New OC

[LionsAndBears]

I don't want another pass happy OC. Seems like everyone wants to throw it 40 times a game. Running the ball and controlling the game through the running game is still a winning formula, as we saw on Saturday, even if so few see it that way these days.

 

[BobPSU92]

Maybe so, but I wouldn't mind his girlfriend hanging out at my tailgate!

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Holy hell.

 

[Midnighter]

I still like David Shaw. He’s not doing anything, ran a pro style offense for Jim Harbaugh, and had a good bit of success at Stanford for a while. Also knows California recruiting.

 

[Obliviax]

BlackShoe had an interesting long-shot take. Joe Brady, is currently QBs coach at NFLs Buffalo Bills. He is a former PSU grad assistant under Franklin in '15 and '16. he then went off to become LSU's passing game coordinator and WR coach in 2019. Yes, the LSU Natty with both Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase. He then goes to Buffalo to become the QB coach with Josh Allen.

both Burrow and Allen are considered pocket passers. And Allen is the NFL QB most often compared to Allar in terms of skill sets.

I am not sure he's read to make the move to OC but he'd be great in our system at this time. And based on the mess Buffalo has been so far this season, and will probably NOT make the NFL playoffs, he may be an option.

 

[GrimReaper]

I still like David Shaw. He’s not doing anything, ran a pro style offense for Jim Harbaugh, and had a good bit of success at Stanford for a while. Also knows California recruiting.

I like your idea, but Shaw isn't going to get back into coaching in the near future, if ever.

 

[GrimReaper]

BlackShoe had an interesting long-shot take. Joe Brady, is currently QBs coach at NFLs Buffalo Bills. He is a former PSU grad assistant under Franklin in '15 and '16. he then went off to become LSU's passing game coordinator and WR coach in 2019. Yes, the LSU Natty with both Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase. He then goes to Buffalo to become the QB coach with Josh Allen.

both Burrow and Allen are considered pocket passers. And Allen is the NFL QB most often compared to Allar in terms of skill sets.

I am not sure he's read to make the move to OC but he'd be great in our system at this time. And based on the mess Buffalo has been so far this season, and will probably NOT make the NFL playoffs, he may be an option.

Brady also had Justin Jefferson at WR, along with Chase, when Burrow QBed LSU. PSU isn't even close to having those kind of receivers.

Maybe Brady isn't ready to make the move to OC, which is one of the reasons he failed miserably in that role for Carolina.

 

[Bwifan]

Really? Allar was recruited by Yurcich and praised him.

I would not be surprised if Allar does look around at options. The surrounding cast at Penn State is not all that attractive. Who wants to look like a work in progress to the NFL scouts? Lots of dollars are involved. With openings coming up at quarterback at programs like Notre Dame, USC, Oregon, Washington, and maybe Oklahoma, all with quarterback friendly offenses, Allar would be a fool not to look.

He probably should and if I was PSU I would not be all that upset if he did. We have Ethan Grunkemeyer coming in and Pribula already here. Personally I would like to Kingsbury come if he was willing. I am not sure he wants to do another lateral move as OC, he probably wants to go back to HC. Not sure he will get credit wise for USC when most know Riley is making most of the play calls. I would hope that Allar and Grunkemeyer would be enough to convince Kingsbury to jump to PSU assuming JF agree's to stay out of the playcalling for PSU.

 

[Midnighter]

He probably should and if I was PSU I would not be all that upset if he did. We have Ethan Grunkemeyer coming in and Pribula already here. Personally I would like to Kingsbury come if he was willing. I am not sure he wants to do another lateral move as OC, he probably wants to go back to HC. Not sure he will get credit wise for USC when most know Riley is making most of the play calls. I would hope that Allar and Grunkemeyer would be enough to convince Kingsbury to jump to PSU assuming JF agree's to stay out of the playcalling for PSU.

I agree. Unless you bring in an OC who can use Allar's skill set (read: drop back, pro-style), Franklin definitely prefers a dual-threat QB to run a dynamic, big play offense. He's recruited the players to do so, but definitely seems like there was some crossed wires/dysfunction on the offense this year (a lot of which Franklin is responsible for). The WR room is taking a lot of heat/criticism for being unprepared, lazy, etc., but that feels like 'lazy' excuse making. They may just not be very good, which is absolutely stunning, given there are 7 - 4* prospects there.

 

[Bwifan]

I agree. Unless you bring in an OC who can use Allar's skill set (read: drop back, pro-style), Franklin definitely prefers a dual-threat QB to run a dynamic, big play offense. He's recruited the players to do so, but definitely seems like there was some crossed wires/dysfunction on the offense this year (a lot of which Franklin is responsible for). The WR room is taking a lot of heat/criticism for being unprepared, lazy, etc., but that feels like 'lazy' excuse making. They may just not be very good, which is absolutely stunning, given there are 7 - 4* prospects there.

