OT: Alec Baldwin is in trouble...

[Stephen Light]

Never, ever, talk to anyone, most especially the police, in any legal circumstance in which you are involved without first consulting an attorney. That’s the number one takeaway in this case. (Other than the obvious gun safety pointers!).

You are not Alec Baldwin, and most likely, you do not have Alec Baldwin’s bank account…which bank account insures that you will be able to wriggle out of the most extreme possible penalties.

 

[91Joe95]

Good for him for figuring out you gotta pay to play.

As far as the prosecutor, how do you charge, downgrade, and then drop all charges when none of the facts have changed? Looks suspicious.

 

[Nitt1300]

rich white guy justice

 

[BobPSU92]

rich white guy justice

I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding.

 

[PSUHarry]

He is going to regret doing that tv interview and saying he didn't pull the trigger. All top lawyers said until this case is closed he should keep his mouth shut and instead did that whole interview and all those statements can and will be used against him. This is going to be a battle of lawsuits between he and the girl who was in charge of hot ammo on the set on who really pulled the trigger. Both are being charged with involuntary manslaughter.

This aged well.

 

[PSUHarry]

rich white guy justice

The FBI uncovered new evidence that the gun was modified prior to being put in his hands. It was determined that the modification enabled the gun to fire without pulling the trigger. Baldwin said he pulled the hammer back but never pulled the trigger. The new evidences says the gun went off without him pulling the trigger due to the modification.
firing mechanism modified

 

[91Joe95]

The FBI uncovered new evidence that the gun was modified prior to being put in his hands. It was determined that the modification enabled the gun to fire without pulling the trigger. Baldwin said he pulled the hammer back but never pulled the trigger. The new evidences says the gun went off without him pulling the trigger due to the modification.
firing mechanism modified

Interesting. How do you go from:

Weapon in deadly 'Rust' film set shooting could not be fired without pulling the trigger, FBI forensic testing finds | CNN

FBI testing of the gun used in the fatal shooting on the movie set of "Rust" found that the weapon handled by actor Alec Baldwin could not be fired without pulling the trigger while the gun was cocked, according to a newly released forensics report.

www.cnn.com

to suddenly being modified. That's a nice little guardian angel Baldwin suddenly has.

Cathy Lee Crosby could be my coach any day. Suck it weather thread cancelation.

 

[91Joe95]

rich white guy justice

Even OJ had to pay for an expensive trial. Good ratings though.

 

[Bosco2]

When does he start shooting his next pic?

 

[91Joe95]

I’m sure it’s all just a misunderstanding.

Even if suddenly and amazingly true, still doesn't explain the live rounds or him blowing off training, but who's paying attention at this point?

 

[Midnighter]

Baldwin will likely pay some (probably not personally but rather through production company insurance) to settle civil stuff but this was a flimsy case to begin with and the DA likely made the (wise) decision to not be embarrassed in court.

 

[psu31trap]

The FBI uncovered new evidence that the gun was modified prior to being put in his hands. It was determined that the modification enabled the gun to fire without pulling the trigger. Baldwin said he pulled the hammer back but never pulled the trigger. The new evidences says the gun went off without him pulling the trigger due to the modification.
firing mechanism modified

Sounds like a plausible explanation on an autoloader, but on a revolver? Think about it for a moment. If you’re able to set the hammer without it tripping forward how would the gun go off? I have shot several high performance revolvers with 2.5lbs or 2lbs of trigger pull combined with a shortened hammer stroke, but the trigger always had to be pulled and in each case the hammer could be set. Yes, it’s instantaneous and jolting if you’re not expecting the gun to go off, but never, not once did the gun discharge on it own. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

 

[91Joe95]

Sounds like a plausible explanation on an autoloader, but on a revolver? Think about it for a moment. If you’re able to set the hammer without it tripping forward how would the gun go off? I have shot several high performance revolvers with 2.5lbs or 2lbs of trigger pull combined with a shortened hammer stroke, but the trigger always had to be pulled and in each case the hammer could be set. Yes, it’s instantaneous and jolting if you’re not expecting the gun to go off, but never, not once did the gun discharge on it own. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

The FBI forensics unit couldn't get the gun to accidentally fire at all the first time they tested it. I find it interesting they decided to test a second time, even moreso than the gun suddenly being able to fire.

