OT: thoughts on Dan Lanning and ending to the Oregon/OSU game?

[18IsTheMan]

Didn't see it live, but it's generating a lot of discussion.

With OSU trailing 32-31, and a 3rd and 25 from the Oregon 43 and 10 seconds left in the game, Lanning intentionally put a 12th man on the field to get an extra defender for a critical play, as OSU only needed around 10 yards to call a TO and kick the winning field goal. With the extra defender, the play resulted in an incomplete pass that took 4 seconds off the clock and gave OSU 5 yards. Lanning traded 4 seconds for 5 yards. On the next play, the OSU QB ran the ball into FG range but time expired. With that 4 seconds, they would have had time to call TO and attempt a game-winning FG. Lanning has since confirmed it was inentional.

What's your take? Cheap way to get a win? Genius move? Both?

As it is, OSU"s clock management wasn't great down the stretch. Day noticed the extra man on the field and admits they could have saved time by spiking the ball and taking the 5 yards, but says there were men open so the play was there to be made.

 

[muscleknight]

Don't have a problem with it. I wish our coaches could find stuff like that.

 

[will110]

Didn't see it live, but it's generating a lot of discussion.

With OSU trailing 32-31, and a 3rd and 25 from the Oregon 43 and 10 seconds left in the game, Lanning intentionally put a 12th man on the field to get an extra defender for a critical play, as OSU only needed around 10 yards to call a TO and kick the winning field goal. With the extra defender, the play resulted in an incomplete pass that took 4 seconds off the clock and gave OSU 5 yards. Lanning traded 4 seconds for 5 yards. On the next play, the OSU QB ran the ball into FG range but time expired. With that 4 seconds, they would have had time to call TO and attempt a game-winning FG. Lanning has since confirmed it was inentional.

What's your take? Cheap way to get a win? Genius move? Both?

As it is, OSU"s clock management wasn't great down the stretch. Day noticed the extra man on the field and admits they could have saved time by spiking the ball and taking the 5 yards, but says there were men open so the play was there to be made.

Genius. Not cheap at all.

 

[hillna2]

It feels the same as taking a foul while up 3 at the end of a basketball game. It's smart.

 

[18IsTheMan]

NCAA is already taking a look at it. Most assume there will be a rule change where no time comes off the clock.

 

[Lurker123]

NCAA is already taking a look at it. Most assume there will be a rule change where no time comes off the clock.

That would be weird. How would you differentiate between intentional moves, like he made, and just regular fouls?

Defensive holding? No time off clock. Pass interference? No time off clock.

Could really change the 2 minute offense.

 

[18IsTheMan]

That would be weird. How would you differentiate between intentional moves, like he made, and just regular fouls?

Defensive holding? No time off clock. Pass interference? No time off clock.

Could really change the 2 minute offense.

Yeah, not sure how it would work.

They implemented the 10-second runoff for kind of the opposite situation: teams committing penalties to intentionally stop the clock at the end of halves.

 

[Piscis]

That would be weird. How would you differentiate between intentional moves, like he made, and just regular fouls?

Defensive holding? No time off clock. Pass interference? No time off clock.

Could really change the 2 minute offense.

I don't see how they can tell if a penalty is intentional.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I don't see how they can tell if a penalty is intentional.

I don't think they would have to. Similar to why they implemented the 10 second runoff.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

That would be weird. How would you differentiate between intentional moves, like he made, and just regular fouls?

Defensive holding? No time off clock. Pass interference? No time off clock.

Could really change the 2 minute offense.

Yea, kinda like fake injuries, right.
But the NCAA doesn't want to address either one more than likely.

 

[Guy in the Back]

It sucks because it undermines the sanctity of the game. But, I don’t necessarily have a problem with it. He broke a rule, got penalized, but played it to his advantage. Pretty smart.

 

[Lurker123]

I'm going off memory, but there was a coach many years ago who didn't want to punt. So he told his offense to false start over and over. They kept getting penalties, but the clock kept moving.

Can't remember if it was college or NFL, and I'm sure they changed the rule by now, but I remember saying "well, it's scummy, but it's in the rule book"

 

[USCEE82]

I'm going off memory, but there was a coach many years ago who didn't want to punt. So he told his offense to false start over and over. They kept getting penalties, but the clock kept moving.

Can't remember if it was college or NFL, and I'm sure they changed the rule by now, but I remember saying "well, it's scummy, but it's in the rule book"

Hold on. The clock stops on a penalty.

