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I don't care who they hire. I'd just like to THINK they could/might win a game like today.

Losses can be accepted, especially against teams that are better, but it sure would be nice to believe there is a chance to win. With each passing year that gets less and less probable.

Is that asking too much???

Agree totally. What we saw last night was pretty much the same old same old. An offense that cannot consistently move the ball. It gets tough to watch. Give me a serviceable product, please.
 

MacNit

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Coaching at FAU is far far different from big boy football. In big boy football, he is mediocre with very few meaningful accomplishments. Sark loses big games too. His personality is so great that Saban was fine with him leaving before the season was over. You wanna make a big splash with accomplishments to back it up? Throw a ton of cash at Saban.
He beat Franklin in Peach Bowl as I recall!
 
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KingLando

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Something is wrong. PSU can't ever seem to get the "right" OC. Every single one of them can't call plays or get personnel to execute the plays? How does the Kotelnicki offense of last year regress with almost the same personnel? Was Warren that good? Was he the reason PSU ran for 300 yards against Oregon last year?
Warren was that good but there's other issues
 

MacNit

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He's the answer if you want a proven winner
I want a young guy that I'm confident will fully embrace NIL and the portal
Hell, go crazy and hire Bryson Allen Williams or Ben Arbuckle
Anything to get out of this do loop!
you think an Urban coached team gets bullied on its home field?
And that was Joe’s choice to replace him. But what did he know about football?
Answer = winning
 

ApexLion

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This is my question, as well.

People talk about getting rid of Franklin as though there's some obvious solution dangling from a low hanging tree branch. Who is going to walk through the door that's going to be a magic bullet?

I just don't buy narrative that you show Franklin the door and everything turns around.
Turn around? We just went toe to toe with one of the best teams in the country $$$ can buy.

y’all need to focus on 10-2
 

Bwifan

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Coaching at FAU is far far different from big boy football. In big boy football, he is mediocre with very few meaningful accomplishments. Sark loses big games too. His personality is so great that Saban was fine with him leaving before the season was over. You wanna make a big splash with accomplishments to back it up? Throw a ton of cash at Saban.
So your choices only are Ryan Day and Kirby Smart? I would love them as well only I don't believe they are coming to PSU
 

1995PSUGrad

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Pushed around on our home field.

Heck of a comeback…but still an L just like any other.

As I have been saying for a long time. Franklin is soft, his teams are soft (mentally and physically), and that leads to this…again, and again, and again.

Had enough? At this point, if you have not then you must be either a Franklin fanboy or a masochist.

Hopefully this will be the final straw. Pay the buyout, raise beer prices by $1, and give someone else a chance.
Who?
 

1995PSUGrad

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Who are you realistically going to get to replace him, who will win more games than he has the last few seasons. With his next win he will move into second place all time in victories as a PSU coach.

We're all frustrated or we wouldn't be Penn State fans. We were almost in the National Championship game last year. With the extended playoff system one loss doesn't end your season.

Do you really want to be like a Nebraska who fired a coach because he didn't win enough games to your liking and set the program back?
I agree with everything you are saying.

Almost every team in college football would love to be as successful as Penn State has been under Franklin. I would say Kirby Smart, Ryan Day, and Dan Lanning would be the coaches who have had more success during that time period. Saban is retired and Dabo Sweeney's program is a mess right now. Do you think either of those 3 are going to leave their program to come to Penn State?
 
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1995PSUGrad

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Or do you want to be Georgia?
I agree--the loss today isn't a big deal but the playoff wins were SMU and Boise.
The Steelers are stuck in mediocrity because they refuse to make a necessary move--I don't want Penn State to be the same.
The same people that complain about our non-conference schedule now complain that the playoff teams that we weren't good enough!
 

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Question for folks here ... AK has had success with a mobile QBs and running a version of the RPO. Obviously he inherited Allar. This offense really struggles at times and I am just thinking would this offense be much more successful with a running QB like Beau? AK has said it's up to him to be successful and create an offense with the players he has regardless of abilities and use their skill sets. I am looking at the QBs behind Allar obviously Grunk and Smolnik. None of them are really RPO QBs. Even now with Allar they are trying to get him more mobile. Should PSU be recruiting more a RPO qb for the offense to be successful with AK calling plays
 

KingLando

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Question for folks here ... AK has had success with a mobile QBs and running a version of the RPO. Obviously he inherited Allar. This offense really struggles at times and I am just thinking would this offense be much more successful with a running QB like Beau? AK has said it's up to him to be successful and create an offense with the players he has regardless of abilities and use their skill sets. I am looking at the QBs behind Allar obviously Grunk and Smolnik. None of them are really RPO QBs. Even now with Allar they are trying to get him more mobile. Should PSU be recruiting more a RPO qb for the offense to be successful with AK calling plays
The OC should be adapting his offense to fit the players--you recruit the best kids and adapt to them.
 

