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If we can’t all get I support of this then all hope is truly lost.
That's the beauty of French women. They enjoy being female and sexy. They dress in a feminine way, carry themselves in a feminine way and don't have a bunch tats.
 
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I saw some TV ratings this morning and was wondering who the 1 person was that watched Rachel Maddow. Didnt figure it to be you.
She has a poly sci PHD but is largely no different than Fox peeps who just try to appeal to like-minded viewers. She should no better
 

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Pizza. Don't forget pizza. Every Frenchman is SE France will tell you that they, not the Italians, invented pizza. Also, the way we all have grills on the back deck, they all have outdoor brick pizza ovens.
There's good pizza in France. No doubt. I haven't heard they invented it, though. I'll let the Italians and French fight that battle. They're weird about food. Italians say Italian American food isn't Italian or all that good. They're obviously wrong.
 

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She's not just far right but she's an extra super duper far right extremist who is far right and extremist. She's a far right conservative. BTW, wtf is that?

Dude you're pointing out hypocrisy and claiming it represents a spot on the political spectrum. Try again. And you're just cynical. You wrote: "Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right." Can you point that out in the article? The article has this: "One answer is that a populist leader like Ms Le Pen doesn't fit neatly on to this simple left-right scale."

"includes support for a traditional way of life and having strong law and order policies." OMG, what kind of fascist supports law and order and likes French culture? That's madness, far right stuff. Extra far right if you ask me.

And, btw, this comment is absolutely sickening. There should be no favoritism shown to current French citizens and the people who helped make France an awesome country. Migrants and anyone claiming immigrant status should enjoy all the same rights. In fact, if you replace all current French people with Somalis nothing would change cause there's nothing unique or special about being French, amirite? And if you don't support open borders you're clearly far right: "Le Pen wants to change the constitution to legalise discrimination against immigrants and prioritise French nationals for employment and benefits. It sounds kind of left-wing but it's also extremely authoritarian at the same time." Notice "extremely authoritarian" rather than just "authoritarian." No bias there.

The left hyperventilates, calls all sorts of normal things far right, demonizes people for preferring their own culture and then wonder why people don't like leftoids. They said the same thing about Meloni in Italy. "She's a fascist. She's far right and dangerous" and yet she doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary. Macron embraces French culture as much as Le Pen. And the white, successful left in Paris do what white progressives do in America: live in lily white neighborhoods and enclaves but call others racists.
Your reading comprehension needs some work:

"Ms Le Pen does seem to be becoming more palatable to the electorate. While four in five people placed her to the most extreme right in survey responses in 2017, the same figures fell to fewer than three in four this year."
 

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If by "her own people," you mean the media, yeah, that's no surprise. Rachel Maddow went on a 20 minute rant last night calling Christians "ultra right wing" last night.

Le Pen is Bernie Sanders if he was anti-illegal immigration. Virtually nothing about her is "far right."

It's dishonest. But by all means, please keep going.
"Virtually nothing about her is "far right". It's dishonest. " RIGHT AFTER a link that shows things she is far right on. Drebin gonna Drebin.
 

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"Virtually nothing about her is "far right". It's dishonest. " RIGHT AFTER a link that shows things she is far right on. Drebin gonna Drebin.
Boom Boom refers to a media link RIGHT AFTER I disqualified it as a left wing media hack job, just like most left wing hack jobs against politicians that aren't progressive enough for them. Boom Boom gonna Boom Boom.
 

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Boom Boom refers to a media link RIGHT AFTER I disqualified it as a left wing media hack job, just like most left wing hack jobs against politicians that aren't progressive enough for them. Boom Boom gonna Boom Boom.
No idea of the leanings of the source, but I would assume the surveys they are referring to are accurate. Are you assuming they aren't?

Good to know that you are the decider on what gets disqualified.**
 

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Your reading comprehension needs some work:

"Ms Le Pen does seem to be becoming more palatable to the electorate. While four in five people placed her to the most extreme right in survey responses in 2017, the same figures fell to fewer than three in four this year."
You wrote: "Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right." To me that meant her voters. Why not just say the French? And less than 3 in 5 is apparently "overwhelmingly" as you wrote? What would 80% be? Extra super overwhelmingly?
 