I agree... I have to admit the WR coach when hired was a bit a head scratcher for me. I wanted someone with a little more proven results of developing WRs. I am willing to give him time but I have to admit the WRs are not impressive, especially when factoring as you said 4*. They either missed on recruiting them or missed in developing them either way that falls on the coaching staff. I think Allar would thrive in Kingsbury offensive scheme but JF needs to convince him to come on board.

 

[psuro]

How about we see what J Seider can do given the chance first.

 

[Obliviax]

Reports are that the Buffalo Bills just fired Ken Dorsey as their OC.

 

[Midnighter]

Seider is likely as good as anyone realistically available. Kingsbury, Bradey, etc. aren't coming here. The other issue here is if Seider feels like he's done reasonably well as OC and Franklin doesn't hire him, he probably bolts. Might not be too big of an issue but he's done well for us in Florida.

 

[Bvillebaron]

It might not matter who they get if James doesn't stop micro managing.

And you know this how? Franklin’s reputation is that of being a delegator and perhaps that’s the problem. You think he micro-manages Diaz’s defense? Uh no So
on what basis do you claim he micro-manages the offense?

 

[Bvillebaron]

No JF clearly wants an offense that reads the defense pre snap...there is no gameplan, just call the play that is best suited against that defensive look player personnel be damned then with the play clock sitting at 10 and the defense changes their look.... be dammed

I mean there are endless possibilities of plays when you get a good look at the defense pre snap,, Our guys are so good that they can run any version or any combination of plays even the swinging gate!! because you know the coaches have all this offensive experience they can out think any other coaching staff .....and have coached up the players to execute any and all combinations

Yes sarcasm.

we suffer from Analysis Paralysis plain and simple...Never mind trying the KISS method and actually utilize the personnel and the strengths they have and say maybe do 10-15 plays extremely well despite the defensive look.

Thanks coach

 

[psuro]

Seider is likely as good as anyone realistically available. Kingsbury, Bradey, etc. aren't coming here. The other issue here is if Seider feels like he's done reasonably well as OC and Franklin doesn't hire him, he probably bolts. Might not be too big of an issue but he's done well for us in Florida.

Yeah, I agree with this. I saw a podcast about a "splashy hire", because Manny was a splashy hire. I don't care about that - just get someone who can get the offense to play up to the level in big games most people (including CJF) thinks it can. But, some of that also falls on the shoulders of the individual players. Even with all that, PSU is 15th in the NCAA in scoring offense.

Meanwhile, in Iowa.....

 

[Grant Green]

Maybe Brady isn't ready to make the move to OC, which is one of the reasons he failed miserably in that role for Carolina.

We're about to find out with the Buffalo Bills.

 

[NoSoup4U]

BlackShoe had an interesting long-shot take. Joe Brady, is currently QBs coach at NFLs Buffalo Bills. He is a former PSU grad assistant under Franklin in '15 and '16. he then went off to become LSU's passing game coordinator and WR coach in 2019. Yes, the LSU Natty with both Joe Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase. He then goes to Buffalo to become the QB coach with Josh Allen.

both Burrow and Allen are considered pocket passers. And Allen is the NFL QB most often compared to Allar in terms of skill sets.

I am not sure he's read to make the move to OC but he'd be great in our system at this time. And based on the mess Buffalo has been so far this season, and will probably NOT make the NFL playoffs, he may be an option.

That aged well

 

[LaJollaCreek]

I fear that Joe's quick rise to stardom was largely on the coattails of burrow, chase, and Jefferson.

Valid take as he had a top QB and 2 of the best WR's all on the same team. PSU has nothing like Chase or Jefferson on that roster.....not even close. I'm not opposed to the guy, but you do raise a pretty great point as to maybe he's not that guy.

 

[Midnighter]

Yeah, I agree with this. I saw a podcast about a "splashy hire", because Manny was a splashy hire. I don't care about that - just get someone who can get the offense to play up to the level in big games most people (including CJF) thinks it can. But, some of that also falls on the shoulders of the individual players. Even with all that, PSU is 15th in the NCAA in scoring offense.

Meanwhile, in Iowa.....

My concern is he goes for someone way off radar (like Moorhead) to show how smart he is instead of taking what we have on staff and giving them a shot. Unless it’s an absolute showstopper, I’m willing to give Seider and Howle a shot.

 

[NoSoup4U]

"Two-back, power run, vertical shot" offense. Interest anyone?

here is a dated video 3-4 years but whats interesting he looks at the skill sets of the players and adapts the offense to it

 

[marshall23]

PSU is below his pay grade. Further, Franklin has already been in contact with Moorhead.

Before he called you?

 

[marshall23]

How about we see what J Seider can do given the chance first.

That would make too much sense.

 

[marshall23]

And you know this how? Franklin’s reputation is that of being a delegator and perhaps that’s the problem. You think he micro-manages Diaz’s defense? Uh no So
on what basis do you claim he micro-manages the offense?

Because when something goes well its in spite of Franklin. It's in the BWICAC handbook.