Oh btw, what about the live ammo and, ahem, questionable mandatory training? I guess an "accidentally" firing gun somehow makes those disappear. Eh, just another dead innocent mother. Move along, move along.

 

[psu31trap]

The FBI forensics unit couldn't get the gun to accidentally fire at all the first time they tested it. I find it interesting they decided to test a second time, even moreso than the gun suddenly being able to fire.

Oh btw, what about the live ammo and, ahem, questionable mandatory training? I guess an "accidentally" firing gun somehow makes those disappear. Eh, just another dead innocent mother. Move along, move along.

Yeah, it just doesn’t add up to me.

 

[PSUHarry]

Sounds like a plausible explanation on an autoloader, but on a revolver? Think about it for a moment. If you’re able to set the hammer without it tripping forward how would the gun go off? I have shot several high performance revolvers with 2.5lbs or 2lbs of trigger pull combined with a shortened hammer stroke, but the trigger always had to be pulled and in each case the hammer could be set. Yes, it’s instantaneous and jolting if you’re not expecting the gun to go off, but never, not once did the gun discharge on it own. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

I trust your experience and opinions, as I'm not a gun guy.

 

[PSUHarry]

Yeah, it just doesn’t add up to me.

I guess that decided to test again after they determined in was a gun that had been modified? I don't know,.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Alec Baldwin faces renewed manslaughter charges over 2021 ‘Rust’ movie set shooting

New Mexico prosecutors have recharged Alec Baldwin with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the fatal 2021 shooting on the set of "Rust."

www.cnbc.com

 

[Midnighter]

Alec Baldwin faces renewed manslaughter charges over 2021 ‘Rust’ movie set shooting

New Mexico prosecutors have recharged Alec Baldwin with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the fatal 2021 shooting on the set of "Rust."

www.cnbc.com

New Mexico legal system:

 

[bbrown]

New Mexico legal system:

Yea but their food is amazing.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

Alec Baldwin faces renewed manslaughter charges over 2021 ‘Rust’ movie set shooting

New Mexico prosecutors have recharged Alec Baldwin with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in connection with the fatal 2021 shooting on the set of "Rust."

www.cnbc.com

I said from beginning (not here) that he intended to kill her. More than likely she either rejected him or cut off a physical relationship. But experts have now determined that he pulled the trigger with a very high degree of certainty despite his repeated claims otherwise. They tried to pin the live round on the inexperienced armorer. Keep in mind that he was director and overall responsible for the safety to include the handling of weapons. Further, the scene did not call for him to fire the weapon and even with blanks you never fire directly pointed at anyone that you don't intend to harm.

 

[bbrown]

I said from beginning (not here) that he intended to kill her. More than likely she either rejected him or cut off a physical relationship. But experts have now determined that he pulled the trigger with a very high degree of certainty despite his repeated claims otherwise. They tried to pin the live round on the inexperienced armorer. Keep in mind that he was director and overall responsible for the safety to include the handling of weapons. Further, the scene did not call for him to fire the weapon and even with blanks you never fire directly pointed at anyone that you don't intend to harm.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

You are welcome to offer another view. Now that he is indicted for involuntary manslaughter, what do you think happened? Are you still buying that he never pulled the trigger as he has maintained for 2 years now that experts have concluded after testing with the murder weapon that he had to have pulled the trigger?

 

[Bwifan]

You are welcome to offer another view. Now that he is indicted for involuntary manslaughter, what do you think happened? Are you still buying that he never pulled the trigger as he has maintained for 2 years now that experts have concluded after testing with the murder weapon that he had to have pulled the trigger?

I have held off making a determination on his guilt or even a bad mistake. After what the media and people did to Joe I try to no longer pile on quickly until I hear the evidence. I am planning on doing the same here. Let's see and hear what evidence they have on him as well as what he has for a defense.

 

[bbrown]

New Mexico legal system:

On another note I am tired of shoveling snow and will be happy when I land in Las Cruces.

