I think we are starting to see a pattern here. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the AD that hired them.
Moorhead on the State job...
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All I know is that you can’t tell your customer base ( in this case fans ) to pound sand and kick rocks and expect to keep your job.
This is where he lost me. He looked like a turd on the sidelines. No fire at all.
A good coach would be. That's why he'll be **** canned at Akron after this season. 17 him
The legend of how good Moorehead's first team should have been.....it never stops. That team would have won one more game had Mullen stayed, Florida.
That's why I don't ever care to hear about offensive savants or masterminds. It's usually BS or they are arrogant. One thing I like about Mullen although he was arrogant was that he molded his offense based on the personnel most times. Outside of when he tried to start seniors over better younger player usually always at running back
This, except we don't know who Florida would have hired so maybe Mullen loses that one, too. I do believe Mullen would have been just as unprepared for UK as Moorhead was.
Lack of discipline is what did in Moorhead, because that attitude spread onto the field. The pre snap penalties, wasted timeouts, unnecessary post play nonsense resulting in penalties. That was a disaster.
And his unwillingness, or inability, to adapt to his players' strength. His offense needed the threat of a downfield pass, and we didn't have that. Find a way to use what you have.
The 2018 Auburn game was the anomaly. I don't why that little motion play enabled State to run for 350 yards, but it was beautiful to watch. Moorhead said he finally took his coaching pills....but for some reason he never took them again.
The amazing stat of that game was Auburn went over an hour of real time without taking an offensive snap. Due to a fumbled punt return in the second quarter, State held the ball for the last 8 minutes of the first half, then for the first 8 minutes of the second half. Throw in the halftime, and Auburn's offense was getting rusty. We only scored 10 points in that time, but it was more than enough.
I am certainly not a Dopey Dan apologist, but even I think he would have won at least 10 games in 2018. He would not have gone Air Coryelle in the rain at Lexington, Ky with a back field consisting of Fitz, Williams, and Hill. Considering UF has made some suboptimal hires for much of the last 23 years (Urban being the exception), the Dopester beats Florida with their new head coach. He typically did well against Eddie O, so we would have had a chance with the LSU game.
2019 Mississippi State Season Recap - On3
Yes, I know we still have the bowl, i'll edit based on what happens in coming days/weeks RECAP 5/17/19- Tommy Stevens transfers to State 8/22/19- Tommy Stevens named starter 8/23/19- Tutor Gate announced; Keytoan Thompson announces transfer 8/31/19- Beat ULL 38-28 9/7/19- Beat USM 38-15: Lee...
In case anyone needed a reminder of how big a **** show 2019 was with Moorhead.
I'm not sure who the bigger dumbass is, Moorhead or some of the posters in this thread. That 18 team easily wins a couple more games with Mullen. We dominated that bowl game and lost. Mullen wasn't losing to that KY team and FL either.
It doesn't make sense to argue about hypotheticals, but I just don't believe those wins were a given if Mullen stayed. It's fun to think we could have had 10 wins handed to us, but it also isn't very realistic for an MSU fan to cling to that fantasy.
The 2018 Kentucky team was sneaky good, and Mullen lost to them in the Swamp. I'm not willing to assume Mullen at MSU would easily win any SEC road game.
He would have beaten Kentucky. Even with Moorhead, we marched right down the field on the ground. They could not stop our run game, but we decided to throw it 45 times in the rain.
We would have put up a much more valiant effort against LSU and Alabama.
You don't get 10-2 seasons at MSU very often.
Which is why it's silly to claim 10-2 was a certainty in 2018 if Mullen had stayed. The defense would have had to overcome Grantham's stupid blitzes.
What happened to "2 thumbs pointing back at me" mentality and taking accountability for being a **** coach??? No mention of losing control of the team. Having your starting lb break the orbital socket of your starting qb in bowl practice. Cheater-gate. I know he's very highly regarded in the coaching world but his record speaks for itself at Akron (back to back 2-10 records). Maybe he needs to stick to his self-proclaimed hobby of being a couch potato instead of revising his ****** history as a HC (anywhere) on podcasts.
