IMO, herein lies the main problem and even if you have a way to legislate and/or police under the table-back door deals, they’ll still be prevalent.
New NCAA proposal
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Gotta be a way to get out of title 9. NBA and wnba aren’t paid the same.
yes I get they aren’t the same organization which is my point.
how do you separate ncaa football from the ncaa and pay them through bdc and nil without title 9 involved?
Yeah but let’s not pay everyone the same bc it’s “fair”.SEC money distribution for each school in 2021-22: $49.9 large.
We’re in.
SEC Announces 2021-22 revenue distribution - Southeastern Conference
Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey announces that $721.8 million of total revenue was divided among the SEC's 14 universities for the 2021-22 fiscal year.www.secsports.com
bc fair would be football made x percentage so they get x percent of revenue, etc.
Title 9 governs educational institutions.
^ Clearly doesnt know what Title9 is or what it does and doesnt apply to.
A lot of folks don’t.
Goat’s thread yesterday covers the same area as this one and I’d mentioned then that the NCAA’s best way to go was to make an offer kind of like what they’ve done today…
(I went with the employee route which looks a bit different than this… but my primary point then remains the same— the NCAA and its universities aren’t going to be able to use education and amateurism to yoke the students to servitude any more…)
So, it looks like those schools in the new subdivision (which I assume are those having trouble getting NIL donations, like MSU, that approach those of blue blood schools) would be able to directly pay athletes. I could have sworn that when NIL was approved, it was so athletes could make a little money off signing autographs, selling tee shirts, or other small things like that, and NOT getting paid outlandish sums to go to a certain school. Apparently I was wrong.
If this proposal passes, the schools might as well just give up on the student part of student-athlete, stop giving scholarships, not require any classes, and just have a minor league professional team representing the university.
If this proposal passes, the schools might as well just give up on the student part of student-athlete, stop giving scholarships, not require any classes, and just have a minor league professional team representing the university.
Would this allow the universities to sign multi-year NIL deals that essentially have buyout clauses which would allow the governance of the transfer portal?
Black market was always there, and the NIL collectives just brought that to the surface. The good news is, it'll give us the ability to use the TV money for the players, so the boosters don't have to assume that anymore. Boosters can start using their money to donate to the school again, or paying for seats, etc.
I personally think that's what this is about. The big chunk of money that is the elephant in the room is the TV money. Secondly, the huge coaching salaries. Those are the issues. People look at those in conjunction with the players complaining and say, "Hey that's not right", which usually signals that an adjustment is needed.
They should institute a salary cap of 20% the average TV revenue all schools in division 1 brings in through the conference. Make the power 5 the only division 1 teams and make everyone else the new division 2, 3, 4 and so forth.
That way it naturally will form evenly matched teams with the talent available. You can spend up to 150% that amount in one single year, but over 4 years you have to average the 100% amount. That way, teams can have the capital to rebuild when they need to.
End the free transfer rules beyond the first transfer. No grad transfer loop hole. 1 free transfer, everything else you have to sit out. You have 5 years eligibility with no redshirt, medical possible if you play less than 6 games in a year.
Done and done.
That way it naturally will form evenly matched teams with the talent available. You can spend up to 150% that amount in one single year, but over 4 years you have to average the 100% amount. That way, teams can have the capital to rebuild when they need to.
End the free transfer rules beyond the first transfer. No grad transfer loop hole. 1 free transfer, everything else you have to sit out. You have 5 years eligibility with no redshirt, medical possible if you play less than 6 games in a year.
Done and done.
That would not solve anything bc you would still have NIL and the portal. Just get rid of the portal. Allowing kids to reset their NIL bargaining power is so bad. And I think would make all of this more palatable….and require no federal action.
I’m not a title 9 expert by any means.
but the point I’m making is you can separate ncaa football from title 9 somehow.
The point I’m making is how does it seem fair or right or sane or sensible to pay football players the same as women’s basketball and soccer?
It isn’t just or fair or business savvy or anything logical.
You might not call it ncaa football
but you can certainly take what is existing as ncaa football and turn it into something else
nil and the discussion of paying players is evidence of that
I mean people have been talking about a “power conference” or “league” for several years now
It’s logical, just, and fair in the sense that it is a current & essential hurdle that has to be addressed.
It can’t be ignored.
I’ll grant you that it’s not business savvy.
