From what I understand Augusta is not a nice place beyond the course. Sort of like a Meridian.
OT: Don't raise your children in Gulfport or Memphis
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Truth.
And it ain’t just liberals, it’s just life and the sooner people realize for there be nice shlt on this earth, there usually has to be crappy shlt too where shlt gets done. New York is New York because Newark is Newark.
It’s a cold world out there, stay frosty my 6 pack bros.
Not really. Progressive policies are generally a luxury good that you can only afford after you have something nice.
It's not hard to have nice things. Austin is a cool city and then the far left decided to let the homeless population grow, defund the police and other nonsense. Don't do that crap. Europe is poorer than the US but has nice things in cities for citizens to enjoy: museums, parks, arenas, markets, public transport and more cops on patrol. Build nice things and let law-abiding citizens enjoy them and keep the riff raff away as much as possible. San Fran was nice before lefties ruined parts of it. NYC got cleaned up. It can happen. White progressives went all retarded after George Floyd and screwed some places up. Conservatives need to accept that taxes can do some good and so can government.
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no the root cause of homelessness is drugs and the easy access to it and this include MJ. it’s also good business: these lib criminal NGO have embezzled 10x the money needed to built every homeless crackhead a home. there’s also good money to be made in open borders
King County reports largest number of homeless people ever
Homelessness in Seattle and King County reached record levels in the 2024 Point-in-Time Count. Government officials say a housing shortage is to blame.www.seattletimes.com
Seattle also spends alot of money taking care of the homeless which is good but it also exacerbates the problem.
And the root cause of most of the homelessness in King County is the affordability of housing.
Homeschool is the answer
I am smart enough to know I am not smart enough to teach my kids what they have learned and will learn in the coming years.
But if others are able smart enough in so many subjects to competently challenge and teach, more power to em.
AP Chem, AP Physics, AP Bio, Pottery, Civil Engineering and Architecture, Calc, AP LitLang...17 that.
Even the regular classes of all those...17 that.
Genuinely though- people that can teach all the subjects a middle schooler and high schooler have are incredible. That's amazing.
There are plenty of resources to home school and the parents not have a firm grasp of the more challenging subjects. It can be done. I wouldn’t do it personally but it’s out there.
It's not just about crime. These people that I have personally talked to named multiple things that made them leave. Affordability, quality of life, too much leftism, people overall more upset with the world, lack of friendliness as it used to be, etc.
How about that, you do read your own posts. **
As a native of Gulfport, I agree. Compared to the numerous places I have lived in this country, Gulfport is the low point.
In addition, I lived in Memphis for 5 yrs post graduating from MSU. It sucks.
In addition, I lived in Memphis for 5 yrs post graduating from MSU. It sucks.
Some truth, a lot of crap. It's true that it's easier to reduce crime if you ignore pesky things like civil liberties and treating citizens as something more than pieces of crap that are assumed guilty on sight. Liberals are trying to raise the bar as to how our police forces treat our citizens. Maybe that is destined to increase crime, but I for one don't believe so. It's hard, but all good things are hard to do. So do we want to roll up our sleeves and do the hard work, or declare it too hard and just give up on the principles this country was founded on?
But hey, if libs keep trying and can't make this work....they'll adjust. They won't keep insisting on the same failed policies for a hundred years. That's why they are better than conservatives.
Our policing policies are not failed. We actually have a very safe country overall and I for one would like to keep it that way.
You think people are inherently good, but they aren't. The lowest common denominator will do everything possible to skirt the system, and dealing with them by force is really all they know or understand.
There are some rough spots that weigh the perception of here down. But it is far from the worst places I've lived in this state.
I've lived all over Mississippi (The Delta, Natchez, NE Jackson, Philadelphia, & Starkville) for the first 30 years of life, before being in Gulfport the last 25.
We chose Gulfport, over Coast towns, at the time due to our job locations. We were fortunate enough to educate our children (Now State Alumni! #HailState) in Catholic Schools (for faith-based reasons, not fear/loathing of public schools), so school systems were not the highest priority for us. If the school system would have been of the highest priority, we would have chosen another area of the Coast to live.
One, I never said failed. The question is should we be seeking improvement? And, are things getting worse as is? The militarization of our police forces over the last couple decades IS the impetus for a lot of desired reform, if ya didn't realize. I for one think that massive change requires a little course correction in how we do police oversight, for the sake of freedom. Freedom is easy to opine for, difficult to do in practice. Case in point right here.
I don't think people are inherently good. Try again. (Cops included. Maybe you should apply that line of thought to them?) I'm all for harsh punishment for the worst offenders. I just don't think we do that well at all right now. We harshly punish a TON of non-violent, petty offenders, turning them into hardened criminals and then releasing them, rather than truly trying to rehabilitate them. We punish the worst offenders less to make room for the former as well. And we don't do a good job at all of sorting between the worst offenders, the petty criminals, and the innocent. But this is all criminal justice reform, not policing reform (mostly).