MacNit

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You’re arguments are pretty weak. Even as the biggest Joe homer on this board.
No arguments needed. With JVP, I sat in stands of three road victories over a #1 lteam - late in season.

With Franklin? Yeah - we hang in and beat ‘Nova!
 

LB99

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No arguments needed. With JVP, I sat in stands of three road victories over a #1 lteam - late in season.

With Franklin? Yeah - we hang in and beat ‘Nova!
You earlier referenced the 97 season. Did you sit in the stands when Joe got pounded by Michigan and choked to end the season with two losses, one to an unranked team? That was a horrible example on your part. Did you sit in the stands when Joe lost 9 in a row to Michigan? Homer.
 
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MacNit

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You earlier referenced the 97 season. Did you sit in the stands when Joe got pounded by Michigan and choked to end the season with two losses, one to an unranked team? That was a horrible example on your part. Did you sit in the stands when Joe lost 9 in a row to Michigan? Homer.
I would trade all those great victory for 1 in 11 years in a heartbeat.
 

BostonNit

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Yeah, Kiffin totally out coached Franklin in that game. Shocking
Although we did have a ton of players opt out and got torched with a few freshmen DBs stepping in for first major playing time.

I've heard it said keeping the locker room together is one of Franklin's strengths. Until it's not.
 

psuno1

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Although we did have a ton of players opt out and got torched with a few freshmen DBs stepping in for first major playing time.

I've heard it said keeping the locker room together is one of Franklin's strengths. Until it's not.
Well the Culture is so good, that is why these guys don't opt out of bowl games. Not.
 

Warlerski

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Pushed around on our home field.

Heck of a comeback…but still an L just like any other.

As I have been saying for a long time. Franklin is soft, his teams are soft (mentally and physically), and that leads to this…again, and again, and again.

Had enough? At this point, if you have not then you must be either a Franklin fanboy or a masochist.

Hopefully this will be the final straw. Pay the buyout, raise beer prices by $1, and give someone else a chance.
For the record, I am neither a PSU nor Oregon fan. I watched the whole game. A great game between 2 really good teams. Keep in mind that Oregon is and will continue to be a legit national title contender. They have a good coach and have among the deepest pockets given their Nike money. PSU also plays in one of the 2 best football conferences, the SEC being the other. Winning in the B1G is hard, changing coaches won't change that. On the other hand, the money is great. It also allows good funding for non-revenue sports.
 

WaffleShopper

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Urban may be the only answer.
Urban would absolutely win more games, recruit higher ranked players, and our team would be tougher. He’d also recruit more POS human beings, grades would drop overall, most of the staff would hate him, and players would be getting in trouble left and right.
 

BCS PSU

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Well setting aside that Allar is not nearly as good as some folks think, all of this + we are soft and continue to find ways to lose these games.

If you think about it, full credit that Franklin does not lose the locker room. All the practices and sacrifice and yet another loss - getting bullied on your home field.

Got to believe BGJ will leave after this year. Going to be some mediocre Big10 teams looking to administer some payback next year. And PSU will be very vulnerable. This program could be headed into some very challenging times. And I doubt Franklin will want to be part of it. And thanks to Sandy, he will never have to cosch again. Kudos to his agent!

The $10k per game luxury suites ight suddenly become a tough sell!
PSU is going to have a lot of money to spend on portal players after all of the overpaid returnees leave, so they should be able to plug some holes. Also, maybe it will be a good thing for younger players to get their chance next season.
 

LB99

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Urban would absolutely win more games, recruit higher ranked players, and our team would be tougher. He’d also recruit more POS human beings, grades would drop overall, most of the staff would hate him, and players would be getting in trouble left and right.
Urban is the modern day Barry Switzer.
 

LB99

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Long list…Kraft being paid to figure out who to try.
Nah. You don’t get to play AD to fire Franklin then cop out on giving us your “long list” coaching candidates that would get PSU over the top without regression. That’s a lazy cop out on your part. Let’s have the list.
 

LB99

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So your choices only are Ryan Day and Kirby Smart? I would love them as well only I don't believe they are coming to PSU
I think you just supported my argument. You listed the only two that you feel are going to be better and they are probably unattainable.
 

LB99

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Malvern Prep could zone block Oregon, and pick up at least 2 yards every play, and I'm dead serious.
What we are seeing is pure BS.
Too much $ being wasted on clueless.
If you think a HS OL could be effective against that Oregon DL, then I got nothing. Although, most of the Malvern Prep guys are probably reclassed so they may be college aged already. Either way, I don’t even think you believe what you wrote. That’s hyperbole.
 

Fred8811

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If you think a HS OL could be effective against that Oregon DL, then I got nothing. Although, most of the Malvern Prep guys are probably reclassed so they may be college aged already. Either way, I don’t even think you believe what you wrote. That’s hyperbole.
I didn't say effective. I said 2 yards. Of course BS, but close.
The PS OL is composed of experienced physical freaks, and were helpless or asleep.
Why?