 

[Grant Green]

I said from beginning (not here) that he intended to kill her.

That is insanely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone intentionally shoot someone with a room full of witnesses? Even claiming it was a mistake, you would have to realize that you were at risk for going to prison and paying a boatload in legal fees, not to mention seriously jeopardizing your career. The dumbest person on the planet wouldn't be that stupid.

 

[bbrown]

That is insanely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone intentionally shoot someone with a room full of witnesses? Even claiming it was a mistake, you would have to realize that you were at risk for going to prison and paying a boatload in legal fees, not to mention seriously jeopardizing your career. The dumbest person on the planet wouldn't be that stupid.

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

That is insanely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone intentionally shoot someone with a room full of witnesses? Even claiming it was a mistake, you would have to realize that you were at risk for going to prison and paying a boatload in legal fees, not to mention seriously jeopardizing your career. The dumbest person on the planet wouldn't be that stupid.

Because he believed that he would get away with it. On set was where he had access to a weapon that he was permitted to use, and he had an inexperienced armorer as his alibi.

 

[Nitt1300]

Because he believed that he would get away with it. On set was where he had access to a weapon that he was permitted to use, and he had an inexperienced armorer as his alibi.

 

[Grant Green]

Because he believed that he would get away with it. On set was where he had access to a weapon that he was permitted to use, and he had an inexperienced armorer as his alibi.

And what about Joel Souza? He was ok with possibly killing him as well? Or maybe it was a 3 way love trist?
Sorry to be blunt, but this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

 

[ILLINOISLION]

When does he start shooting his next pic?

When does he start shooting IN his next pic?

 

[leinbacker]

That is insanely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone intentionally shoot someone with a room full of witnesses? Even claiming it was a mistake, you would have to realize that you were at risk for going to prison and paying a boatload in legal fees, not to mention seriously jeopardizing your career. The dumbest person on the planet wouldn't be that stupid.

Why would anyone point a gun at someone?

 

[Grant Green]

Why would anyone point a gun at someone?

Have you ever watched a movie? You realize that actors point prop guns at each other all the time, for like decades.

 

[leinbacker]

Have you ever watched a movie? You realize that actors point prop guns at each other all the time, for like decades.

This wasn’t a prop gun. The golden rule of handling firearms is that you always assume it’s loaded.

 

[leinbacker]

Were I a juror, it would be tough to convince me an actor has the same affirmative duty as an actual armorer.

Do you believe Baldwin when he says he didn’t pull the trigger, it just went off on its own?

 

[Grant Green]

This wasn’t a prop gun. The golden rule of handling firearms is that you always assume it’s loaded.

Ok, let me revise. It is common for actors to use real guns on movie sets that are loaded with blanks. That is why trained armorers exist.

Do you honestly believe that Baldwin intentionally killed a person in a room full of people?

 

[Midnighter]

Do you believe Baldwin when he says he didn’t pull the trigger, it just went off on its own?

Accidents happen all the time on sets. It’s more believable than he intentionally killed someone. Jesus.

 

[BobPSU92]

Re-reading this thread, I just realized that 91Joe95 hasn‘t been here since June.

 

[kgilbert78]

After just serving on jury duty 1 thing I will say is never let it go trial or trust a jury. I was stunned at some of the things I heard in our jury deliberations.

Today "truth" is based more on how someone feels, and the victim is never wrong....

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

That is insanely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone intentionally shoot someone with a room full of witnesses? Even claiming it was a mistake, you would have to realize that you were at risk for going to prison and paying a boatload in legal fees, not to mention seriously jeopardizing your career. The dumbest person on the planet wouldn't be that stupid.

Is it dumb or genius?

 

[EdwardoCarrachio]

Ok, let me revise. It is common for actors to use real guns on movie sets that are loaded with blanks. That is why trained armorers exist.

Do you honestly believe that Baldwin intentionally killed a person in a room full of people?

Any who has ever fired a weapon with blanks has been instructed to never point the weapon at someone. Real weapon = never point it at another human being unless you intent to shoot them. Have you fired blanks (no, not talking about your sex life)?