I agree with the first paragraph. The second, not so much. You're making a huge assumption based on what conditions are like in Africa now. But, if cross-Atlantic slavery never happens, who knows what that continent looks like today.
OT: "Run of the mill white kids"
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The linking of racism to "power over someone" is a mistake, imo, and not indicative of the definition of racism.
I will concede that some people have recently tried to alter that definition in just that way though.
Respectfully disagree because "what is prejudice against me" based on race if you have no power to go with it. It's nothing. Many white people understand this but are loathe to admit it. You know how it comes out. You see the complaining the minute a Black Judge is appointed in a case. You get the assumptions by many white people that the judge will be unfair. That power dynamic has changed. So, now the potential of prejudice means something. You think I give any care about some random white guy that I make $100,000 more than thinks if/when he decides to call me the "N" word to so call put me in my place. Could care less. However, the White Guy that may have the same prejudice that will unfairly deny me for a loan or devise Redlining schemes in housing. Now I care. The point is people make too much out of name calling and simple race based slights that mean absolutely nothing. What you will find out is that most Black don't care about that. They will troll you to play on your guilty feelings, but they don't care or they a looking for a reason to act out on you in the first place. The racism is in systems and institutions that may deny me access.
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I disagree with you, but agree with Webster's definition.
: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
It can be racist and prejudiced, even if the person has no power over their target.
The idea of racism being dependent on power is a recent distortion of the meaning. (If the 1970's can be called "recent")
I'm talking specifically about Africans who were slaves in the US. The Africans who were slaves in the Caribbean or South America live a completely different life than blacks in the US today, or since 1865 for that matter. Africans have been enslaved for millennia by many different peoples, including, in many cases, other Africans.
We obviously will never know but I don't think modern day Africa would be much different if the cross-Atlantic slave trade never existed.
So, back the original question:
What would happen if a white coach described the roster as containing "run of the mill black kids"?
What would happen if a white coach described the roster as containing "run of the mill black kids"?
It's probably because you ignore that last phrase in most definitions of racism. "Typically of a minority or marginalized group. It doesn't say Black. It doesn't say female. It's highlighting the power dynamic whatever that may be. You are attempting to ignore that and White people do because you want to highlight that Black people can be racist. ....and they can. However, that power dynamic highlighted in most definitions of racism is just not there regarding most Black people at least in this country. You will find anecdoctal examples of Black people being racist all over the place. However, what system did Black people create in America that has ever excluded White people. Hasn't happened.
Not these days. We have dropped in the cancellation hierarchy. You might get away with saying something that could be considered racist (John Gruden). However, if you say something out of line against the LGBTQ community, that's when it for you.
What public system in America today excludes Black people? There are private organizations in all communities that exclude people based on race, gender, religion, etc. and that is fine with me. Our constitution gives us freedom of association and private groups can associate or not with whatever group they choose.
I hear the term "systemic racism" thrown around quite a lot. I have yet to have someone give me an actual example of the system being racist.
The system I work in: The criminal justice system. Blacks receive sentences that are 10% higher than their white counterparts for similarly situated crimes. According to the University of Michigan School of Law this is usually related to the initial charging decisions of prosecutors. That's one. I could go on, but I don't have time to educate people that don't want to be educated. You seem to be pretty set in your belief system and who am I to pull you from there.
Fortunately I don't have much experience with the criminal justice system. I would ask this; is race the only factor in the sentencing disparity? Is there no other factor that contributes to the difference? I'm truly asking the question, not being snarky at all.
You quoted me before I updated the post with the definition from websters.
: a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
also : behavior or attitudes that reflect and foster this belief : racial discrimination or prejudice
It is not a function of power. There are attempts to change the definition to make it such, I admit that. But I look on those the way you look on recent attempts to morph the definition of CRT.
It's really not that deep. You have primarily white prosecutors and judges making decisions about Black Defendants that they have no connection to. They don't confront that Defendants family members at church or at the mall. So, the attention and care is not the same. I have seen it all the time when I have represented white defendants and that attention and care now goes in my favor. All of the sudden the plea deals get better. The judge is making sure that White Defendant's rights are protected instead of sitting back and letting me do my job. That's the difference. It's not that these people are somehow bad and just hate black people. Heck a Black judge can do the same thing in reverse. You just don't see as much of it. It's just the attention and care of seeing this person as human is not the same and the cumulative affect is a system that becomes racist against that group if you are not careful.
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Who made Websters the official authority? I took mine from the Oxford English Dictionary. When it comes down to it. There is no absolute definition of racism. What we do is pick the one that fits our narrative. I still believe mine to make more sense. Why should you or I care about a person's attitudes that can do nothing to us.
Hamas and Hezbollah have put out messages for all arabic people to show their anger on Friday the 13th. I wonder how many hundreds of bad people including terrorists from Syria, Lebanon, Iran and such have made it to the US soil through the border.
Affirmative action was just ruled against.
"Say Hi joe biden"
You have to agree it's ********.