I'd bet that the caveat to this list is its based on actually living and educating in the city limits. It's easy to live comfortably and cheaply and in a very safe neighborhood 20 minutes from Gulfport. Not so for Fremont.
Those policies have led to an increase of over 4,000 dead black Americans since George Floyd. Good intentions don't mean good outcomes. I do recommend being rich enough to not have to live in neighborhoods where criminals are allowed to terrorize other citizens. America has incredibly high rates of crime. It's done by a small percentage of the population. Put them in prison and the crime rate will decline (see recent history). Also prosecute and imprison corrupt cops and hope more liberals interested in police reforms become actually police officers and not just critics on the outside looking in.
Militarization of the police is overstated. It's happened, to a ridiculous degree but at times police are actually outgunned.
We actually don't punish a ton of non-violent, petty offenders. That's not true and we don't make room for them by releasing worse offenders who are punished less. That's not even remotely true. It happens rarely and gets over publicized so some Americans think we have a bunch of potheads in prison for possession which is not the case.
They're just trying to feed their families. This is what white supremacy and a corrupt judicial system, our school to prison pipeline and cutting off funds for after school programs forces people to do.***
You gotta provide a link when you make this sort of claim. I mean, come on now- BoomBoom posted a general statement about improving how groups of people are treated by police, and you post a claim that has a specific number tied to specific policies.
I am not doubting your stats, but I(and I assume BoomBoom) dont even know what you are referring to.
4000 people are dead in the last 4 years, and they wouldnt be dead if policies hadnt changed? That is really sad to see, but I also would be interested to see how such a stat is even calculated.
One of the issues in this country, especially post racial reckoning since George Floyd, is that we accept that no one is above the law but not all of us accept that some people are below the law. That is, we're seeing prosecutors, judges, activists on the left claiming that someone's ethnicity, economic status or other observable characteristic should be considered in determining whether they should spend time in jail or prison.
Crime increased dramatically in a number of cities after the racial reckoning and it concentrated in black neighborhoods as the police pulled back. That's well documented. During this period, black women had a higher murder rate than white men and white American men have a much higher murder rate than white European men. "The homicide rate among Black victims in the United States was 23.41 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 6.03 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 3.24 per 100,000. The Black homicide victimization rate was nearly four times the overall homicide victimization rate (23.41 per 100,000 compared to 6.03 per 100,000) and seven times the white homicide victimization rate (23.41 per 100,000 compared to 3.24 per 100,000). From 2019 to 2020, the Black homicide victimization rate increased by 29 percent (from 18.08 per 100,000 in 2019 to 23.41 per 100,000 in 2020). The rate of 23.41 per 100,000 in 2020 was the highest Black homicide victimization rate in the 17-year history of this study. Additional information contained in the FBI SHR data on Black homicide victimization is below."
Black Homicide Victimization in the US | Violence Policy Center
Explore national data and analysis on black homicide victimization in the United States, offering insights into the broader trends and patterns.
vpc.org
What if, as a society, the needle has moved to a point where what was a prisonable offense in decades past is no longer viewed as a good reason to go to prison now?
Do you agree with that societal change?
To be clear, I recognize that my question is blind to the observable characteristics part of your comment. I dont disagree with you- ideally, the law and sentencing is blind to such things.
What's interesting is that police killed around 20 unarmed Black Americans the year George Floyd was murdered and it's been like that for quite some time. The police obviously killed more per year years earlier including some pretty awful instances (Amadou Diallo). The police kill more unarmed whites than unarmed blacks but so many Americans think otherwise. There seems to be a concerted effort to avoid learning crime stats by a lot of Americans.
I'm back from San Francisco recently and I had a similar experience in that I was expecting fentanyl zombies on every square inch but I actually saw more of those my last time in Nashville. From my brief time in the city, it didn't look much different than my last visit years ago.
Maybe. What has the reduction from felony to misdemeanor for stealing less than $1,000 in merch done in a number of cities? Has it made the lives of poor black people better? I would simply remove the criminals and imprison them. It's not a lot. Less than 1% would be fine and make cities so much safer for the 99%
It's not hard in the sense that lots of places have nice things and once you have nice things, it mainly takes just not being stupid to maintain it. But there's no switch to flip. You could give a very smart and competent person dictatorial power over a place like Memphis or Jackson, and they could certainly improve it a lot. Charging for water and sewer and stopping the graft, effective policing and keeping criminals locked up, voucherizing education, etc. But at the end of the day, neither Memphis nor Jackson will be as nice or safe as a lot of european cities that put a lot less resources into law enforcement (or even a lot of western or northeastern cities).
