OT: Honda and Nissan merging. What happens in Canton?

Howiefeltersnstch

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No, he certainly isn't a Communist. he is a Muskist. You do remember where his fortune is based right? You might just see an outright ban on ICE if he has HIS way. He certainly will protect the current hostile climate to ICE.
Space X ? The Boring Company ? No we won't. We will have to agree to disagree there
 

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Absolutely! Beautiful design.

When I was in college all the baller kids had Nissan Maximas. I couldn't pick out a Maxima on the street today without its badge and Altimas have replaced Monte Carlos as the official vehicle of White Trash/Ghetto.
WHOA buddy, I've seen a lot of things in this thread that I'm not quite sure are right, but I simply WILL NOT tolerate Monte Carlo slander.

You trying to tell me this is trashy? 17 outta here.

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mstateglfr

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You forgot the sarcasterisks. Elon is not a communist
Oh dang, you were serious with your earlier comment?
Well then insert the Princess Bride Inigo Montoya meme here because that word doesnt mean what you think it means because communists arent in the Executive branch right now either.
 

Howiefeltersnstch

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Oh dang, you were serious with your earlier comment?
Well then insert the Princess Bride Inigo Montoya meme here because that word doesnt mean what you think it means because communists arent in the Executive branch right now either.
No need in having this discussion with other communists. I appreciate your interest but I will pass
 
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thatsbaseball

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Nothing is in it for Honda. It's a forced marriage by the Japanese government. Honda doesn't want it. I had no idea Nissan had dropped off so badly.
Trucks and commercial vehicles maybe ? Also there could be some valuable "intellectual" properties involved. I remember when Tenneco bought a bankrupt International Harvester company to merge with Case the IH equipment was horrible but they had some really good stuff on the "drawing board" that they couldn't afford to retool and build but I am strictly guessing about Honda's reasons.
 

mstateglfr

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No need in having this discussion with other communists. I appreciate your interest but I will pass
Ha, you really need to learn what that word means. I know that ignorance is bliss, but come on now- that is something everyone is taught in a basic HS Civics class.

Spoiler- Biden and his Administration also arent socialists. That is another term you should really look into understanding.

The fact that society uses some instances where a city owns and runs a utility like a Water Dept, doesnt mean anyone who supports such a setup is a socialist.
And to be very clear, socialism and communism are not the same thing. That shouldnt be something an adult feels they need to say to another adult, since it should be known and understood by anyone over 18, but based on you saying 'communism' multiple times in this thread, it seems like you need that clarification.
 

greenbean.sixpack

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You may laugh, but that is how adoption curves work. When color TVs were first introduced, no one wanted one. They were big, expensive, and there weren't many shows broadcast in color. Then the prices came down, color broadcasts went up, and within a couple if years color TVs were the norm. Nearly identical adoption of HDTV.

America and South Korea have been slow to adopt EVs. In most countries, EVs went from 5% of new car sales to 15% in under 3 years. We are taking closer to 4 years. But we will reach a mass adoption point where sales will accelerate rapidly.

I agree that 2030 could be overly optimistic to achieve 50% of new car sales, unless we get solid state batteries with over 600 mile ranges. But 2032 seems almost certain.

By 2035, our options for new ICE vehicles will probably be severely limited.
Have you ever been to other countries? In many countries, especially those in Europe and Asia, people don't drive like us. I have a buddy (AF EOD) who married a german gal, he said everything her family does is in the village, they eat the food in their village and drink the beer produced in their village. They may have family members 20 miles away and rarely travel to see them. Plus they have trains for short and long distances (which is an awesome way to travel). Many middle class don't even own vehicles.

Even it they stopped selling ICE vehicles in 2028, when Supreme Leader Elon takes over, we still wouldn't have 50% EVs on the road in the US by 2035.

EVs have their place and role, but they are not a good fit for many of us in flyover country. The much ballyhooed 300 mile range is really more like 200 or even less - if you are running the AC, towing, taking on hills and mountains. etc.