 

[Lurker123]

Hold on. The clock stops on a penalty.

It does now, you're right. I am remembering this from a long time ago. I'll try to find it later when I have more time.

Maybe I'm missing remembering, it's happened.

When I did a quick search, all I found was articles about this Oregon maneuver.

 

[Cackmandu]

I'm going off memory, but there was a coach many years ago who didn't want to punt. So he told his offense to false start over and over. They kept getting penalties, but the clock kept moving.

Can't remember if it was college or NFL, and I'm sure they changed the rule by now, but I remember saying "well, it's scummy, but it's in the rule book"

I've always wondered why that isn't done more! I mean you do get penalized unlike flopping which is basically a gifted timeout!

 

[Guy in the Back]

Sometimes folks find loopholes no one else noticed, cares to look for, or though it went against the spirit of the game.

One of the biggest incident like this I saw happened in NASCAR with Jeff Burton and Frankie Stoddard in the All-Star race. The rule stated everyone had to make a stop. Burton’s pit stall was right at the finish line. He ran the race and stopped on the last lap. All he had to do was pull out of his stall and cross the line. They changed that rule right after.

 

[hillna2]

I would also add that it feels like the DPI penalty in college football too. If you're getting beat deep, why not tackle the guy, it's only a 15 yard penalty vs whatever the gain is or a possible TD? I think that one should be looked at by the NCAA before this.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

I would also add that it feels like the DPI penalty in college football too. If you're getting beat deep, why not tackle the guy, it's only a 15 yard penalty vs whatever the gain is or a possible TD? I think that one should be looked at by the NCAA before this.

Agree, I always hated this as a smart move by the defender. He got beat and should pay the price.
Spot foul would make the penalty less beneficial for the defender.

 

[FootballLVR]

I think it's genius. It's in the rule book. They could change the rule but I like that people are thinking about ways to get things done within the rules.

 

[will110]

Agree, I always hated this as a smart move by the defender. He got beat and should pay the price.
Spot foul would make the penalty less beneficial for the defender.

Could you imagine college refs trying to call DPI and giving a team 35 or 40 yards (or more)? College officiating is bad enough now.

 

[hillna2]

Could you imagine college refs trying to call DPI and giving a team 35 or 40 yards (or more)? College officiating is bad enough now.

It's literally the rule in the NFL. Just put the ball at where the penalty happened. Seems pretty straightforward to me...

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think it's genius. It's in the rule book. They could change the rule but I like that people are thinking about ways to get things done within the rules.

I think it was very smart and heady but also kind of a cheap way to get a win. All's fair in love and war, though.

As I said in the OP, though, Day saw the extra man on the field and had the chance to call for a spike and save time, but they opted to pass the ball.

 

[will110]

It's literally the rule in the NFL. Just put the ball at where the penalty happened. Seems pretty straightforward to me...

I know it's the NFL rule. But college refs suck. Giving them the power to flip a field is a bad idea.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Could you imagine college refs trying to call DPI and giving a team 35 or 40 yards (or more)? College officiating is bad enough now.

Rewarding the defender for grabbing a receiver who has him beat for a TD is worse.
I agree college officials are impacting the game too much but knowing where the PI occurred does not require a calculator.

 

[will110]

Rewarding the defender for grabbing a receiver who has him beat for a TD is worse.
I agree college officials are impacting the game too much but knowing where the PI occurred does not require a calculator.

My concern is with them correctly calling PI.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Rewarding the defender for grabbing a receiver who has him beat for a TD is worse.
I agree college officials are impacting the game too much but knowing where the PI occurred does not require a calculator.

I know it's the NFL rule. But college refs suck. Giving them the power to flip a field is a bad idea.

My concern is with them correctly calling PI.

All are true. It is a cheap way for a defender to get off the hook for a big gain. However, as bad as officiating has been, making a spot foul could be devastating. I like the idea of a spot foul but only if you have competent refs making the call. OR...

Allow penalties to be reviewable. It should take 5 seconds, max.

 

[Gradstudent]

Any else feel like if we tried that it would backfire and the opposing team would score against our 12 guys and win the game outright?

 

[18IsTheMan]

Any else feel like if we tried that it would backfire and the opposing team would score against our 12 guys and win the game outright?

I have no doubt if we tried this, somehow, their top receiver would end up totally uncovered 30 yards down field for a walk-in TD.