OT: Great article on the difficulty of mfg here

[mstateglfr]

It was a long post.

Yes, it was a long post. I struggle with brevity when responding to lies and ignorance.

Perhaps he only responded to the one thing because too was typed. Or perhaps he only responded to the one thing because that was the only thing he hoped he could push back on. .


Oh, and you will be happy to know I typed all the words myself. No copy and pasting from a liberal website was done.
Clown.

 

[mstateglfr]

View attachment 787827

Looks like American manufacturing is NIMBY.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Sir! This is NOT a Wendy's! But it IS a Mississippi Sports Site! Time for the mods to start giving the boot to the political posts on the Sports pages!

Thanks in advance!

 

[GloryDawg]

Sir! This is NOT a Wendy's! But it IS a Mississippi Sports Site! Time for the mods to start giving the boot to the political posts on the Sports pages!

Thanks in advance!

Thats good and dandy but the mods sometimes participate.

 

[dorndawg]

Most American loooooove manufacturing, provided they themselves are not the ones working in a factory.

From the libertarian Cato Institute:

"America would be better off if it had more manufacturing jobs"
80% agree
20% disagree

"I personally would be better off working in manufacturing"
25% agree
73% disagree
2% currently work in a factory

https://www.cato.org/blog/americans-think-manufacturing-employment-greatfor-other-people

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Most American loooooove manufacturing, provided they themselves are not the ones working in a factory.

From the libertarian Cato Institute:

"America would be better off if it had more manufacturing jobs"
80% agree
20% disagree

"I personally would be better off working in manufacturing"
25% agree
73% disagree
2% currently work in a factory

https://www.cato.org/blog/americans-think-manufacturing-employment-greatfor-other-people

This rings true.

I like bacon but I don’t want a hog farm in my town.

 

[johnson86-1]

Most American loooooove manufacturing, provided they themselves are not the ones working in a factory.

From the libertarian Cato Institute:

"America would be better off if it had more manufacturing jobs"
80% agree
20% disagree

"I personally would be better off working in manufacturing"
25% agree
73% disagree
2% currently work in a factory

https://www.cato.org/blog/americans-think-manufacturing-employment-greatfor-other-people

This criticism makes no sense. 25% of the respondents say they would be better off working in manufacturing. If the survey sample were representative of workers overall (it's probably not, but may not be crazy off), that would mean roughly 25% of the work force thinks they'd be better off working in manufacturing. That's a **** ton of workers that agree with the 80% of respondents that think manufacturing jobs would be good for them (and america).

This would be like criticizing a survey because 80% wanted a higher minimum wage but only 25% thinking they'd benefit from a higher minimum wage. Doesn't mean the respondents are right by any means, but only 25% of respondents thinking they'd benefit from a higher minimum wage doesn't mean the 80% wanting a higher minimum wage are stupid. They think some portion of the population would benefit and some portion of the population agrees also thinks they would benefit.

 

[johnson86-1]

The number of foreign car manufacturers that have put domestic factories in the US keeps getting larger. It's somewhat confounding to me that Apple and Google can't assemble some of their cell phones in the United States, but BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Kia, Mazda, Volkswagen, Toyota and Hyundai can assemble some vehicles here. Seems like with Apple and Google's market cap and cash position they have plenty of capital to deploy domestic manufacturing plans

I'm sure it's not the only reason, but if you are shipping assembled Cars, you are shipping a lot of empty space. They just don't stack neatly and even if you could assemble them like a jigsaw, they are still mostly empty space on the interior, trunk, and to a lesser extent, engine compartment.

 

[dorndawg]

This criticism makes no sense. 25% of the respondents say they would be better off working in manufacturing. If the survey sample were representative of workers overall (it's probably not, but may not be crazy off), that would mean roughly 25% of the work force thinks they'd be better off working in manufacturing. That's a **** ton of workers that agree with the 80% of respondents that think manufacturing jobs would be good for them (and america).

