Right basically comes down to a few things:
If the answer to either one of those is no though, I would do my original take of going all in on basketball. We could win a few nattys in that and that would change opinions. A few of my friends went to Duke and they didn't even know who their football coach was. Never went to a single game while they were students. But camped out sometimes a week or so for a basketball game.
I think we're in very real danger of being left behind if we don't remain competitive in football. We need to do all we can to see that doesn't happen. I used to think if we got left out, Mississippi would too. But with their investment in football recently, they'll be in. We need to be there too.
The worst thing that could happen to us is: Florida, Georiga, Alabama, Auburn, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee, LSU, TxAM to all break away.
Worst in some ways, best in others. It would be a HUGE revenue hit. But we'd be in 2nd tier conference with Big 12 and/or ACC remnants plus a few AAC schools. We'd be a lot more competitive than we are in the SEC.
There was a report a few years ago that stated that even at kentucky and Duke, football brought in more money that basketball.
being average in the best conference to me is being better than being good in a so-so conference. Just my thoughts. Id prefer to not drop down to be more competitive.
Revenue is one thing. Football has more costs than basketball. Now look up profit. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it, but we need to look at the whole picture.
We're not average in the SEC. Even less so when TX & OK are added.
I'd call us average. The blue bloods for sure above us.. below us for sure Vandy, Mizzou--- I mean we've been a steady middle of the pack team for the last 15-20 years. Sure some others have had some higher high's.. but consistant in the middle pack is what we've been.
It depends on the size of the new conference, but I could see State moving ahead of UK, USC, and Ark, not to mention all the Big12 or ACC schools, not named FSU, Clemson, or UNC.
Football even at Kansas and Duke still generates more revenue in football than basketball that’s what we are trying to explain to you. No matter what football drives the train
Again, how much PROFIT does football generate vs how much PROFIT does basketball generate? What I'm telling you is that football costs much more than basketball. Total coaching salaries. Travel costs. Recruiting budgets. All of those play factors into it. I still stand by Duke making FAR more money than football. That isn't total revenue. If that's what you thought from my initial post, I should have been more clear.
I'd go right the opposite. 100% for baseball. You could give 100% to football or basketball and you still wouldn't be a pimple on the ******* of the big boys. If they want your guy, they are going to get your guy. The pool that can do that in baseball is much, much smaller.
For 2021-2022, football generated $30,758,917 revenue (not counting $9,166,086 SEC distributions) and had expenses of $29,095,668. Net profit $1,663,249 (before SEC distributions). Basketball generated $8,029,304 (not counting $511,134 SEC distributions) and had expenses of $8,384,574, for a net loss before SEC distributions of $355,270.
I'm talking about for the schools that are the basketball blue chips that I mentioned. Duke. UNC. Kansas.
Ah. Looks like you're right about the elite basketball schools. Looking at North Carolina, their net before ACC distributions is $14,479,176 for football and $20,567,611 for basketball.
over the last 10-20 years. Without question right there with it, or above it.
I think you have to look at today not 20 years ago. Missouri 11-2 #8 would have been a playoff team this year. We will struggle to win more than 4 games next year.
1 good year doesn't make a good program. The schools that make the cut (wherever that cut is, whether it's 20 schools or 80), will be the ones with long-term good programs and revenues.
You can use a 4 year window to argue any point you want. Prior to this season Mizzou hadnt finished above 500 in their previous 4.
This is so dumb. Yeah we’d possibly “make waves” in a sport that loses money annually and no one outside of a few states in the south gives a flying 17 about.
Do you think we are ever going to be above average in football in the NIL era? I got bad news for you...
Well, that depends what you deem to be above average. I would call the Mullen era to be above average. And that was our best stretch in school history, but still were only a 7-8 win program. With the right buy-in, I do think we can remain competitive in the new NIL era.
Truthfully? Who the hell knows? We’ve never fully invested in football as a university. We’ve averaged 7 wins a year since 2010. Pretty average, my guess is if we went all in like most SEC schools it would buy us another win or so. No one is claiming we’ll rattle off multiple SEC championships, that’s delusional.
Our issues in football and baseball lately don’t have anything to do with NIL. Our issues is our head coaches suck a s s . We will go as far as Lebby goes. This isn’t rocket science. If our fanbase and university invests in NIL + Lebby is a good coach we will win football games and it will be entertaining. If Lebby sucks then we will fire him and move on to the next. NIL is only a part of the equation.
That is the best way to be bad at all the sports.
I guess you are dense or illiterate. Likely both. I never said we shouldn't invest in football.
No but you did say something idiotic about “making waves” in a sport that 99% of the population doesn’t care about. A sport that loses money annually doesn’t make waves.
Do you think most schools give a flying feck about baseball. We truly have the dumbest fans. But but muh baseball muh lfl muh Ron polk statue. Muh DNF. This why other fan bases laugh at us
A million times. We make money going to a bowl game we don’t make money in baseball. More people watch a bowl game than watch a cws game. It’s a damn club sport
And when Judgement Day comes
It depends on the size of the league. 32 teams? We’re toast. 48? I think we make it, unless we totally tank like we did in the 2000s.
That’s the reason why we’ve had post season success in baseball and never will in football.