His story speaks for itself. Don't ask him. Just see for yourself
Without going back to look it up, I'm 99% sure the same thing happened in the ULL game too.
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The 2019 game against Auburn was one of the least ready to play teams you will ever see. We got delay of game on the very first play of the game. Typically the coaches script the entire first drive. Our team most likely knew the first play they were going to run before they even came out of the locker room and we still couldn't get the ball snapped. Then on 4th and 24 from our own 11, when the only call needed is "PUNT", we took another delay of game.
We were down 21-0 with 9 minutes left in the first quarter.
I don't remember the specific game but one home game something happened and Watson was loosing his **** on a ref. He was almost to the numbers on the field and still going when Jackie went out, bear-hugged him from behind, picked him up and carried him back to the sideline with Watson still giving them an ear full all the way back to the sideline.
Joe Moorhead. The players make 2-3 plays each game. State wins 2 more that year.
Kentucky went 10-3 and beat Mullen in the swamp. Florida went 10-3 that year. Those weren't easy games.
Deep thoughts by Farmer Fran.
We ran the ball 28 times for 56 yards. Granted, 3 or 4 of those "runs" were sacks, but Hill and Williams combined for a whopping 36 rushing yards on just 12 carries.
Our one TD drive was a good mix of run and pass, with most of the yardage coming through the air.
We didn't "march right down the field on the ground" at any point in the game. With Fitz only completing 50% of his passes, sticking with a run/pass mix probably was not the best strategy, but there is no evidence that going run heavy would have won the game.
A Mullen-coached MSU squad would have run the ball better and more often. There is no way to know if that would have changed the outcome, and there is no sense insisting would have.
Btw, Moorhead is 4-20 in his two seasons at Akron. Only 2 of those wins are FBS.
They have without question been among the 3 or 4 worst FBS teams in the country his entire tenure.
He is a 7 TD underdog to OSU.
I'm sure of 3 things...
- He is a horrible HC at the FBS level.
- For this reason, I could not care any less about his opinion on anything he thinks he "accomplished" at MSU.
- Akron gives zero 17's about their football program.
They have without question been among the 3 or 4 worst FBS teams in the country his entire tenure.
He is a 7 TD underdog to OSU.
I'm sure of 3 things...
- He is a horrible HC at the FBS level.
- For this reason, I could not care any less about his opinion on anything he thinks he "accomplished" at MSU.
- Akron gives zero 17's about their football program.
I think it would have been 2 more. Florida & Kentucky. But agree with your overall thought.
I always liked Joe as a person, but the fact that he took the ‘18 team to its absolute floor level of expectations wasn’t even the worst part.
He followed that up with a completely dysfunctional team that was staring 5-7 in the face until OM literally gave that game away with the infamous piss and miss. All this while his QB was playing with a black eye that his teammate gave him, and then JoMo had the 17n audacity to go on a post game tirade against the fanbase as if it was his brilliant coaching that had won the game
If there’s anyone revising history, it’s him and him alone
He followed that up with a completely dysfunctional team that was staring 5-7 in the face until OM literally gave that game away with the infamous piss and miss. All this while his QB was playing with a black eye that his teammate gave him, and then JoMo had the 17n audacity to go on a post game tirade against the fanbase as if it was his brilliant coaching that had won the game
If there’s anyone revising history, it’s him and him alone
Mullen OWNED UK. He wouldn’t have had Nick Fitzgerald throwing the ball 30+ times against them. He would have rammed it down their throats. He also wouldn’t have left their DE, Allen, to feast on our LT by himself.
The total package was underwhelming. It wasn’t one specific thing — could tell the words in his “script” didn’t match what MSU needed at the time.
My recollection of his hire was that MSU was a victims of poor timing when looking for a coach.
That doesn't mean State wins the game, though. I mean, maybe, but we'll never know. Mullen lost at UK in 2016, and he lost to UK in The Swamp in 2018. Who knows what happens in the fantasy land of Mullen staying for the 2018 season?
I know we are all spoiled as State fans, but SOMETIMES, a State athletic team will fail to live up to your lofty expectations. When that happens, you can certainly blame the head coach, since he is responsible for everything that happens on the team.
But you should also question whether your expectations were realistic to begin with.
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