This would be like criticizing a survey because 80% wanted a higher minimum wage but only 25% thinking they'd benefit from a higher minimum wage. Doesn't mean the respondents are right by any means, but only 25% of respondents thinking they'd benefit from a higher minimum wage doesn't mean the 80% wanting a higher minimum wage are stupid. They think some portion of the population would benefit and some portion of the population agrees also thinks they would benefit.

It very simply says "We'd all be better off if there were more factories here, so long of course as I personally am not working at them"

I'm guessing maybe you agree with that sentiment? It would then logically follow that the criticism "makes no sense".

 

[johnson86-1]

It very simply says "We'd all be better off if there were more factories here, so long of course as I personally am not working at them"

I think the more reasonable interpretation is that a lot of people think manufacturing jobs are not as good as their current job, but that they are still generally better than a lot of jobs in the US (guessing most people have in mind low wage jobs in the service sector), and a lot of people in the US are in jobs that they agree are not as good as what they think of as manufacturing jobs. Just googling, it looks like maybe 16% of US workers are considered low skill (although the only estimate I can find is dated and I have no clue what they are counting as low skill), so 25% of workers thinking they would rather be working in manufacturing might indicate even some people in semi-skilled or skilled jobs would still prefer to work in manufacturing (or at least think they would).

I'm guessing maybe you agree with that sentiment? It would then logically follow that the criticism "makes no sense".

The criticism makes no sense on its own and is irrelevant to whether you agree or disagree with the statement. I don't have a strong opinion on the statement. I think it's good to be able to produce things domestically, but I also think when people pine for manufacturing jobs they have an idealized version of a manufacturing job in their mind and also just assume that an unskilled manufacturing job is going to magically pay more than unskilled jobs in the service industry (or maybe they assume manufacturing jobs automatically means semi-skilled jobs that people can easily be trained for but still demand a high wage).

I don't know your opinion on it, but gun to my head, I would bet that you believe the minimum wage should be higher but also would not want to work for what you think the minimum wage should be. You not wanting to work for what you think the minimum wage should be does not mean you're obviously stupid or somehow hypocritical for wanting it.

 

[johnson86-1]

You more than anybody else that posts on this board, and by a large margin.

FTFY

 

[She Mate Me]

Let me just destroy democracy to save it…you forgot he’s talking about a 17n military parade like every other dictator in the world holds as a display of power. We’ve, in the span of a few months, realigned to be on the side of the bad guys and all MAGAs can say is “I’m still with Trump”. His cult like power is unbelievable but I’m seeing it…

I thought you were basically nuts the day he got shot and you were all over that thread making it obvious you were completely ok with it and then deciding he had staged it as a publicity stunt.

Absolutely nothing you've typed since has changed my opinion of your sanity or decency.

 

[She Mate Me]

Yes, it was a long post. I struggle with brevity.

You could have stopped here. That would show you're working on it.

 

[dudehead]

This is a good story on the Daily today about the immediate effects of the China tariffs: link. A former veteran successfully established a company that was on Shark Tank but current day economic realities of manufacturing in the US required her to manufacture in China. The China tariffs will kill her business. Sadly, she's hocked everything to finance the business. I bet there are a lot of businesses that are going to be hurt or ruined by our mercurial POTUS' tariff "policy."

 

[OG Goat Holder]

It very simply says "We'd all be better off if there were more factories here, so long of course as I personally am not working at them"

I'm guessing maybe you agree with that sentiment? It would then logically follow that the criticism "makes no sense".

Funny to me that people want more jobs around that they feel are lower than them, but if you start talking about white collar jobs, those same people start talking about 'cut, save, not needed, etc etc'. Look no further than the typical convo on here about school administrators, with most people here not realizing what an administrator even does.

How about we remove all administrators on a certain day, and check back in a couple weeks later and see how functional that school is. But HEY, we need more MuH tEaChErS.........you know, the ones who make less than me.

Jealousy and envy are as American as (name cliche here).

