OT: global stability seems to be wobbling a bit
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Throw all the creep show stuff out and he still isn't fit to be in government. He threw a tantrum and brought down the Speaker of the House against the will of the vast majority of his caucus. He then gummed up the works on his replacement for a much longer time than needed. It would have been different if he had a large portion of the caucus behind him, and had had an acceptable replacement waiting in the wings. That would have been acceptable hard ball politics. What he did was a grandstanding stunt because of a personal grudge. That led to the GOP having to work with the Democrats more than they wanted to in the House simply to get routine business done. He was crowing about holding the GOP to the cause, when in reality what he did was send things in somewhat the opposite direction. Don't look for him to be approved by the Senate.
This thread is the down syndrome offspring of a disaster of a football season. Can't wait for the post Egg Bowl political thread.
Can we drink again if I call it the uniparty?deep state
Someone said the Gaetz pick was a FU from the administration for the Thune pick
No telling and not worth rehashing the twitter rumors. For me, with some of the on record comments from people of his own party then there must be some legs to "it". Whatever it is. People generally protect their own party. With him, I'm not sure they would piss on him if he were on fire. Is that bc of something objectively illegal or did he just piss off the wrong egos? No real clue. Backstabbing seems commonplace. He must have crossed some kind of line that would be party damaging should it become public. With today's moral standards in politics - must be something pretty awful.
You are at the right message board.
True statement. I have a theory though. Since this thread is chaos I'll toss it out there.
I think the new Senate will want their cake and eat it too. They want to publicly grumble about questionable nominations. Greatest deliberative body and all. But they also want to give Trump what he wants without potential resistance that comes from the vetting process. Who wants to be bothered by The People? Pests.
Solution? Create some bogus reason to recess that Senate / House can't simply agree on and let Trump do it for them via Article II / Sec 3. Recess appointments made and senate can wipe their hands clean. "Well, I'm disappointed with the way it panned out, but my hands were tied".
That or Trump is 17ing with us and wants us to feel better when the final nomination goes to one of his personal attorneys.
Gaetz is probably the only nominee that could have problems. He has friends on both sides of isle supporting him and apposing him. I think it is 50/50 he makes it. If they still had the 60-vote threshold to get cabinet nominees through the senate he would not even have a chance. I think it comes down to what is in the house investigating committee have in their report or recess appointment.
I think it's pretty likely he didn't violate any laws. If they could have even painted it as possible, they would have charged him just for ***** and giggles.
But he probably was hooking up with girls that saw him as a sugar daddy, and he more or less admitted that he was "generous" with his dates and would fly them places and buy them things. And one of his running buddies was stupid and gross enough to do that with a 17 year old. And if there was a 17 year old, I suspect there were 18 to 22 year olds also. Nothing illegal about that, even if they are crossing state lines, but still not something a lot of people aren't going to like and if resigning actually keeps details from coming out (which I'm skeptical will be the case), then I can see him wanting to avoid that.
Really depends on what kind of promises Thune made that he feels obligated to stick to. McConnell would hold pro forma sessions just to thwart Trump. Thune presumably would too unless he made some promises not to and believes breaking them would hurt him personally.
ETA: I think recess appointments probably shouldn't be allowed anymore, or they to the extent they are, they should be truly temporary stop gap appointments, not two year ones. But they should have changed the process a long time ago, not just decide to change it when Orange Man Bad comes onto the scene, although to their credit, I think they kept the same rules in place through Biden also.
Yeah yeah his buddy was accidentally 17n a 17 year old.
no way he was not a chance none whatsoever
I got caught smoking cigs in high school but it was my buddy who was smoking I was just standing by him and holding the cigarette and occasionally took a drag
But he was smoking not me mom I swear
no way he was not a chance none whatsoever
I got caught smoking cigs in high school but it was my buddy who was smoking I was just standing by him and holding the cigarette and occasionally took a drag
But he was smoking not me mom I swear
Like in 2014 when Obama did it ? its right there if Trump elects to do it, and from all reports/legal opinions, there is nothing that can prevent it.
I hope that is the reality. Thune seems like the best case to preserve some sanity in process. Agree. Recess appointments are stupid. They served a purposes when Congress recessed for several months at a time and business had to get done. Not really applicable any longer aside from political gamesmanship and have been abused for while now. Pushback did start before Orange Man. Obama rightly got strong armed on this as well when he tried to skirt pro forma sessions by claiming they weren't real sessions of Congress. SCOTUS said something like (unanimously I think), "nope, Congress is in session when it says it's in session, actual agendas be damned". That was the right call.
To be clear, there's nothing unconstitutional about my theory. It would simply be cowardly on the senate's behalf by punting on a legitimate expectation the founders had for the senate to appease a potus. Probably more trouble than it's worth and they'll just confirm the guy after going through the motions.
Up until yesterday I rarely ever heard Gaetz' name without hearing Marjorie Taylor Greene's name in the same sentence. That in itself is enough to disqualify him with me. ***
2 thoughts:
1) provide the counts before him
2) did you miss the part where I said he got rightly strong armed because "recess appointments are stupid"
You just make up reasons to argue.
This is just stupid. As partisan as the DOJ and FBI have gotten, you think they just gave him a pass?
They would have loved to tag him. And it's not really surprising to me that he didn't leave himself in a position to be prosecuted, as sleazy people often know the law pretty well related to the areas they are sleazy in. I can't tell you when the line is crossed between a sugar daddy relationship and prostitution according to the law, but I bet the guys running around picking up late teen girls can tell you pretty clearly, especially if they are lawyers.
Cool cool
The guy knows he’s way around prostitution and trafficking laws
17 yeah let’s make him AG
Gaetz has friends on both sides of the aisle? I dont follow the guy and only know him from random crap short vids that are pushed to me, but that is shocking to read.
Gaetz has friends that oppose him?...thats even more wild than hearing he has friends on the left that support him.
He has friends in both the Democrat party and Republican Party. That's not laughable. As I said he has 50/50 chance of getting confirm. I would say it is even better. The Republicans in the Senate will do what Trump ask. They saw the numbers. He has the working class behind him. His election opened eyes but yes there will be people who like him who will not think he is the guy. Again, not laughable.
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No kidding, when that was announced I honestly expected her pop up as a nominee for something.
Hairdo a big disqualifier for me as well.**
Stolen from another board
Recess appointment is what Matt Gaetz calls a date
Recess appointment is what Matt Gaetz calls a date
As long as they clean up the DOJ, get the FBI back on the correct path, stop all the political prosecutions I don't care who it is. This DOJ is out of control and has to be fix.
MAGA crowd calling ANYONE a RINO is off the chart irony.I just can’t with you magats and your cutelittle nicknames and slogans
Rinos and deep states oh my
17 now I’m doing it
Remember when Schumer said the IC has "six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"? I do. And he was right.
The problem with government now is that it is owned by money and not voters. Fix that, and better government will follow.
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