OT: Fight About It

Best Youth Caliber for Deer Sized Game 200 to 500 Yards

  • .243 Winchester

    Votes: 38 42.7%
  • .25-06

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • 6.5 Creedmoor

    Votes: 9 10.1%
  • 7mm-08

    Votes: 32 36.0%
  • Something else

    Votes: 9 10.1%

  • Total voters
    89

Pilgrimdawg

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Correct. I always get those confused. Hornady Interbonds is what I meant for .308. I load accubonds for my Weatherby Mark V in .270 Weatherby Magnum and Weatherby Vanguard in .270.
I’m pretty sure that Hornady discontinued their Interbond line of bullets but didn’t go back and look it up. All those mentioned in the photo above are good choices if your rifle likes them. We have had good luck with the Trophy Bonded tip and the Accubond but each rifle is different. For example I have 2 rifles in 300wm. The Sako A7 shoots my Accubonds with about a half minute accuracy but that same load in my Browning X Bolt is more like 2 minutes. Trophy Bonded Tip has been excellent for big animals but Federal does a pitiful job in marketing compared to others like Hornady.
 

dogmatic001

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Where would you start an elementary aged kid for their first rifle? Longer shots are necessary at times and need to be able to put in some practice time at the range without getting recoil shy.

I love a .270, and both Browning and Remington make several models that are heavily-built. If you buy a bolt-action that's fairly heavy-set and have your kid shoot out of a good field-pod-style rest, you'll be in good shape.

That said, I'd say an inexperienced kid shooting at anything much further than 125 yards is a recipe for disappointment. Set up in a pop-up blind somewhere closer and you'll have a much better time.
 

Pookieray

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223 kills deer just fine way past 75 yards. It’s all in the bullet. Back before I knew any better, my deer rifle of choice was a AR chambered in 223 Wylde, pushing a 69 grain Federal Gold Medal Match out of a 16” barrel. I killed 9 deer with that combo from 50-280 yards before I decided I was a deer hunter again and needed a proper deer rifle. Now, I’ve got more “deer rifles” than I will ever use in a season.
me too.
 

Pilgrimdawg

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I love a .270, and both Browning and Remington make several models that are heavily-built. If you buy a bolt-action that's fairly heavy-set and have your kid shoot out of a good field-pod-style rest, you'll be in good shape.

That said, I'd say an inexperienced kid shooting at anything much further than 125 yards is a recipe for disappointment. Set up in a pop-up blind somewhere closer and you'll have a much better time.
Other than shooting pronghorns over a water hole there is very little opportunity to use a pop up blind out west. Totally different from hunting in the south. About 99 percent spot and stalk. Huge country with game spread out. Takes way more acres to feed pretty much anything. Trade the pop up in for quality binoculars and a good pair of hiking boots.
 

PooPopsBaldHead

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I love a .270, and both Browning and Remington make several models that are heavily-built. If you buy a bolt-action that's fairly heavy-set and have your kid shoot out of a good field-pod-style rest, you'll be in good shape.

That said, I'd say an inexperienced kid shooting at anything much further than 125 yards is a recipe for disappointment. Set up in a pop-up blind somewhere closer and you'll have a much better time.

Other than shooting pronghorns over a water hole there is very little opportunity to use a pop up blind out west. Totally different from hunting in the south. About 99 percent spot and stalk. Huge country with game spread out. Takes way more acres to feed pretty much anything. Trade the pop up in for quality binoculars and a good pair of hiking boots.
Pilgrim is correct. And I wish I had been clearer in the OP. The rifle is something that the kid(s) will grow into. They can't even go deer hunting until they are 10 here. I want them to spend a year or two on the range and get stretched out to at least 250-300 yards before we put in for any of those high country tags. Can they do it? We shall see.

If they get to the point where they can hunt out to 150 or so, but that's it... I'll take them whitetail or elk hunting in the woods. That exists too. But it's nothing like a backcountry hunt for mule deer.

500 yards is how far I want them to work out to on the range. Probably no longer than 350-400 in the field ever unless someone draws a bighorn sheep tag. No matter the distance of 50 to 400 yards, I believe your max range is determined by if conditions are ideal and you have earned the right to shoot that far by proving it on the range. If there's a 25 mph crosswind, anything over 250 is off the table for just about anyone. I also want to use the gun myself until one of them takes it over. I'd like to get some long distance work in at the range out past 500 yards for the practice and the fun. 6.5 C is capable of that and probably the most affordable option from an ammo standpoint.

Someone pointed out earlier in the thread that deer hunting at 500 yards is MOA shooting which is really difficult. I tend to think its more like 1.5-2 moa. Mule deer vitals are about the size of 2 milk jugs side by side where 1 MOA would suggest a 5" circle. Not that hard to hit within 300 yards with good form and practice in calm conditions. Out past that is where you really have to start dialing in your elevation, account for wind, and have really tight form.
 
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dogmatic001

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My apologies then. I thought we were talking about something for a kid to use now in the South. My mistake.

Considering your further information, I'm a huge, huge fan of the .300 Winchester Magnum. Typically they're chambered in rifles with a heavier build, so they really shouldn't produce much more felt recoil than a .30-06. The .300 Win is the ultimate North American caliber, IMO. You can load it up, load it down, do almost anything.

Barnes has a factory load, available through MidwayUSA.com, that offers a 180-grain ballistic-tipped copper solid that is the ultimate blow of death, in my experience. It strikes home like the wrath of an angry God. That said, you can easily find it loaded in many weights, from 220 grain down to 150 grain, and in many configurations. It's a great shooter.

You can buy a ported model if you like, but as long as the rifle chassis has reasonable weight, it won't beat up the shooter. Recoil is more of a push than a smack.

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