 

[dorndawg]

I think the more reasonable interpretation is that a lot of people think manufacturing jobs are not as good as their current job, but that they are still generally better than a lot of jobs in the US (guessing most people have in mind low wage jobs in the service sector), and a lot of people in the US are in jobs that they agree are not as good as what they think of as manufacturing jobs. Just googling, it looks like maybe 16% of US workers are considered low skill (although the only estimate I can find is dated and I have no clue what they are counting as low skill), so 25% of workers thinking they would rather be working in manufacturing might indicate even some people in semi-skilled or skilled jobs would still prefer to work in manufacturing (or at least think they would).


The criticism makes no sense on its own and is irrelevant to whether you agree or disagree with the statement. I don't have a strong opinion on the statement. I think it's good to be able to produce things domestically, but I also think when people pine for manufacturing jobs they have an idealized version of a manufacturing job in their mind and also just assume that an unskilled manufacturing job is going to magically pay more than unskilled jobs in the service industry (or maybe they assume manufacturing jobs automatically means semi-skilled jobs that people can easily be trained for but still demand a high wage).

I don't know your opinion on it, but gun to my head, I would bet that you believe the minimum wage should be higher but also would not want to work for what you think the minimum wage should be. You not wanting to work for what you think the minimum wage should be does not mean you're obviously stupid or somehow hypocritical for wanting it.

Man yall say glfr uses a lot of words...

 

[dorndawg]

Funny to me that people want more jobs around that they feel are lower than them, but if you start talking about white collar jobs, those same people start talking about 'cut, save, etc etc'. Look no further than the typical convo on here about school administrators, with most people here not realizing what an administrator even does.

How about we remove all administrators on a certain day, and check back in a couple weeks later and see how functional that school is. But HEY, we need more MuH tEaChErS.........you know, the ones who make less than me.

Jealousy and envy are as American as (name cliche here).

That's a bingo

 

[mstateglfr]

This rings true.

I like bacon but I don’t want a hog farm in my town.

Truth. My state easily leads the nation in hog production(by like 2-3x over the next state) and its 17ing awful for the environment. Even when the farms arent in your town though, you can be impacted significantly.

We have 25million hogs with each hog producing 1600 pounds of manure a year. So 40 billion pounds per year. Hogs, cattle, and chickens produce 100billion pounds per year.
And 3.25million people with each person producing 320 pounds of crap a year. So 1.04 billion pounds per year.

Hogs produce nearly 40 times more crap than humans in my state.


Its been reported that 2million fish in my state were killed due to manure spills this last decade.
And 179 spills occurred through the state during that same time period. 18 manure spills a year, and some were listed as spilling 1 million+ gallons of pigshit.
My metro has one of the largest nitrate removal facilities IN THE WORLD because of how bad water quality is. Nitrate levels are due to many things, not just pigshit spills, to be fair. Nitrate that is not absorbed by soil or crops when pigshit is sprayed on fields means that chemical goes...somewhere.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Stick with the program. The program is solid.

Not saying we won't get our hair mussed a little. but inevitably manufacturing jobs will come back. People will have to work in order to live or risk being shipped to a Salvadoran prison.

And America will FINALLY be great again.

Of maybe... just maybe... be GREAT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME.

 

[mstateglfr]

You could have stopped here. That would show you're working on it.

Nah- its a feature not a bug.
If someone cant manage to read competent analysis and can only focus long enough to read one sentence hot takes, thats on them.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

We have 25million hogs with each hog producing 1600 pounds of manure a year. So 40 billion pounds per year. Hogs, cattle, and chickens produce 100billion pounds per year.
And 3.25million people with each person producing 320 pounds of crap a year. So 1.04 billion pounds per year.

Hogs produce nearly 40 times more crap than humans in my state.

That's natural.

Why would anyone want to go against God's natural order?

And your nitrate exposure explains a lot.

We're grateful for your sacrifice.

