Explain to me in small words how expecting somebody to perform public work to receive public assistance is tantamount to slavery.
OT: Roger Wicker strikes again
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Explain to me in small words how expecting somebody to perform public work to receive public assistance is tantamount to slavery.
'...“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”...'
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”...'
Why wont they have to work?
Also, do you understand the details of the laws being discussed?
Does your boss make you come to work to get paid or does he let you stay at home and still collect a check for doing nothing? I suggest looking up the definition of slavery.
Rs and Ds don't cut a deal on a reasonable immigration plan because they raise more campaign money by not having a deal.
Some misguided individuals seem to believe a person can get untold fortunes by not working. They can never quite prove it, they just "know" it.
Hear! Hear! I think we should also track everyone's work productivity. Spend 15 minutes posting on a sports message board during your work day; forced public service for 15 minutes the next Saturday. If that doesn't make them uncomfortable enough, 30 minutes the next Saturday. We CAN force those people to work more efficiently and help the economy move forward way faster. But get them off their message boards on company time.
You want the US goverment to make temporary workers assimilate? Why?
Even if they were permanent, why do they need to assimilate?...and more importantly, to what do they need to assimilate? Do they need to assimilate to others in their culture? Do they need to assimilate to some coastal granola culture? Do they need to assimilate to some Southern hunting culture? Do they need to assimilate to some played out PNW hipster culture?
Demanding I use small words, then telling me to get definitions for you - what handout are you going to want next?
I know the defintion of slavery but it is obvious you do not if you think requiring someone to work is equivalent to slavery. By your definition, every job in the country is slavery if they require you to actually do work to get paid.
But since you don't look it up, the Britannica definition of slavery is when one human being is owned by another. Asking someone to work for money is not ownership.
I wish I had more time to continue our discussion, I can tell you're very much interested in having good-faith banter.
If you're referring to Hispanics, you're an idiot. Seriously, enough with those 2004 talking points. Have you been to Texas recently? Nobody has assimilated more than Hispanic people. They are about as American as you can get these days.
Who cares if they speak Spanish among themselves? I married into an Italian family, they speak Italian all the damn time, especially when they want to talk **** about me.
If you want your type of people to dominate the culture, it's simple, you better get out there and tell people to have more babies. The future belongs to whoever shows up, and THEY set the culture.
I'll say this - I am a little biased toward Hispanic people, as I've worked and interacted with them most of my life. And I guarantee you they are much more family oriented and civilized than many of these shitass Americans we have walking around these days.
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I don't think anybody thinks people can get a fortune, it's just that they have some connection to reality and realize that plenty of people would rather cobble together some government benefits, a little under the table work, and a ton of leisure time and prefer that to working an honest job. There are lots of jobs that need to get done that nobody would do except for a paycheck. It's a bad idea to make them feel like suckers for working rather than being on the government teat.
To him, any contract requiring a fulfillment is considered slavery apparently.
come here on a work visa and one must work…..or go back. It’s like a student visa.
Never miss an opportunity to turn an opposing view into something it’s not. Just be glad he didn’t compare it to the Holocaust.***
come here on a work visa and one must work…..or go back. It’s like a student visa.
Never miss an opportunity to turn an opposing view into something it’s not. Just be glad he didn’t compare it to the Holocaust.***
Please explain why the PNW culture is the one that is "played out"?
At face value, that statement seems rather discriminatory and we all know you never discriminate against anyone or any group much less region.
Interesting question, and the only thing I can come up with is very simple - respect for the country and the freedoms it affords. That doesn't mean you can't love your home/former country or anything like that. Also doesn't mean pride. Just respect for the general principles. I'm not even saying you can't push the limits from time to time, sometimes it may be necessary. But the respect has to be there, and honestly that's where I think a lot of the woke movement has gone wrong. I don't sense any respect for the country at all from those folks.
I’m not your student. Explain yourself.
dorn uses a pic of people of mixed races celebrating St Patty’s day as if only the Irish celebrate the holiday and used it as an ignorant way to say the Irish haven’t assimilated. Maybe he doesn’t know what “assimilate” means. It wouldn’t surprise me given his history of poor arguments. Therefore he had a shoot-and-miss as usual.
dorn uses a pic of people of mixed races celebrating St Patty’s day as if only the Irish celebrate the holiday and used it as an ignorant way to say the Irish haven’t assimilated. Maybe he doesn’t know what “assimilate” means. It wouldn’t surprise me given his history of poor arguments. Therefore he had a shoot-and-miss as usual.
He is not familiar with the laws being discussed. Nor is he likely familiar with the fact that I’m sure several MS businesses asked Wicker to support this. Swampdawg seems to think foreigners = bad
Phil Lynott was a mixed race Irishman and proud of being both.
As I mentioned previously, this was a swing and miss on your part.
As I mentioned previously, this was a swing and miss on your part.
He's trolling you, dude. He only picked Irish because they are white.
His point isn't a bad one, but he is just being a dick (dorndawg).
Exactly & WilCoDawg fell into the trap.
Whether the trap was by design by dorndawg or accidental is a different matter...
I don't have a problem with any immigrant who wants to work. We have plenty of non immigrants that sit on their *** and don't work and live off of others. Not to mention many immigrants will work for a lot less and do jobs many Americans won't.
No argument here.
Respect the country. Fix what you can fix without being a whiny *****. There's a difference between being a critic pursing a better country and being a hater. Seems like the loudest critics are simply haters these days. Flip side of that, I'm also tired of the fake patriotism as well. Waving a flag higher than your neighbor or any dumb bumper sticker or hollow gesture doesn't make you any better a citizen. It is becoming more superficial and commercialized than it actually being symbolic of respect for country.
Respect the country. Fix what you can fix without being a whiny *****. There's a difference between being a critic pursing a better country and being a hater. Seems like the loudest critics are simply haters these days. Flip side of that, I'm also tired of the fake patriotism as well. Waving a flag higher than your neighbor or any dumb bumper sticker or hollow gesture doesn't make you any better a citizen. It is becoming more superficial and commercialized than it actually being symbolic of respect for country.
I find it interesting you accuse me of trolling when I literally leave the thread. Fair enough I left like a smartass, but I've seen enough to know it wasn't going anywhere. I think you whiffed on this one, DSD.
The challenge isn't getting americans behind reasonable immigration laws. The challenge is getting immigration laws to match the preferences of a majority of our citizens. A relatively small portion of our country doesn't want immigrants. A relatively small portion of our country wants functionally open boarders. A pretty sizeable majority is going to be in favor of a good bit of legal immigration and cutting back on illegal immigration. They might disagree on how to structure legal immigration (how many a year, whether to allocate based on skills, money, country of origin, etc), but there'd be a compromise that could be reached. The problem is a lot of politicians in both parties get money from people that like having illegal immigrants available, and a lot of politicians on the left think that promoting illegal immigration secures their positions (I guess because they think there will eventually be an amnesty that grants voting rights because a massive deportation will be impractical and people will be uncomfortable having second class citizens/residents), so what we get is the current situation where legal immigration is hard and dysfunctional but illegal immigration is essentially encouraged.
For the H2-A workers, I think that's a reasonable approach. We have a lot of affordable agriculture that won't be produced if we are limited to permanent residents of the US to work our industries.
But I think for a lot of H2-B workers, I'd rather just give them green cards.
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