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No idea of the leanings of the source, but I would assume the surveys they are referring to are accurate. Are you assuming they aren't?

Good to know that you are the decider on what gets disqualified.**
Yes, I'm assuming they aren't. Just like the surveys suggesting that Biden's approval rating is as high as 37%.

I'm honestly surprised that you've taken time away from mourning the Hunter Biden verdict to even be posting.
 

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"Virtually nothing about her is "far right". It's dishonest. " RIGHT AFTER a link that shows things she is far right on. Drebin gonna Drebin.
What is she 'far right" on? What specific policies mean someone is far right?
 

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Boom Boom refers to a media link RIGHT AFTER I disqualified it as a left wing media hack job, just like most left wing hack jobs against politicians that aren't progressive enough for them. Boom Boom gonna Boom Boom.
Hmm, you didn't actually say anything about the source, and of course are wrong as per usual:

Sky News operates under Ofcom broadcasting regulations which require impartial, unbiased coverage and prevent the channel from being encrypted in the UK. The channel is viewed by some in the media establishment as an impartial and unbiased provider of news.[67]

There are sources stating[68][69][70][71][72] that Sky News may be inherently biased because throughout the 1990s and 2000s it was minority-owned and dominated by Rupert Murdoch's right-leaning News Corporation, and thereafter the Murdoch family's 21st Century Fox. Many News Corp subsidiaries, including News Corp UK & Ireland Ltd, the owner of the Sun, Times and Sunday Times newspapers, have an openly conservative or right-wing outlook. In a 2010 article in the New Statesman, prominent journalist and broadcaster Mehdi Hasan argued that "in style and in substance, of course, it is nothing like the pro-war, pro-Republican, pro-Palin Fox News Channel... Sky News remains, as far as I can see, free of party political bias."[68] As of October 2018, Fox no longer has any stake in the broadcaster.[73]
 

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People don't give a damn politics, if they did, our country would be in better shape. The ones that love it only have a single slanted vision of government too. It becomes the blame game when there's never been just one good side. It's really a game of greed supported by fools at this point.
 

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Hmm, you didn't actually say anything about the source, and of course are wrong as per usual:

Sky News operates under Ofcom broadcasting regulations which require impartial, unbiased coverage and prevent the channel from being encrypted in the UK. The channel is viewed by some in the media establishment as an impartial and unbiased provider of news.[67]

There are sources stating[68][69][70][71][72] that Sky News may be inherently biased because throughout the 1990s and 2000s it was minority-owned and dominated by Rupert Murdoch's right-leaning News Corporation, and thereafter the Murdoch family's 21st Century Fox. Many News Corp subsidiaries, including News Corp UK & Ireland Ltd, the owner of the Sun, Times and Sunday Times newspapers, have an openly conservative or right-wing outlook. In a 2010 article in the New Statesman, prominent journalist and broadcaster Mehdi Hasan argued that "in style and in substance, of course, it is nothing like the pro-war, pro-Republican, pro-Palin Fox News Channel... Sky News remains, as far as I can see, free of party political bias."[68] As of October 2018, Fox no longer has any stake in the broadcaster.[73]
Cool.
 

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You wrote: "Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right." To me that meant her voters. Why not just say the French? And less than 3 in 5 is apparently "overwhelmingly" as you wrote? What would 80% be? Extra super overwhelmingly?
How much is enough to make it dishonorable to call someone dishonest for describing her that way?
 

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... many people who come to our country don't want to be French. They only come here to get free stuff from our government. It is so bad in some places that if you wear a t-shirt with a French flag on it, you will be called a racist."
Wow, does that sound familiar or what. Immigration these days has become so far removed from what was the original intent in the US - the "great melting pot" idea. It's a shame that a lot of people can't see that. It's also scary what allowing rampant illegal immigration (and thus massive non-assimilation) can do to rip a country apart in such a short amount of time.
 

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Here's the journalist on what constitutes being far right:
"The use of the word "French" is one key difference to Mr Macron's equivalent speech, where he used the word only twice, compared with Ms Le Pen's usage of it 11 times.