 

[Sponge]

I don't think Trump's plan is really focused on returning manufacturing (broadly) to the US. I think this guy has a good read on the game plan:


He's continued to expand on that tweet over the last week, and has included links to his follow-ups in the replies to the original tweet, so read through those too.


Another good read:

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Manufacturing as we've known it, the kind now being done overseas with cheap and even slave labor is NEVER coming back.

Speaking of the natural order of things: we are in the "tertiary" stage of economics - the most advanced stage - in which services account for almost 80% of GDP here in the U.S.

If a factory should return it will be highly automated requiring very little - if any- unskilled labor.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Anybody else old enough to remember when we used to ***** about so many things being made in Japan ?

and then Taiwan!

 

[She Mate Me]

Nah- its a feature not a bug.
If someone cant manage to read competent analysis and can only focus long enough to read one sentence hot takes, thats on them.

It might cross your mind that, if quite a few reasonable people here think and communicate to you that you're too long winded, you might just be too long winded.

 

[She Mate Me]

Delete

 

[mstateglfr]

It might cross your mind that, if quite a few reasonable people here think and communicate to you that you're too long winded, you might just be too long winded.

noted.

 

[Podgy]

Did someone mention bacon? I'm about to start a riot: I think bacon is overrated and I rarely eat it. But ribs and pulled pork and most other things pork are great. I guess I have BDS

 

[aTotal360]

NVIDIA to Manufacture American-Made AI Supercomputers in US for First Time

NVIDIA is working with its manufacturing partners to design and build factories that, for the first time, will produce NVIDIA AI supercomputers entirely in the U.S.

blogs.nvidia.com

 

[mstateglfr]

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/5247815-nvidia-ai-chip-manufacturing/

The White House celebrated the announcement, stating it is “the Trump Effect in action.”

- “The reason they did it is because of the election on November 5 and because of a thing called tariffs,” he told reporters
- Trump has threatened a 32 percent tariff on products and goods from Taiwan, where many of Nvidia’s products are typically made
- but paused his new tariffs for 90 days for all countries except China.
- The Trump administration said Friday that electronics such as phones, computers, routers and semiconductor chips would be exempt from the “reciprocal” tariffs imposed on other nations, including China.
- But two days later, the administration clarified the exemption is only a temporary measure.
- Trump followed this up Sunday evening, stating he would announce tariffs on semiconductors soon.

Tariffs are enacted, no tariffs will have product exemptions, tariffs are paused, tariffs arent really paused since all have a 10% tariff, some products will now be exempt, China didnt have any paused tariffs, China will be included in some product exemptions, the exemptions are temporary, one tariff exemption will soon change.

Holy hell, that makes me dizzy to even recap. Thats all in the last week!


In reality, the NVIDIA CEO paid $1MM to have dinner at Mar-a-Lago(how is this not illegal?) and talked Trump Administration into not placing additional restrictions on an NVIDIA chip that could be sold to China.
This was agreed to because NVIDIA promised to invest in US based AI data centers.

Meanwhile, multiple lawmakers had been trying to get Trump to increase the chip ban restrictions to help stifle China. Trump agreed to give China MORE chips that are better than much of what they can produce domestically.

- NVIDIA pays $1MM for a dinner.
- NVIDIA gets to make money by selling China chips that were close to being banned.
- NVIDIA agrees to some domestic data centers...which will make them money.
- China gets chips they desperately need.


Try to square all that with how dangerous Trump claims China is.
That is the Trump Effect inaction.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

It very simply says "We'd all be better off if there were more factories here, so long of course as I personally am not working at them"

I'm guessing maybe you agree with that sentiment? It would then logically follow that the criticism "makes no sense".

So i've tried to read through a lot of this, but are you saying the bottom 25 to 50% of americans (income wise) wouldn't be willing to work in factories for good paying jobs?

