NFL: WTF vs. Giants, Stillers vs. Ravens
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I don't care how it looks. Choose the scenario that gives you a 100pct chance to go to the playoffs.
Im still trying to figure why LAC called that timeout on D with 40 seconds left on a running clock.
I don't know. I think if Staley doesn't call a TO there, the Raiders run the ball into the line and let the clock run out. That's who the Steelers should send the rolex to.
That was one of the craziest finishes I've ever seen.
The integrity of the game has been tarnished in recent years. Tonight some of the luster was restored.
The Glov has to do many good deeds this week.
There were only 4 seconds left on the play clock and the Raiders were going to snap the ball. He wanted to set up his D properly. The TO did nothing to change the Raiders play calling.
According to Derek Carr it did, he said in the post game interview, they changed their play after the Chargers called timeout. With the Raiders coach saying earlier if it came down to it he would take a knee if it meant getting to the playoffs, I wonder if LV was just going to push Carr ahead on 3rd down and let the clock run out?
Literally said postgame by David Carr and the Raiders coach “that timeout changed our whole way of thinking”…..they were going to settle for the tie
Exactly.. Before the TO, The Raiders had Carr in shotgun, it's obvious they were going to slide Carr or take a knee. Why would they at that point try what would have been a 57 yard Fg with a chance of it being blocked and returned. Carr wanted to win the game, but the Raiders coach said before the game he would take a tie if it meant getting to the playoffs. It's obvious he was ok with a tie, but the TO Carr talked him into the Jacobs run.
And as soon as DC said that, he said they were playing to win the game and nothing else. I guess you can take out of his comments whatever your belief is.
He said he was.. But Al Michaels pointed out the Raiders coachsaid he would take a tie. Before the TO, Carr was in shotgun, they weren;t going to throw with a chance of a pick 6, they weren't going to run cause Jacobs at that point was out to his left, they were taking a knee, sliding Carr, and then letting the clock run out.
This is conjecture and absolutely baloney. If you look at their winning drive, it speaks to a different mindset. They were playing to win.
Here is the Raiders winning drive with 4:30 left to play:
Play 1 from own 25- lines up under center, pass for 17 yard gain
Play 2 from own 42- lines up under center, run for 6 yards
Play 3 from own 48- 2nd and 3 lines up in shotgun - pass for loss of 4 - should’ve been face mask called.
Play 4 from own 44- lined up in shotgun- 3rd and 8, balled snapped with 2:24 remaining. Carr throws an unbelievablpass to his left sideline for the 1st down. Great pass but dangerous as hell as the D could’ve jumped it for a pick 6. Collinsworth has an orgasm over the throw.
2 minute warning.
1st and 10 at 45. Lined up under center. Run for 1 yard loss.
2nd down from 48. Lined up in shotgun. Balled snapped with 1:20 left. Run play for 5 yards.
3rd and 4 ball at 39 and clock is running - Raiders with 2 TOs left. Lined up in shotgun. DC is into his cadence with 6 seconds left on play clock, meaning, the Raiders are 100% going to snap the ball from shotgun formation. Staley probably can’t believe what he’s seeing. He’s thinking, “why aren’t they just running out the clock???”, so he calls TO to make sure his D is set.
38 seconds to go. Chris Collinsworth and Al Michael are beside themselves. Why?ecause they are idiots.
Raiders line up again after TO, this time under center. Still 3rd and 4 with 38 seconds left and 2 TOs in pocket. Jacobs runs hard for 12 yards to set up winning FG. The only question I have at this point is why didn’t Staley call his last TO before the FG snap to try to ice the kicker. That and going for it on 4th and 1 from inside his own 20- those were dumb calls.
Boom, Raiders win and get the easier round 1 matchup. They were not looking for the tie.
Carr in post game interview after being asked how the TO shifted strategy. His reply “yah, it definitely did, obviously. Ahh, but we knew, no matter what, we didn’t want a tie, we wanted a win the football game.” Then he goes on about Aaron Rogers and says “my mindset was to make sure we were the only team moving on after this!”
So there it is. When he answered, “yah, it definitely did” about the strategy change, he was referring to the play call being changed after the TO, not whether they’d run the clock out for a tie.
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Watching last night, I thought the Raiders would take a knee to close out the game. I figured they wouldn‘t risk a blocked kick returned for a TD. They showed Stillers fans at the game getting nervous in the final minute. They were thinking the same thing.
So the answer is no. Not convicted!! So no logic. Got it!! Time to move on.
The greatest organization once again in the playoffs. Ben now top 5 with Joe Montana in playoff appearances.
wahhhooooo!!!!
For what it’s worth, there is something on Twitter showing a Chargers player asking a Raiders player, “Were you going to kneel?” “Yes.” Easy, unmistakable lipreading, although it might be out of context. I would link but I can’t link specific tweets.
If the Raiders had tied, they would be playing at Kansas City and SD would be playing at Cincinnati. By winning, LVR is playing Cincinnati, not KC. Who would you rather play in the playoffs, KC or Cincinnati?
Cincy, but I saw a KC team play horrible on Saturday and if it wasn't for a Gordon fumble, they probably lose to Denver. KC is very beatable. Funny, I thought LAC was a good matchup to beat KC. They destroyed them earlier this season.
Two teams that are taking a kne cause they don't wanna play anymore and are ok with a tie is not a fixeed match. They could easily use the injury excuse and the NFL could do nothing.
If the teams threw it from the start, yeah, but kneeing under 2 minutes in OT of a tie game, nothing the NFL could do.
OJ was never convicted, do you think he is innocent? I believe the TWO women.
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Out of 271 games this year , this was the only one mentioning implications of a tie for playoffs, and it was stressed all week and guess what ! it almost ended in a tie on purpose.
LA and LV could have had a pre game hand shake , put in subs and ran the ball and clock to a point of not scoring, taking a dive in the first or 10th round is the same , it's still a dive.
I'm an Eagles fan btw , so i had no skin in this game, i would like a perspective from a hard core Steeler fan on this topic.
Agree. There is no way that anyone watching that game (or at least highlights) could think there was any fix. Well, except for the crazy conspiracy theorist types.
On the other hand, imagine if the situation and the roles were reversed. That is, imagine the Steelers playing the Ratbirds where a tie and they both get in, or one of the two could have ended the other's season with a last second field goal. It is a gurantee that both Pittsburgh and Baltimore would have kicked a FG to knock the other out of the playoffs. There would be no love lost.
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