It hints at the central theme of Ms Le Pen's policies and what ultimately defines her status as being of the "far-right" - a nationalistic view of who gets to call themselves French." Anyone gets to call themselves anything. It think I'm gonna say I'm Mexican because I went on a cruise once. I'm also a woman. Thus, I'm not far right
 

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How much is enough to make it dishonorable to call someone dishonest for describing her that way?
Whateve. What specific policy positions constitute being far right as opposed to just on the right? What's the difference between a conservative and a far right extremist? Communists in power are typically culturally conservative. Doesn't make them conservative. This is simplistic labelling from someone who likely hasn't had a political ideologies class and is just assigning a label to someone they don't like
 

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If any American politician says America in a speech more than 5 times, that's a far right politician. Saying America or American 4 or fewer times is fine.***
 

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Whateve. What specific policy positions constitute being far right as opposed to just on the right? What's the difference between a conservative and a far right extremist? Communists in power are typically culturally conservative. Doesn't make them conservative. This is simplistic labelling from someone who likely hasn't had a political ideologies class and is just assigning a label to someone they don't like
Yeah, when the furthest 20% of peeps are the only ones not calling her far right, it's not ok to call her far right. Makes perfect sense. I needed more advanced poli Sci classes to understand that. **
 

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Yeah, when the furthest 20% of peeps are the only ones not calling her far right, it's not ok to call her far right. Makes perfect sense. I needed more advanced poli Sci classes to understand that. **
What specific policy positions constitute being far right as opposed to just on the right?
 

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What specific policy positions constitute being far right as opposed to just on the right?
Le Pen is opposed to globalization, which she blames for various negative economic trends, and opposes European Union supranationalism and federalism, instead favouring a loosely confederate 'Europe of the Nations'.[17] She has called for France to leave the Eurozone;[18] however, it was reported in May 2019 that she no longer wishes for France to leave the euro currency.[19] She has called for a referendum on France leaving the EU.[20] She has been a vocal opponent of the Treaty of Lisbon,[21] and opposes EU membership for Turkey and Ukraine.[22][23] Le Pen has pledged to take France out of NATO and the US sphere of influence.[citation needed] She proposes the replacement of the World Trade Organization,[24][25] and the abolition of the International Monetary Fund.[26]

Le Pen and the NF claim that multiculturalism has failed,[27] and argue for the "de-Islamisation" of French society.[28] Le Pen has called for a moratorium on legal immigration.[29] She would repeal laws allowing illegal immigrants to become legal residents,[30] and argues for benefits provided to immigrants to be reduced to remove incentives for new immigrants.[31] Following the beginning of the Arab Spring and the European migrant crisis, she called for France to withdraw from the Schengen Area and reinstate border controls.[32][33]

On foreign policy, Le Pen supports the establishment of a privileged partnership with Russia,[citation needed] and states that Ukraine has been "subjugated" by the United States.[34] She is strongly critical of NATO policy in the region, Eastern European anti-Russian sentiment,[34] and threats of economic sanctions.[23]
 

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Le Pen is opposed to globalization, which she blames for various negative economic trends, and opposes European Union supranationalism and federalism, instead favouring a loosely confederate 'Europe of the Nations'.[17] She has called for France to leave the Eurozone;[18] however, it was reported in May 2019 that she no longer wishes for France to leave the euro currency.[19] She has called for a referendum on France leaving the EU.[20] She has been a vocal opponent of the Treaty of Lisbon,[21] and opposes EU membership for Turkey and Ukraine.[22][23] Le Pen has pledged to take France out of NATO and the US sphere of influence.[citation needed] She proposes the replacement of the World Trade Organization,[24][25] and the abolition of the International Monetary Fund.[26]

Le Pen and the NF claim that multiculturalism has failed,[27] and argue for the "de-Islamisation" of French society.[28] Le Pen has called for a moratorium on legal immigration.[29] She would repeal laws allowing illegal immigrants to become legal residents,[30] and argues for benefits provided to immigrants to be reduced to remove incentives for new immigrants.[31] Following the beginning of the Arab Spring and the European migrant crisis, she called for France to withdraw from the Schengen Area and reinstate border controls.[32][33]

On foreign policy, Le Pen supports the establishment of a privileged partnership with Russia,[citation needed] and states that Ukraine has been "subjugated" by the United States.[34] She is strongly critical of NATO policy in the region, Eastern European anti-Russian sentiment,[34] and threats of economic sanctions.[23]
You should just link the entire wiki entry, not just the parts that you think more align with your opinion.
 

