Or Andruw Jones? The guy was one of the best defensive CF of all time with 10 consecutive Gold Gloves, hit 434 HR and had the 3rd best fWAR from 1998-2007. He's being punished because of his mediocre 5 years after leaving Atl which is idiotic.
There is also the thing about Sheffield making intentional throwing errors:
I don't know how I ever missed that. Great player but never was teammate of the year.
Rolen ranks 251st on the all time hit list. Sheffield ranks 71st and also has 200 more HRs than Rolen.
Frank White won eight gold gloves at 2nd base with the Royals. Just about the same amount of hits as Rolen.
I also read that Sheffield’s defensive WAR of -28.6 is the second worst of all time. Now, I don’t know exactly what that means other than he was brutal defensively.
Maybe the writers know more about Jones than we do? There have been some PED rumors linked to him over the years, especially after he fell off a performance cliff after cashing in on a big deal. Maybe once he got his big money he went off the juice?
There are stats and analytics now that they follow more than anything. I played baseball for 10 years and followed it religiously and I still don’t completely understand all the numbers they throw out now as stats.
There's no group of sports writers in the world that hate their sport more than baseball writers. It's absolutely stupid that a bunch of out of shape mostly white guys that never played should be voting on who should be be in the HOF in one of the most culturally diverse sport in the World. Let the former players vote. They know the game. END RANT
Are these the same guys that voted Nebraska #1 in ‘94?
Murphy was probably my favorite non-Reds player from that era. I still have my old Rawlings RBG36 baseball glove with the Dale Murphy signature (I guess we couldn’t find the Paul Householder model at the time). But off of memory, I don’t think he’s a hall of famer despite the back to back MVPs. I think he fell off the cliff pretty quickly.
Apparently, amphetamines are fine to these writers though. They get to judge which illegal drugs help performance and vote them in accordingly. Smh
He had a great 6-year run from ‘82-‘87 that included 2 MVPs, but not really great beyond that. But you know what? Harold Baines is in so there’s no reason Murphy shouldn’t be.
Bowman can use some speed.Sh*t. I didn’t know the writers were abusing amphetamines. They were probably looking for ways to stay up all night studying the obscure stats to cast their vote.
Ah the law of the lowest common denominator in full effect
I don’t know, once the bar is set the bar is set. If Harold Baines is a hall of fame player than players better than him should be in as well.
I don’t know what those numbers mean. Like Black link batting 3. What is that in reference to?
This measurement is directly against the guys you played with and against
I appreciate the explanation, but I still don’t get it.
No problem but lets say we apply to Hockey since you brought it up
I’m not disagreeing with your point. It’s valid, but I also like the exclusiveness of only inducting a few players at a time. To me, it gives the HOF a degree a specialness that would be lost if the floodgates were open and larger induction classes were let in routinely.
Most of them agree with that too. But as was brought up in this thread, none of them consider Harold Baines a Hall of Famer. considering most of them played in the era when Bonds Rodriguez and Clemens played, they all know what was going on then, and they all think that those three should be in.
I’m fine with those guys being left out even though a guy like Clemens was a shoo-in even before the time it is believed he started using PEDs. But I’m not fine with a guy like Baines being in. I can’t imagine anybody ever actually watched Harold Baines play and at any time thought to themselves, “Now there is a hall of famer for ya!”
