OT: National Park in Mississippi

Darryl Steight

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Vicksburg National Military Park should be a huge attraction but it’s underfunded, poorly maintained (just cutting the grass the last few years had been a challenge), and rarely upgraded. They could make the Cairo and the adjacent museum much better with a major renovation. The visitor’s center looks like it was built in the 50s. They should have added something near the Illinois monument years ago and actually have the original park office just down the hill. Fort Hill could also have something cool added to it (some sort of observatory with telescopes, etc.).

I think it would be great if they just fully funded what we have rather than adding another one elsewhere. It could be so much more than just a military focus. I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either. Could you imagine living in Pennsylvania and never gone to Gettysburg?
This is the answer. I actually thought it was already a national park, as it should be. I assume it will have a better chance after the new museum they just announced is built. I just saw an article about it a few weeks ago. Supposed to open in 2028 and will be a huge deal for Mississippi.
 

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But truthfully based on the topography around it and the forest Acreage, Grenada Lake would be doable also. Sort of slightly north of center of the State. Interstate access. Reasonably hilly to give some scenery and a large body of fresh water. Too bad we don't have a clear water Smith Lake but just not enough rock base in Mississippi.
 

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Vicksburg National Military Park should be a huge attraction but it’s underfunded, poorly maintained (just cutting the grass the last few years had been a challenge), and rarely upgraded. They could make the Cairo and the adjacent museum much better with a major renovation. The visitor’s center looks like it was built in the 50s. They should have added something near the Illinois monument years ago and actually have the original park office just down the hill. Fort Hill could also have something cool added to it (some sort of observatory with telescopes, etc.).

I think it would be great if they just fully funded what we have rather than adding another one elsewhere. It could be so much more than just a military focus. I know people who have lived within an hour or so of the park their entire lives and never been to it. It’s ridiculous that it doesn’t at least attract the people nearby. I’m guessing a large percent of the Mississippians on this board have never been to it either. Could you imagine living in Pennsylvania and never gone to Gettysburg?
Yep. Always said that if Vicksburg built a Civil War museum akin to the WW2 museum in NOLA, it would be one of the top tourist attractions in the nation.
 

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I can’t believe I’ve never been to Vicksburg military park. I need to check that off this year. Probably 25 years ago I had been on a horse trail ride up in Tennessee. On the way home a couple of us stopped at Shilo. Don’t know if it was even allowed or is still allowed but we asked the park manager if we could unload the horses and ride through the park and he said sure. We rode throughout the park reading all the monuments, it was almost like you could hear the ghosts. It was definitely memorable.
 

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Somewhere from Vicksburg to the Louisiana line, south of Natchez.

But it's a futile effort. Look around at other National Parks. Nothing we have compares, as far as natural things. We have some history that we could have built around maybe, but like I said in the thread a week or so ago, missed the boat on that.

Real tourism in the state of MS is generally a non-starter. Be happy with bike traffic on the Trace. It's no coincidence to me, that the 2 best hikes (if you can call them that) are at the extreme corners of the state on the borders.
Agree, Tishomingo and Clark’s Creek.
 
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Raises hand on never really going and living within an hour or so. I went as a kid of probably 10 or 12 in the early 70's and HATED every moment of it. For a kid it was like riding through a boring cemetery and seeing monument after monument after monument and hills and kudzu. It was hot, and miserable.
Then I lived in Brandon for over 20 years later in life and never went, never really thought about it unless I was driving through Vicksburg and thought, "I should go there!". I would enjoy it now a lot more.

I've been in Starkville now since before the Grant Presidential Library and Lincolniana Exhibit started and still haven't been to them. You'd never know I love history and thought about being a History major and teaching.......
That’s because you didn’t come prepared. Always need a flat piece of cardboard and a bunch of super balls when you visit. The cardboard is to slide down the hills, the bouncy balls are for the Illinois monument.
 
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AttalaDawg72

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Raises hand on never really going and living within an hour or so. I went as a kid of probably 10 or 12 in the early 70's and HATED every moment of it. For a kid it was like riding through a boring cemetery and seeing monument after monument after monument and hills and kudzu. It was hot, and miserable.
Then I lived in Brandon for over 20 years later in life and never went, never really thought about it unless I was driving through Vicksburg and thought, "I should go there!". I would enjoy it now a lot more.

I've been in Starkville now since before the Grant Presidential Library and Lincolniana Exhibit started and still haven't been to them. You'd never know I love history and thought about being a History major and teaching.......
Someone said they were going to build a large building to house the Presidential Library on the land between the Mill and Hwy 12.
 

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AttalaDawg72

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Vicksburg is such a wasted opportunity for this state. So much history and being so close to the capital city. The way this state has been ran into the crapper just infuriates me at times.
 
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Darryl Steight

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Yep. Always said that if Vicksburg built a Civil War museum akin to the WW2 museum in NOLA, it would be one of the top tourist attractions in the nation.
I'm sure it won't be as big as the WW2 museum, but I think that's the idea. Something like it to attract tourists.

MDAH had a "History is Lunch" session about it a couple months ago and it sounds like it could be awesome.
 

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I'm sure it won't be as big as the WW2 museum, but I think that's the idea. Something like it to attract tourists.