Not just you but the left side in this thread and in general.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

Funny to me that people want more jobs around that they feel are lower than them, but if you start talking about white collar jobs, those same people start talking about 'cut, save, not needed, etc etc'. Look no further than the typical convo on here about school administrators, with most people here not realizing what an administrator even does.

How about we remove all administrators on a certain day, and check back in a couple weeks later and see how functional that school is. But HEY, we need more MuH tEaChErS.........you know, the ones who make less than me.

Jealousy and envy are as American as (name cliche here).

No one is saying to just simply cut certain admin jobs across the board.

But there are tons of superintendents making tons of money managing failing school districts and they have plenty of $ resources.

And no one is jealous of those people. And least not in the vast sense you are implying.

 

[L4Dawg]

As a Manfacturing Engineering Consultant I feel dumber for reading this article. The only thing I agree with is that we should raise the tariffs even higher.

So is that going to be good or bad for the US consumer?

 

[L4Dawg]

So the country is going to give up on MAGA, and turn to Communism? Could happen I suppose. The whole world is turning slowly toward Socialism/Communism. Most of the last holdouts are in the Western Hemisphere, basically the Americas. Canada is very socialistic, but many of their people are not. The Bible does detail this progression very well. Hard to tell where the world is prophetically, but it seems we're much further along than I thought. Trump admin. could very well be the last death throes of freedom & liberty.

That so many think that the choice is between MAGA and communism on one side, and between progressivism and fascism on the other side, is the biggest thing wrong with this country right now.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

That so many think that the choice is between MAGA and communism on one side, and between progressivism and fascism on the other side, is the biggest thing wrong with this country right now.

That so many people label trump supporters MAGA like it’s some terrible movement is a big part of what’s wrong with this country.

I like success. I don’t care if trump tweets crazy things. But I really really hate hypocrisy.

build the wall was racist except 4 other presidents did it. Multiple democrat candidates supported it.

kids in cages was despicable and no explanation could make that one picture better until we found out that picture was in 2014 under Obama.

cutting the federal government? Obama wanted to do it. Even did it a little just not nearly enough.

election deniers - except we heard about Russian collusion for 4 17ing years.

Trumps first term was phenomenal by most all metrics but covid got him.

I imagine this term is gonna be about the same. But if the economy fails or significantly stumbles I’ll say it. But ffs why don’t you idiots wait a year or two to judge him.

 

[paindonthurtDCD2]

Also since we are discussing idiots and lazy 17s.



Sure none of these people will work in a factory to pay this back!

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I think if you tried to “improve” it, there would be pushback from workers and unions. The American workforce has a sense of entitlement that’s been baked in over the years and it’s not going to go backwards (or what they perceive as backwards).

That’s where overseas manufacturing comes into play. You can just plop a factory in India or Bangladesh where a living wage is a fraction of what it is here and there’s people lined up to work for it.

I worked in a factory from the age of 13 through my first couple years of college. It wasn't bad at all and they never lacked people willing to work. In fact, I was given a scholarship through them that paid for my first couple years of school. Now, it's not that they're entitled, it's that they're sorry as hell! Society has bottomed out and the focus on social BS has made it worse.
We've got mother17ers showing up for interviews in damn sweat pants with blue hair and none of them have held a job more than a year. They're straight up sorry as hell! Plenty of them available though.

 

[mstateglfr]

I worked in a factory from the age of 13 through my first couple years of college.

You worked in a factory when you were 13? Are you old enough to know Henry Ford?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

You worked in a factory when you were 13? Are you old enough to know Henry Ford?

You can get waiver of the law for work just like you can for drivers license because I drove myself too- No Ford, a Datsun.

 

[HotMop]

This is a good story on the Daily today about the immediate effects of the China tariffs: link. A former veteran successfully established a company that was on Shark Tank but current day economic realities of manufacturing in the US required her to manufacture in China. The China tariffs will kill her business. Sadly, she's hocked everything to finance the business. I bet there are a lot of businesses that are going to be hurt or ruined by our mercurial POTUS' tariff "policy."

Ok, 17 her.