In 2021, $7.5bil was allocated by congress to build EV charging stations across the country, as of May 2024 a grand total of 8 are up and running. I don't think many understand the infrastructure required.
 

mstateglfr

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Have you ever been to other countries? In many countries, especially those in Europe and Asia, people don't drive like us. I have a buddy (AF EOD) who married a german gal, he said everything her family does is in the village, they eat the food in their village and drink the beer produced in their village. They may have family members 20 miles away and rarely travel to see them. Plus they have trains for short and long distances (which is an awesome way to travel). Many middle class don't even own vehicles.
We drove into Chicago this past weekend to be Godparents for a Baptism. On the way out of the city(actual city, not just Metro), we talked about how much different life would be if we lived in a large dense city and the lack of travel beyond maybe 10mi was one thing mentioned. A lot of the conversation focused on how it would be easier as a couple before kids or with young kids, but become significantly more difficult as kids got into more activities.

I think about that mindset a lot- how its different in the US vs other countries, or even different between large dense city living and suburban or rural living in the US.
The distance people in the US travel each year for work, life errands, and hobbies sure seems to be larger when compared to many Northern and Western European countries.
 

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Trucks and commercial vehicles maybe ? Also there could be some valuable "intellectual" properties involved. I remember when Tenneco bought a bankrupt International Harvester company to merge with Case the IH equipment was horrible but they had some really good stuff on the "drawing board" that they couldn't afford to retool and build but I am strictly guessing about Honda's reasons.
Mismanagement and greed killed IH. They had been on a downhill slide from the late 70s. In the 80s they started cutting back on design and innovation and put out some real duds.

I know the guy that basically ran the day to day operations at the IH plant in Memphis. He was the last one out the day they shut down and put the chain and padlock on the door.

 
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Mismanagement and greed killed IH. They had been on a downhill slide from the late 70s. In the 80s they started cutting back on design and innovation and put out some real duds.

I know the guy that basically ran the day to day operations at the IH plant in Memphis. He was the last one out the day they shut down and put the chain and padlock on the door.


If you ever want the gory details read this
 

Howiefeltersnstch

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Ha, you really need to learn what that word means. I know that ignorance is bliss, but come on now- that is something everyone is taught in a basic HS Civics class.

Spoiler- Biden and his Administration also arent socialists. That is another term you should really look into understanding.

The fact that society uses some instances where a city owns and runs a utility like a Water Dept, doesnt mean anyone who supports such a setup is a socialist.
And to be very clear, socialism and communism are not the same thing. That shouldnt be something an adult feels they need to say to another adult, since it should be known and understood by anyone over 18, but based on you saying 'communism' multiple times in this thread, it seems like you need that clarification.
Ok commie. Thanks for your unrequested input
 

johnson86-1

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We drove into Chicago this past weekend to be Godparents for a Baptism. On the way out of the city(actual city, not just Metro), we talked about how much different life would be if we lived in a large dense city and the lack of travel beyond maybe 10mi was one thing mentioned. A lot of the conversation focused on how it would be easier as a couple before kids or with young kids, but become significantly more difficult as kids got into more activities.

I think about that mindset a lot- how its different in the US vs other countries, or even different between large dense city living and suburban or rural living in the US.
The distance people in the US travel each year for work, life errands, and hobbies sure seems to be larger when compared to many Northern and Western European countries.
It is really weird how "we're" mostly from "there", but we have very different attitudes. Some of it is just accidents of history; they developed cities before the automobile so it makes sense that they would have cities better able to handle carless families. But the difference in attitudes is real too. You get 15 minutes outside of some of their major cities and you are in farmland, where as basically 15 minutes out of any major city in the US is still the inner suburbs and you have another 45 minutes of driving to get to farmland.

Our living standards are obviously materially better and it's much "cheaper" to by the everyday necessities for us, but man do we give up some quality of life for it.
 
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