Meh, most conservatives aren't going to ***** about city and local taxes that are effectively spent. Very conservative towns have no problem getting bond issuances overwhelmingly approved when the schools are good. Most conservatives want police to make decent money. They want roads paved. They are happy to have nice parks and libraries and community programs etc. The bitching comes when the money is spent elsewhere on things that aren't high priority, and then they're asking to raise taxes for what should have been high priorities and already paid for.
Would conservatives vote to increase taxes to pay for additional police officer or would they say cut the budget to do that?
"city and local taxes that are effectively spent." Good luck getting people to agree on what "effectively spent" means. That's dependent on ideology
Correlation is not causation.
good advice.
no, it doesnt.
Depends entirely on what you define as crime.
that was tried and didnt work. We have more per capira incarcerarion than any other nation, by far. Yet you claim we have very high crime. Can't you see a piece doesn't fit there?
Agreed.
It's not the weaponry, it's the attitude.
agreed. Most speeders get away with it, for example.
well, its definitely true that we incarcerate a large number of petty offenders for long periods. Where do you say that space comes from?
Source?
Here's one I found:
Excessive Punishment | Equal Justice Initiative
EJI is fighting failed sentencing policies that create excessive punishment.
eji.org
Who asked the police to pull back? Who's to say this isn't a covid effect?
repeated as fact ad nauseum on rightie internet sites isnt "well documented".
Ok, so? People in bad neighborhoods are more likely to be victims, and black people etc are more likely to be in poor neighborhoods, that explains that right? What's the point here?During this period, black women had a higher murder rate than white men and white American men have a much higher murder rate than white European men. "The homicide rate among Black victims in the United States was 23.41 per 100,000. For that year, the overall national homicide rate was 6.03 per 100,000. For whites, the national homicide rate was 3.24 per 100,000. The Black homicide victimization rate was nearly four times the overall homicide victimization rate (23.41 per 100,000 compared to 6.03 per 100,000) and seven times the white homicide victimization rate (23.41 per 100,000 compared to 3.24 per 100,000). From 2019 to 2020, the Black homicide victimization rate increased by 29 percent (from 18.08 per 100,000 in 2019 to 23.41 per 100,000 in 2020). The rate of 23.41 per 100,000 in 2020 was the highest Black homicide victimization rate in the 17-year history of this study. Additional information contained in the FBI SHR data on Black homicide victimization is below."
Black Homicide Victimization in the US | Violence Policy Center
Explore national data and analysis on black homicide victimization in the United States, offering insights into the broader trends and patterns.vpc.org
I would say this has only been a problem where repeat offenders have not been treated as repeat offenders. I get why some far libs would resist doing so, but most libs would agree with increasing punishment for repeat offenses.
It's not the weaponry, it's the attitude.
agreed. Most speeders get away with it, for example.
well, its definitely true that we incarcerate a large number of petty offenders for long periods. Where do you say that space comes from?
Source?
Here's one I found:
Excessive Punishment | Equal Justice Initiative
EJI is fighting failed sentencing policies that create excessive punishment.
Correlation is not causation.
good advice.
no, it doesnt.
Depends entirely on what you define as crime.
that was tried and didnt work. Can't you see a piece doesn't fit there?
Agreed.
Your source is mainly about federal prisoners. Most prisoners are in state prisons. "Of the approximately 145,000 people in federal prisons and 1,040,000 people in state prisons, less than 3.5 percent are incarcerated for a conviction related to drug possession. Even when one expands the scope beyond mere possession to all other types of drug offenses (many of which are associated with violent cartels and gangs), the proportion rises only to 18 percent." https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-myth-of-the-nonviolent-drug-offenderIt's not the weaponry, it's the attitude.
agreed. Most speeders get away with it, for example.
well, its definitely true that we incarcerate a large number of petty offenders for long periods. Where do you say that space comes from?
Source?
Here's one I found:
Excessive Punishment | Equal Justice Initiative
EJI is fighting failed sentencing policies that create excessive punishment.
Progressives did. And some DA's (Seattle, LA, Philly, Chicago etc) Covid was world wide but the crime increase wasn't. Crime rates declined in some countries. Thus, reason and logic say it wasn't Covid.
The poor, especially poor non-whites are more likely to suffer the consequences of policy preferences pushed by materially better off white progressives. That's the point. White progressives don't suffer from some policies they support. But by doing so they grant themselves absolution for our white supremacist past.
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We have a lot of people in prison. Not enough. How many additional murders, carjackings, rapes, violent crimes etc are we going to have this year by non-incarcerated people with criminal records? That's an indication that we don't have enough people in prison
Read closely. Some rare events are being highlighted hereIt's not the weaponry, it's the attitude.
agreed. Most speeders get away with it, for example.
well, its definitely true that we incarcerate a large number of petty offenders for long periods. Where do you say that space comes from?
Source?
Here's one I found:
Excessive Punishment | Equal Justice Initiative
EJI is fighting failed sentencing policies that create excessive punishment.
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