OT: Honda and Nissan merging. What happens in Canton?

L4Dawg

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I saw something the other day that said Nisson was close to going under. I guess Honda is the savior.
 

615dawg

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I saw something the other day that said Nisson was close to going under. I guess Honda is the savior.
This is their bailout. Honda already has a plant in Alabama. Nissan has plants in Mississippi and Tennessee.
 

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So is this for the entire company or just the electric market? I’m curious to see how the merge the brands that respectively have.
I’m also curious since Nissan is based here.
 

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So is this for the entire company or just the electric market? I’m curious to see how the merge the brands that respectively have.
I’m also curious since Nissan is based here.
Entire company. Nissan is on the brink of bankruptcy. Japan doesn’t do bailouts the same way we do. This has been rumored for a couple weeks that Japanese government would favor a Honda-Nissan merger in order to save Nissan.

My question is what does that do for the Canton, Mississippi plant. Canton builds the Altima, Frontier and Titan. Nissan has already scrapped the Titan. I assume Honda-Nissan would keep the Frontier, but Accord is a better seller than Altima. Rogue, Murano and Pathfinder are built in Tennessee plant for Nissan. Alabama Honda plant builds their minivans, SUVs and the Ridgeline.

it would be devastating to Mississippi to lose that Nissan plant.
 

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I am always amazed that there are people who would buy a Honda Ridgeline. I think I would buy a Tesla Cyber Truck before I bought one of those...
I wouldn't go that far, but the Ridgeline is definitely ugly. However, it doesn't hold an ugliness candle to the Cyber Truck. I see those driving around almost daily and wonder why somebody would buy something like that.
 

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So is this for the entire company or just the electric market? I’m curious to see how the merge the brands that respectively have.
I’m also curious since Nissan is based here.
Everything is what I read. Combing forces and folding Mitsubishi in to the mix. Both are falling behind and losing market share to Chinese EV companies.

The ICE auto market is pretty much going to become a niche business outside of the US over the next 10-20 years. The US market is unique in how much and how far we drive and our lack of decent public transportation. Even in the US we are projected to be 50% EV by 2035.

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I used to have a Datsun Pickup Truck… that thing is probably still running somewhere…. The only bad thing was you had to replace the clutch occasionally…
I had a 1976 Datsun B-210. Great little car, and the only option on it was the radio (radios were optional equipment then). No AC. But it only got 30 mpg on the highway. Now, a Corvette will do that, or better, on the highway with normal driving.
 

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Lots of rumors at the plant. 9000 worldwide getting laid off. Production cut backs of course. Nissan is broke since Renault left. They need a cash influx. Hopefully Honda can help them out. Not sure what's in it for Honda tho but we will see.
 

615dawg

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Lots of rumors at the plant. 9000 worldwide getting laid off. Production cut backs of course. Nissan is broke since Renault left. They need a cash influx. Hopefully Honda can help them out. Not sure what's in it for Honda tho but we will see.
Nothing is in it for Honda. It's a forced marriage by the Japanese government. Honda doesn't want it. I had no idea Nissan had dropped off so badly.
 
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Altimas with half the front bumper hanging off and huge dent in the rear passenger quarter panel are by the far the most popular car in Jxn.

speaking of Jackson, did you see the news where our beloved Capital City was the No. 1 place in America for HIV and AIDS. Not per capita. Straight up No. 1.
 
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speaking of Jackson, did you see the news where our beloved Capital City was the No. 1 place in America for HIV and AIDS. Not per capita. Straight up No. 1.
Not surprising. I'm also seeing a lot of billboards around the Jackson Metro about Syphillis testing and prevention.
 
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The ICE auto market is pretty much going to become a niche business outside of the US over the next 10-20 years. The US market is unique in how much and how far we drive and our lack of decent public transportation. Even in the US we are projected to be 50% EV by 2035.
We have been hearing “the ICE market will soon be a niche business” since the 2000’s. Here it is a few days from 2025 and crude oil drilling is still booming while EV charging infrastructure is still practically nonexistent outside of Tesla. And even Tesla is fairly scarce considering.

And 50% EV in 10 years? Not happening. There would have to be more sales of EVs happening right now to meet that. And Ford has even scaled back its EV production.
 

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Yep it’s goofy as hell. But no matter what we still gonna need oil and gas.
Agreed. Oil will be critical for many things, nat gas even more so with energy production. But it will lose its role as the primary energy source for day to day transportation in the next decade or two.

I don't know why people get so pissed off when EV is mentioned. I mean, I hope it's because of the subsidies and mandates which is just more interference in the free market. But electric motors are way better than internal combustion and will eventually dominate the vehicle market. Even the US truck market. Batteries are the problem... for now, but if they improve as much they have in the last decade in the next you are looking at 650+ mile range.

Infrastructure feels like more of an opportunity than a problem. It could be a 20 year boom in our economy to rebuild our infrastructure switching from an ICE based world to electric. It's going to happen. Look at the market, aka the money.


Tesla is worth more than the next 60 automakers combined
Exxon plans to be one of the leading lithium suppliers in the world by 2030
Shell plans to close 1000 gas stations and have 200,000 EV charging points by 2030
 

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Agreed. Oil will be critical for many things, nat gas even more so with energy production. But it will lose its role as the primary energy source for day to day transportation in the next decade or two.

I don't know why people get so pissed off when EV is mentioned. I mean, I hope it's because of the subsidies and mandates which is just more interference in the free market. But electric motors are way better than internal combustion and will eventually dominate the vehicle market. Even the US truck market. Batteries are the problem... for now, but if they improve as much they have in the last decade in the next you are looking at 650+ mile range.

Infrastructure feels like more of an opportunity than a problem. It could be a 20 year boom in our economy to rebuild our infrastructure switching from an ICE based world to electric. It's going to happen. Look at the market, aka the money.


Tesla is worth more than the next 60 automakers combined
Exxon plans to be one of the leading lithium suppliers in the world by 2030
Shell plans to close 1000 gas stations and have 200,000 EV charging points by 2030
If people only knew how many things like busses….are now becoming electric…
 
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We have been hearing “the ICE market will soon be a niche business” since the 2000’s. Here it is a few days from 2025 and crude oil drilling is still booming while EV charging infrastructure is still practically nonexistent outside of Tesla. And even Tesla is fairly scarce considering.

And 50% EV in 10 years? Not happening. There would have to be more sales of EVs happening right now to meet that. And Ford has even scaled back its EV production.

EV's are not just battery only electric vehicles (BEV's), but PHEV's, and hybrids as well. And 50% isn't my number, it's from JD power. Maybe its 40% or maybe its 60%, but we are already at 21%.


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I live in one of the most remote areas of the lower 48. It's over 100 miles to McDonald's or Wal-Mart. I currently drive a good old fashioned F-250 gas guzzler. My wife has a PHEV Jeep. Her next car will likely be all electric. Mine while hopefully by a hybrid or BEV with range extender for towing. My 82 year old neighbor just ordered a Cybertruck after driving his wife's Cybertruck. My other neighbor just got a new Rivian. I actually reserved a Lightning years ago and when it finally came out it was nowhere near ready for what I need. But somebody is going to make a full size or heavy duty plug-in hybrid truck in the next 5 years and it will be a game changer.

Once you drive a good EV and feel the quiet and smooth ride it's hard to go back. Once you feel the torque and instant power, it's hard to go back. Much like cell phone's it's hit critical mass. Adoption will take a little time as we tend to keep vehicles for 4-5 years so many people who want one, haven't hit the market yet. Most people that have one, will continue to drive one as well.

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