MDAH had a "History is Lunch" session about it a couple months ago and it sounds like it could be awesome.
I’ve been to the WWI museum in Kansas City and have been trying to get down to NOLA for WWII. A Civil War version in Vicksburg would be awesome.
 

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Yep. Their are many other designations under the NPS... Monuments, wild and scenic rivers, preserves, seashores, lakeshores, recreation areas, etc. 433 in all, but only 63 National Parks.

If you're looking to avoid crowds, definitely look up the NPS national recreation area. I can think of 3-4 that would be in consideration of the top 10 National Parks if they were designated as parks. The difference is in national recreation areas there are way fewer people and you can do more stuff. Like hunt.
The Natchez Trace is a national park.
 

L4Dawg

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I can’t believe I’ve never been to Vicksburg military park. I need to check that off this year. Probably 25 years ago I had been on a horse trail ride up in Tennessee. On the way home a couple of us stopped at Shilo. Don’t know if it was even allowed or is still allowed but we asked the park manager if we could unload the horses and ride through the park and he said sure. We rode throughout the park reading all the monuments, it was almost like you could hear the ghosts. It was definitely memorable.
You can still ride horses at Shiloh. The Amish go through it with their wagons too.
 

L4Dawg

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It’s a Parkway and not considered a National Park even though the National Park Service operates it.
Well, the head ranger there spoke to a meeting I was at a few years ago, SHE said it was a National Park.
 

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Yep. Always said that if Vicksburg built a Civil War museum akin to the WW2 museum in NOLA, it would be one of the top tourist attractions in the nation.
I always said MSU should have been placed in Vicksburg.
 

L4Dawg

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Nobody here mentioned Corith and Brice's Crossroads. Corith has a lot of stuff including a national park service museum. Its Part of the Shiloh National Military Park. You have to walk a lot to see them but the most extensive military earthworks surviving in the US are in and around Corinth. Brice's is part of the National Park system now. It's marked a LOT better than it used to be. They are various little parcels of land scattered all around that area that are marked. The all have to do with the Brice's and Tupelo campaigns.
 

L4Dawg

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Well SHE was wrong.
No, she isn't. The park service considers all of the various designations, not just the "national parks," to be part of the National Park system. Now if you want to die on the hill of semantics, go right ahead.
 

AttalaDawg72

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No, she isn't. The park service considers all of the various designations, not just the "national parks," to be part of the National Park system. Now if you want to die on the hill of semantics, go right ahead.
It’s a part of the system, but it’s not a national park. You don’t know what you’re talking about. This has been stated about 5 times in this thread.
 

L4Dawg

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I think at one time the most visited tourist spot in Mississippi was Elvis' Birthplace in Tupelo. I don't know about now. I did a cursory search and couldn't find any list by visits. I do know it gets kind of crazy at times around birth and death week. You would be really surprised at the number of Brits and other Europeans who go there. There a lot of Japanese too. I lived down the street from Milam school for a few months a while back. They used to block off the street for the tour buses. I remember seeing nine bus loads of Japanese there once. This was a long time before the Toyota plant. The tours go to Graceland and then come to Tupelo.
 

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You believed what a woman said? #undefeated
Well, she isn't the only one that I have heard say it. The Superintendent at Shiloh used to say the same thing. I'll take the word of Superintendents of units of the Park Service over the words of the experts here.
 
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No, she isn't. The park service considers all of the various designations, not just the "national parks," to be part of the National Park system. Now if you want to die on the hill of semantics, go right ahead.
Edit: you know what, nevermind. Go ahead and tell all the people you want that the natchez trace is a national park. Have fun.
 

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But truthfully based on the topography around it and the forest Acreage, Grenada Lake would be doable also. Sort of slightly north of center of the State. Interstate access. Reasonably hilly to give some scenery and a large body of fresh water. Too bad we don't have a clear water Smith Lake but just not enough rock base in Mississippi.
If would have to be named after me. I was the undisputed, unchallenged king of the Natural Beach up through 85.
 

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Yep. Always said that if Vicksburg built a Civil War museum akin to the WW2 museum in NOLA, it would be one of the top tourist attractions in the nation.
I'd love to see it, unfortunately I think interest in the CW decreases every year. In the 70s/80s, among my school aged friends, we talked about the Civil War often, what if this or that had happened? I doubt my kids ever had a similar conversation with their school mates.
 

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Someone said they were going to build a large building to house the Presidential Library on the land between the Mill and Hwy 12.
I heard that here in Starvkille about a year ago too, but, that's why they added that upper floor to the library in the first place was to house the Grant and Lincoln collections. Maybe they've added to the collection and running out of space, I don't know
 

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Yep. Always said that if Vicksburg built a Civil War museum akin to the WW2 museum in NOLA, it would be one of the top tourist attractions in the nation.
I kind of wonder whether the interest in civil war attractions might die off. When I’ve been to Vicksburg, the average age of non-school groups appeared to be somewhere in the 70s to 120’s. I k ow a lot that is just people having more time when they’re retired, but didn’t know if some of it was due to the recency of the war. Always going to be some interest, but I think people that are in their 80’s or 90’s now, at least in the south, probably at one time referred to the north as ‘they/them’ and south as ‘we/us’ when discussing the civil war. Will some of that interest die off when we get more removed from it? Or is history history and going to have the same interest to the people inclined to it?
 
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