But we’re not talking about businesses here— these are all universities who have to deal with Title IX.
What I suspect might happen is that every student-athlete will have base salaries… there may likely be bonuses that will have to be individually obtained and negotiated.
Only way to do that is to remove football from the NCAA. At that point, it's not about scholarships or education or anything like that, so I'm not really sure that's what anybody wants. I don't know that the people who would be in charge of that truly want to govern it. And those schools may not want to pay for the rest of their sports without football money, and women's sports will end up getting cut because they don't have to match the football scholarships anymore.
So all that to say......I don't think anything will really change. Both lawsuits will be thrown out, the TV money will continue to go to the schools, and the boosters will still have to fund the players. Boosters have been funding players since the 70s, it hasn't stopped yet, so why will it ever? I just hope our school is smart enough to point that TV money towards things that will need it, since we aren't likely to get many booster donations going forward for those things, like facility maintenance, all over campus.
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I think the way around Title IX is to set up the football programs as corporations that lease the name, stadium, etc., from the university. The corporation is paid the TV money and pays for the players scholarships, salary, and any other expenses and coaching salaries. The university gets its cut through the leasing of the naming rights and payments to use the stadium. At that point, the players are like a normal student paying their way through college with a job.
FYI, Ross' lengthy thread linked above on X/Twitter attempts to answer a lot of the questions that have been brought up here
And 30k is the minimum. The ncaa says the trust fund max is unlimited. So we offer players $30k minimum trust fund. Guess who offers them a $60k trust fund? .... everyone else.
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If you remove football from the NCAA, here’s what will happen to MSU…
This is the only point I’m making. It’s possible.
And I’m making the argument this is the only sustainable way. You can’t pay 320 employees the same when 100 ish make all the money for you. (Basketball and football).
If you do that the other employees are eventually going to suffer worse in the long term.
I want whatever is best for msu in the long term and what you just typed is different and outside the box.
You’ve been preaching that pretty hard haven’t you?
I am not sure that is the best for MSU in the long term. But until somebody gets their arms around it all and lays out exactly how it will look, I don't really have an opinion - except that I don't really like all of this change. But I think we all agree on that.
You absolutely can with NIL. Its already separated. Do you think if you put together the NIL revenue of every single female athlete at Texas, that the combined total comes out to even 50% of just the $3 million thats getting paid out to Arch Manning? Hell no.
NIL is athlete specific. They technically aren’t making money off anything but their own identity (of course, we all know thats total BS, but in the legal sense that is exactly what’s happening). Now, anything that is paid out directly by the schools or conferences has to be Title IX compliant. But that’s going to be a very small piece of the pie in the revenue sports. That $30k number is absolute peanuts compared to what the high profile football and basketball players are receiving every year.
No I don’t like the change but I know what won’t work. Socialism.
ETA: I don’t mind the change actually. If the change is smart for college football long term it may help msu. SOME Parity is good for college football long term.
and I don’t mean that politically
but it’s not sustainable to pay equal money to 100% of the employee base when 30% of the base generates the most revenue
IT WONT WORK LONG TERM
And it won't be as funny.If you remove football from the NCAA, here’s what will happen to MSU…
Not agreeing or disagreeing with you in any way....but you're statement highlights an important philosophical point: it IS about change and how to approach it. Very difficult given that MSU is in a state that is highly resistant to change and not very proactive. The tighter one holds onto something, the easier it gets away.
Unfortunately, Pandora's box was opened due to the negligence of the NCAA for years. Total resistance to change can result in what we have today: chaos. Welcome to the New World Order
@Maroon Eagle
Fair enough, but we got a cascade of it in summer 2021, and since then, these lawsuits threaten a lot more. Moving too fast for me.Not agreeing or disagreeing with you in any way....but you're statement highlights an important philosophical point: it IS about change and how to approach it. Very difficult given that MSU is in a state that is highly resistant to change and not very proactive. The tighter one holds onto something, the easier it gets away.
Unfortunately, Pandora's box was opened due to the negligence of the NCAA for years. Total resistance to change can result in what we have today: chaos. Welcome to the New World Order
@Maroon Eagle
I don't disagree with you. The cynical me believes that there is too much money to be lost for this to completely crash and burn. While I don't agree with all the changes that are afoot, college football viewership is as high as its ever been. People complain, but they are still watching,
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