there’s less people working. If that’s what happens, are improvements really improvements if it takes a job from somebody to improve the bottom line for the owner or shareholders?

Are there actually “segregation” schools throughout the state? My experience was if you paid tuition and made the grades, you could stay regardless of your racial makeup. Do some consider JA, Prep, MRA, among others as “segregation private schools”?

I’m aware of many families here who send their kids to Catholic schools that aren’t white or Catholic. Not sure where the segregation part comes into play.


This is an overall interesting topic other than the fact that race was a driver in the topic. Thanks for all the wisdom y’all share. Keep it coming.
New Orleans is diverse. Sending your kids to most of those public schools that are diverse is a bad idea.
 
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What The Wtf GIF by Justin

Oak Grove isn't a town
Kias suck!
"The Coast" isn't a town
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Diversity is great! We need it! It is what makes our country great!

Equal Opportunity is also an absolute must!

Trying to creat Equal OUTCOMES because the previous two don't go as planned is blatant reverse racism. The far left cannot play God----and is why our country is falling like the Romans.
not sure this is true. law/order, christian morals/work ethic, and credit/financial is what makes this country an economic powerhouse
 
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