OT: National Park in Mississippi

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If you had to choose a place in Mississippi to turn into a National Park where would you choose? I would have to say somewhere in the Delta where you could incorporate natural landscape (Forrest/Swamp/River) with cultural history. Considering the Delta is dying and needs something would this work?
 

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Issaquena County is already the lowest populated county in the state and it’s on the river. May be a good spot.

Issaquena National Park
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Glacier National Park
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The Japanese are going to 17ing attack Pearl Harbor again if you trick them into visiting the Delta by putting a national park there. What are the tourists supposed to do, watch a 17ing bean sprout in plantin' season?
 

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I don't know the logistics of creating a National Park, but the Pascagoula River is pretty unique in that it is, I think, the largest unaffected (meaning basically undammed) river in the Eastern US and possibly all of the Continental US.

Seems like that will be a more and more rare thing unless rivers are protected in some way. I believe the Pascagoula basin is kind of a birding paradise because so many migrating species use the huge acreage as a resting place after crossing the Gulf of Merica (17 yeah!!)
 

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I don't know the logistics of creating a National Park, but the Pascagoula River is pretty unique in that it is, I think, the largest unaffected (meaning basically undammed) river in the Eastern US and possibly all of the Continental US.

Seems like that will be a more and more rare thing unless rivers are protected in some way. I believe the Pascagoula basin is kind of a birding paradise because so many migrating species use the huge acreage as a resting place after crossing the Gulf of Merica (17 yeah!!)
I don't know what "unaffected" technically means, but I do know about undamned. I's a big deal out west because of the salmon/steelhead migrations

The Pascagoula River is only 80 miles long. The Salmon River is the longest undamned river in the western US at 425 miles and the home of the longest salmon migration in the US. The Yellowstone River is the longest in the east and thus lower 48 at 692 miles long. When talking east and west in rivers we are talking continental divide or whether the water ends up in the Pacific or Atlantic/Gulf.

Sockeye and steelhead runs are super interesting if you have never read about them. They return inland as far as Idaho to spawn and the smolt will spend up to 3 years in freshwater before going to the ocean. Steelhead are genetically identical to rainbows, but these crazy 17ers decide to swim to the ocean for some reason, grow up and return to where they were born to spawn. Unlike salmon, some steelhead will actually head back to the ocean and do it all again. Fascinating to me that rainbow and steelhead are the same species.


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I was smallmouth fishing in the Salmon River back in September and hooked a fall chinook on a crankbait. It bent the hook and got away, but that 17er fought like a 1200lb marlin.
 
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There are only 63 sites with the “National Park” designation. MS has none.

Yep. Their are many other designations under the NPS... Monuments, wild and scenic rivers, preserves, seashores, lakeshores, recreation areas, etc. 433 in all, but only 63 National Parks.

If you're looking to avoid crowds, definitely look up the NPS national recreation area. I can think of 3-4 that would be in consideration of the top 10 National Parks if they were designated as parks. The difference is in national recreation areas there are way fewer people and you can do more stuff. Like hunt.
 
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I don't know what "unaffected" technically means
The unaffected for the ‘goula has to do with the discharge rate and that it drains to the Gulf.

“It is significant as the only unaffected (or nearly so) river with a discharge of over 10 cubic kilometres (2.4 cu mi) per year flowing from the United States into the Gulf of Mexico, and indeed the only one in the Cfa Köppen climate classification zone anywhere in the world, with the nearest approaches being the Juquiá and Itajaí in southeastern Brazil[3] (The Yuan Jiangand Shinano Gawa are comparable to those Brazilian rivers but are only marginally in the Cfa zone). As a result, the Pascagoula has, in modern times, been the focus of a great deal of effort regarding its conservation[4] to prevent the construction of dams on it.”

 
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I would say upgrade the Gulf Islands National Seashore to a national park.
That would probably be good for the coast I guess but that is probably the one place in Mississippi that I would not want more visitors for. Guess t
Issaquena National Park
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Glacier National Park
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The Japanese are going to 17ing attack Pearl Harbor again if you trick them into visiting the Delta by putting a national park there. What are the tourists supposed to do, watch a 17ing bean sprout in plantin' season?
yea, I don’t know if I’m judging them unfairly because it’s not novel to me like the views out west are, but even if you looke at the barrier islands, as great as they are, I’m not sure they’re competitive with good national parks. They’re undeveloped beach, which is awesome, but I’m not sure how big of a draw that would be.
 

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Somewhere from Vicksburg to the Louisiana line, south of Natchez.

But it's a futile effort. Look around at other National Parks. Nothing we have compares, as far as natural things. We have some history that we could have built around maybe, but like I said in the thread a week or so ago, missed the boat on that.

Real tourism in the state of MS is generally a non-starter. Be happy with bike traffic on the Trace. It's no coincidence to me, that the 2 best hikes (if you can call them that) are at the extreme corners of the state on the borders.
 
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PooPopsBaldHead

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Somewhere from Vicksburg to the Louisiana line, south of Natchez.

But it's a futile effort. Look around at other National Parks. Nothing we have compares, as far as natural things. We have some history that we could have built around maybe, but like I said in the thread a week or so ago, missed the boat on that.