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You're pretty good at cutting and pasting. Well done. Any of these policies over the past couple of decades were supported and opposed by the right and left. Obama criticized Romney, for instance, for saying Russia was an enemy. Thus, Obama has some far right views I guess. Maybe try to do better.
If you're not for open borders, you're far right. Gotcha. "she called for France to withdraw from the Schengen Area and reinstate border controls"
Not wasting my time when you can't articulate what's on the far right.
 
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The far right in Europe and France really needs to be less anti-immigrant. After all, here's what Sweden did to help it's Somali population adjust to life in Sweden where you have topless beaches and really attractive Nordic women dressing in ways that highlight their attractiveness. Just hold classes telling migrants and immigrants that rape is bad and it's not o.k. to rape Swedish women and all will be fine. Only a far right bigot would disagreeGPyo3pOXAAAqkxQ.jpeg
 

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You're pretty good at cutting and pasting. Well done. Any of these policies over the past couple of decades were supported and opposed by the right and left. Obama criticized Romney, for instance, for saying Russia was an enemy. Thus, Obama has some far right views I guess. Maybe try to do better.
If you're not for open borders, you're far right. Gotcha. "she called for France to withdraw from the Schengen Area and reinstate border controls"
Not wasting my time when you can't articulate what's on the far right.
That's fair, I just don't have the time to write a dissertation. What I provided provides some insight into your question, more than enough for a reasonable person. I don't think you'd ever be satisfied with what "far right" is.
 

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Speaking of women, here's a recent list of countries that are the best for women and the worst for women. It's similar to the recent thread on what cities are best for families. I gotta admit, I'm not seeing any trend or pattern here, none whatsoever, so I don't understand why anyone other than a far right extremist might have some concerns about migration and immigration and suggesting it needs to be regulated. It looks maybe like countries that aren't good as soccer might also not support equal rights for women. I think. Or maybe these are countries still using leaded gas. FCD_l7YWYAoENm9 (2).jpeg
 
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The far right in Europe and France really needs to be less anti-immigrant. After all, here's what Sweden did to help it's Somali population adjust to life in Sweden where you have topless beaches and really attractive Nordic women dressing in ways that highlight their attractiveness. Just hold classes telling migrants and immigrants that rape is bad and it's not o.k. to rape Swedish women and all will be fine. Only a far right bigot would disagreeView attachment 589039

Wrong thread. That's a Swedish Erection, not a French one.
 

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French mustard is awesome, btw.
dude driving GIF
 

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I dropped in to see how in the hell this thread had 2 pages. Oof, I'm gonna go back to discussing ESPN media coverage.
 

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I did but I didn't wear high tops. Or socks.

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Well now I am trying to remember what type of shoes I would have worn as a middle schooler during the shortly lived tight roll fad.
I know the prior year was bright Umbro soccer shorts and Adidas Samba Classic soccer shoes, but cant remember what shoes I would have had during the French Roll fad.
It was Vans or Airwalks. Yup- those for sure during the French Roll fad.



This made me think about the trend that came shortly after the French Roll fad- it was a belt that only Jean could still love!
The longer the folded down section was, the cooler you were. You werent cool, unless you rocked at least a 9" braided belt dong.
 
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He called it because he wants to preserve his power. A: people rethink their vote for the French national assembly. His party wins. B: They don't and his party loses. He isn't up for reelection for another two years. He hopes two years of the national assembly run by the opposition will have them turn back to him. Of course there are other outcomes possible.
 

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Ya'll arguing over French politics while things are so bad here, we are getting less sugar on our Frosted Flakes and less cream on our double stuff Oreo Cookies.
 
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