The firat two definitions from the Oxford site:
the unfair treatment of people who belong to a different race; violent behaviour towards them
And
the belief that there are different races of people with different characteristics and abilities, and that some races are better than others; a general belief about a whole group of people based only on their race
So again no power dynamic. But I agree that we can find different fefinitions to suit our opinions. I will point out again that the idea of power being tied to racism is a recent thing, if you consider the 70's recent. (This is a mirror image of our discussion on CRT, but with us changing sides, ironically)
I firmly believe your definition makes no sense though. It doesn't matter if someone has power over me or not, they can still be a racist. A man with racist thoughts doesn't magically become racist if I hire into a subordinate role at his job. He's still just a racist.
I believe everyone knows, some just won't admit, that tying "racism" to power is a way to limit who can be called racist, and excuse others who can simply claim to be marginalized, and therefore never racist.
Edit: I'll add. One definition defines a racist based on his actions or beliefs. One definition defines a racist on his actions or beliefs....and which room he might be in at the time, depending on who is in the room with him and which protected group they belong to. But if those people change roles, like from subordinate to boss, he then becomes non-racist.
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Meaning a minority. I agree. We do when it comes to the 1% of mentally ill. In America whites are now a minority but have no say now since.
Being here in Mexico makes me pretty insulated from the Jihadists. However, if I were still in the States there is no way in hell I would fly on a plane, get on a subway or go to a mall tomorrow.....
No no no no. There is a certain low percent that loves the diversity. the ones that want the power over us. We are greater and could over take them at any chance we want.
Simply stated - open borders and uncontrolled immigration is changing America, forever.
Our children and grandchildren will never know the America we grew up in - we have let them down and failed to nurture what the Lord provided when he guided the founders of this great nation.
A not so little correction of some revisionist history needs to be noted. The first slaves brought into the Americas were by the Spanish in the 1520's (St. Augustine, St. Elena, and St. Miguel de Guadlape settlements) and about a half century later the French. The English were at Jamestown by 1607. Most of the early English settlements were here because of religious persecution i. e. Puritans, Quakers, and various protestant groups. These were not "greedy colonists". The next wave were Cavaliers and others escaping the English Civil War in the mid 1600's.
Some "greedy" colonists arrived about this time. Landgraves and other notables received mass quantities of land.
Average Joe colonists were induced to come to America to grow the colonies and prosper. Land needed to be cleared and infrastructure built, hence the New England slave ships purchased slaves on the African slave markets, already enslaved, and resold in American slave markets.
Note that the importation of African slaves was outlawed after 1808. The existing American slave population was deemed sufficient to maintain the American slave markets. Federal infrastructure (federal government buildings, Washington DC monuments, Erie Canal, New York and New Jersey wharves, and emerging westward expansion like railroads and newer ports like New Orleans) throughout the growing country, which differentiates the USA from most existing countries and empires at that time. There was a national need above and beyond the personal greed of agrarian societies. That is why American slavery persisted for 89 years. That the new Western states like Texas wanted slavery to build their infrastructure. The western expansion fueled increased slave prices and profits. Without the prevalent need for slaves, the institution would have withered and died as it did in most countries.
Some "greedy" colonists arrived about this time. Landgraves and other notables received mass quantities of land.
Average Joe colonists were induced to come to America to grow the colonies and prosper. Land needed to be cleared and infrastructure built, hence the New England slave ships purchased slaves on the African slave markets, already enslaved, and resold in American slave markets.
Note that the importation of African slaves was outlawed after 1808. The existing American slave population was deemed sufficient to maintain the American slave markets. Federal infrastructure (federal government buildings, Washington DC monuments, Erie Canal, New York and New Jersey wharves, and emerging westward expansion like railroads and newer ports like New Orleans) throughout the growing country, which differentiates the USA from most existing countries and empires at that time. There was a national need above and beyond the personal greed of agrarian societies. That is why American slavery persisted for 89 years. That the new Western states like Texas wanted slavery to build their infrastructure. The western expansion fueled increased slave prices and profits. Without the prevalent need for slaves, the institution would have withered and died as it did in most countries.
Donāt know if Iāve ever thought of it that way. We all know racism exists and will exist until we walk the Earth no more. As you said, it exists in all sides. No amount of discussion or education can make some people see the value in others. But to your point, it is typically one side that pushes the narrative (publicly at least).
As I have stated on here before, I am a school administrator. I missed out on my first admin job solely becauseI did not fit the hiring narrative at the time (affirmative action). Even that was pushed along by white lawmakers.
The one going on now built on white quilt. We'll see if -affirmative action takes place.
Itās an issue bc the race hustlers make too much money keeping division alive.
Well, that's like saying we would have no racial conflict if it weren't for the blatant career exploiters - your Jacksons and your Sharpton's. It's not true. Their absence would make the dialogues more fruitful, though, by fostering a higher level of good faith. Social problems arising from race are real - for a myriad of reasons, not all of them invalid or imagined. There's no sense in being in denial about that.
Nobody is in denial. But speaking personally I don't really see racial issues in my world. I see ppl of all colors and creed everywhere and most ppl seem happy and are living the lives they want. The only ppl bitching are the race hustlers who also weirdly seem to have profited handsomely seeing bogeymen everywhere there's a microphone.
Will DS give them the "BYU" treatment for future games potentially scheduled?
Everyone decries slavery in America, but no one cares about slavery currently still being a thing in some major countries, China included. Let's buy goods produced by Chinese slave labor, right?
I need to do better in that
. I love Foot Joy golf shoes but not the made in China.