 

[marshall23]

My concern is he goes for someone way off radar (like Moorhead) to show how smart he is instead of taking what we have on staff and giving them a shot. Unless it’s an absolute showstopper, I’m willing to give Seider and Howle a shot.

Perhaps part of the plan. They have a 3 game audition. Danny OBRIEN takes the QBs. Problem is James didn't clear it with the experts here. He likely doesn't know some have been watching football for 40 years.

 

[PSUFTG2]

My concern is he goes for someone way off radar (like Moorhead) to show how smart he is instead of taking what we have on staff and giving them a shot. Unless it’s an absolute showstopper, I’m willing to give Seider and Howle a shot.

That said:
PSU is going to play Rutgers and MSU. What are they going to learn? (The guy who just got thrown under the bus led an offense that led the entire conference in scoring - until they played "can fog a mirror" teams.)

 

[Midnighter]

That said:
PSU is going to play Rutgers and MSU. What are they going to learn? (The guy who just got thrown under the bus led an offense that led the entire conference in scoring - until they played "can fog a mirror" teams.)

 

[s1uggo72]

Reports are that the Buffalo Bills just fired Ken Dorsey as their OC.

if true they fired the wrong guy.

 

[NoSoup4U]

here is a dated video 3-4 years but whats interesting he looks at the skill sets of the players and adapts the offense to it

Grant don;t know if you saw this Biopic one either..but a cool story too

 

[EPC FAN]

Well he did score 7 against scUM

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He also doesn’t talent anywhere close to the Skunks.

 

[NoSoup4U]

He also doesn’t talent anywhere close to the Skunks.

yep his coaching trajectory is quite interesting

love his answer at 18:10 and 24:18




oh and for the Wideout wannabee coaches

 

[Obliviax]

Joe Moorhead's Akron team plays tonight against Eastern Michigan at 7 and is televised on ESPN+ if you get it.

 

[PSUJam]

I don't know if it could ever happen but like to have Whisenhunt back if he'd consider it.

Vanderbilt (1995–1996)
Special teams, tight ends, H-backs coach

Baltimore Ravens (1997–1998)
Tight ends coach

Cleveland Browns (1999)
Tight ends coach

New York Jets (2000)
Special teams coach

Pittsburgh Steelers (2001–2003)
Tight ends coach

Pittsburgh Steelers (2004–2006)
Offensive coordinator

Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012)
Head coach

San Diego Chargers (2013)
Offensive coordinator

Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Head coach

San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers (2016–2019)
Offensive coordinator

Penn State (2021–2022)
Offensive analyst

Alabama (2023–present)
Special assistant to the head coach

 

[BobPSU92]

I don't know if it could ever happen but like to have Wisenhunt back if he'd consider it.

Vanderbilt (1995–1996)
Special teams, tight ends, H-backs coach

Baltimore Ravens (1997–1998)
Tight ends coach

Cleveland Browns (1999)
Tight ends coach

New York Jets (2000)
Special teams coach

Pittsburgh Steelers (2001–2003)
Tight ends coach

Pittsburgh Steelers (2004–2006)
Offensive coordinator

Arizona Cardinals (2007–2012)
Head coach

San Diego Chargers (2013)
Offensive coordinator

Tennessee Titans (2014–2015)
Head coach

San Diego/Los Angeles Chargers (2016–2019)
Offensive coordinator

Penn State (2021–2022)
Offensive analyst

Alabama (2023–present)
Special assistant to the head coach

Nobody beats the Whis.

 

[Grant Green]

Grant don;t know if you saw this Biopic one either..but a cool story too

Started watching this the other day but got distracted. You liking him?

Imagine both Allen and Singleton both in the backfield on the majority of downs.

 

[NoSoup4U]

Started watching this the other day but got distracted. You liking him?

Imagine both Allen and Singleton both in the backfield on the majority of downs.

Yeah I think they can make the first guy miss or run over him

 

[marshall23]

Thing is, Joe would have leverage to tell Jimmy to GFH, if he interfered.

Of course he would. If it wasn't for Frankin, Moorhead would not be a millionaire and might be coaching at Fordham.

 

[TiogaLion]

My concern is he goes for someone way off radar (like Moorhead) to show how smart he is instead of taking what we have on staff and giving them a shot. Unless it’s an absolute showstopper, I’m willing to give Seider and Howle a shot.

You appear to be the only one who realizes that we have co-offensive coordinators.

 

[TiogaLion]

How about a young, African American man from Pittsburgh that runs one of the most dynamic offenses in the country. Educate yourselves on Brennan Marion...

Why did you bring up his race and why should we care what race he is? I'd be willing to bet he doesn't want race to considered.

 

[GrimReaper]

We're about to find out with the Buffalo Bills.

If he turns out to be any good, he ain't coming to PSU.

 

[Grant Green]

Why did you bring up his race and why should we care what race he is? I'd be willing to bet he doesn't want race to considered.

First - RME at your virtue signaling

Second, because it will help with recruiting.