Tourism in the state of MS is generally a non-starter. Be happy with bike traffic on the Trace.
I dunno, there are some stupid National Parks out there.

I think about 20-30 of them should be reclassified. Congaree, Gateway Arch, and Cuyahoga appear to be especially crappy. Coolest one nobody goes to... North Cascades. As beautiful and breathtaking as Glacier when the sun is out.

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ive read that the Tombigbee River watershed is one of the most unique areas in the US. It contains flora and fauna that not found anywhere else in the US. I really don’t see anything there that people would want to see and it’s pretty well developed beyond what a National park would be but it is unique.
 
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Horn Island. The locals know. Clear water. Natural white sand beaches. Boats beached all along it in summer with music playing and people floating and having the drink of their choice.
 

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Vicksburg National Military Park should be a huge attraction but it’s underfunded, poorly maintained (just cutting the grass the last few years had been a challenge), and rarely upgraded. They could make the Cairo and the adjacent museum much better with a major renovation. The visitor’s center looks like it was built in the 50s. They should have added something near the Illinois monument years ago and actually have the original park office just down the hill. Fort Hill could also have something cool added to it (some sort of observatory with telescopes, etc.).

I think it would be great if they just fully funded what we have rather than adding another one elsewhere. It could be so much more than just a military focus. I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either. Could you imagine living in Pennsylvania and never gone to Gettysburg?
 

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I always thought the trace was a national park. Is Mount Rushmore a national park? If that tourist trap gets to be called a national park, than give us three.
 
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I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either.

Raises hand on never really going and living within an hour or so. I went as a kid of probably 10 or 12 in the early 70's and HATED every moment of it. For a kid it was like riding through a boring cemetery and seeing monument after monument after monument and hills and kudzu. It was hot, and miserable.
Then I lived in Brandon for over 20 years later in life and never went, never really thought about it unless I was driving through Vicksburg and thought, "I should go there!". I would enjoy it now a lot more.

I've been in Starkville now since before the Grant Presidential Library and Lincolniana Exhibit started and still haven't been to them. You'd never know I love history and thought about being a History major and teaching.......
 

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Issaquena National Park
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Glacier National Park
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The Japanese are going to 17ing attack Pearl Harbor again if you trick them into visiting the Delta by putting a national park there. What are the tourists supposed to do, watch a 17ing bean sprout in plantin' season?
Imagine the dude in New Jersey who testifies against a mob boss and gets put in WITSEC working at the Issaquena National Park...
 

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Vicksburg National Military Park should be a huge attraction but it’s underfunded, poorly maintained (just cutting the grass the last few years had been a challenge), and rarely upgraded. They could make the Cairo and the adjacent museum much better with a major renovation. The visitor’s center looks like it was built in the 50s. They should have added something near the Illinois monument years ago and actually have the original park office just down the hill. Fort Hill could also have something cool added to it (some sort of observatory with telescopes, etc.).

I think it would be great if they just fully funded what we have rather than adding another one elsewhere. It could be so much more than just a military focus. I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either. Could you imagine living in Pennsylvania and never gone to Gettysburg?
I lived 45 minutes away for 30 years before I finally went over and visited it a few years ago. It is a beautiful and moving site to see. Really outstanding. But I agree with your comments that the visitors / information center could be so much more. It could be a much bigger tourist attraction than it is.
 

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Vicksburg National Military Park should be a huge attraction but it’s underfunded, poorly maintained (just cutting the grass the last few years had been a challenge), and rarely upgraded. They could make the Cairo and the adjacent museum much better with a major renovation. The visitor’s center looks like it was built in the 50s. They should have added something near the Illinois monument years ago and actually have the original park office just down the hill. Fort Hill could also have something cool added to it (some sort of observatory with telescopes, etc.).

I think it would be great if they just fully funded what we have rather than adding another one elsewhere. It could be so much more than just a military focus. I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either. Could you imagine living in Pennsylvania and never gone to Gettysburg?
I lived 45 minutes away for 30 years before I finally went over and visited it a few years ago. It is a beautiful and moving site to see. Really outstanding. But I agree with your comments that the visitors / information center could be so much more. It could be a much bigger tourist attraction than it is.
There may never be a bigger wasted opportunity than Vicksburg, on the whole.
 
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The Natchez Trace is part of the National Park Service, so how isn't there a National Park in Mississippi?
I always thought the trace was a national park. Is Mount Rushmore a national park? If that tourist trap gets to be called a national park, than give us three.
I believe it's technically a Recreational Area. But yeah, maintained by the NPS.
 

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I dunno, there are some stupid National Parks out there.

I think about 20-30 of them should be reclassified. Congaree, Gateway Arch, and Cuyahoga appear to be especially crappy. Coolest one nobody goes to... North Cascades. As beautiful and breathtaking as Glacier when the sun is out.
I didn't realize the Arch was a Park. So yeah that's kinda dumb.

If we had made Vicksburg our capital, and it had grown, I could see maybe the area south of there, to Port Gibson, down to Natchez, and all that area around Clear Creek could have been a good park and trail system. Area west of Meadville too, basically the Homochitto National Forest as is.

Natchez could have been our Gatlinburg. (ETA *************************************) @dorndawg
 
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