Of course his offense was his worst in 2020, it was his first year. Then it got better and better, and would have been even better in 2023. And he’d have continued it just like he did in the past.
OT, Todd, what did you do to Bo lol?
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Uh the first time Leach went 11-2 and was named National COY , he was playing against top five teams Ut and OU along with ranked OSU and a&m teams. He was ranked #1 after knocking off UT
the second time he was 11-2 and named National COY he was playing Oregon USC and UW at a program that was 9-40 in the preceding years he took over
what is the point here ?
I suppose it is nitpicking Washington States schedule or comparing stats instead of the won loss record all as a means of avoiding the elephant in the room.
arnett was made permanent coach by Keenum and was allowed to fire Leachs staff ,install good ol boy booster buddies and a wing T offense. Sit back and enjoy the 2-10 aftermath. 5-7/6-6 is probably the ceiling for the foreseeable future. And that’s in a good year
Our football fanbase deserves what it gets. I’m over it honestly. Nowadays I watch basketball and baseball, and laugh during football season. As a collective, we don’t have a clue.
Yeah, the point is that there is no defense played in the Big-whatever and the PAC-whogivesashít. Definitely not back then.
It’s a far cry from doing that there vs the SEC where 75% or more of the teams play legit defense. He was abysmal against our in-state rival and lost some absolute headscrathers here (two against awful pig teams). But, by all means, let’s celebrate what he did years before he got here in conferences that weren’t even remotely close to what he faced here.
Or admit he gave the fans the fourth best season in school history while cleaning up JoeMos mess and doing it on A bottom basement budget
nah, let’s cover Keenum @SS with the Arnett fiasco.
The offense was worse in 2022 than it was in 2021, and no it wouldn’t have. You can post the garbage game stats where we ran up the score if you want to, but anyone with an IQ above room temperature knows that is not a true barometer. You can also include the massive amount of defensive scores and special team touchdowns by Tulu and The cornerback who had more pick 6’s than anyone in school history, but when you look at straight offensive production in our league it was worse. 1 offensive touchdown in half of our p5 games in 2022. That’s awful.
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You are correct. We as a collective don’t have a clue in football. Exhibit A is this thread.
Who is taking up for Arnett? He’s trash. No one is trashing Leach. His offense sucked here. His teams won. I will take Leach’s sucky offenses with 9 wins every single year. It doesn’t change the fact that his offenses were not good here and someone being excited about that offense makes zero sense. That offense was not why we won 9 games. The problem with you and that entire cult is that you can’t take constructive criticism of the guy. He won, but we had a ceiling because of the quarterback he refused to upgrade and the offense he refused to adapt. It doesn’t mean I wanted him fired. It just means he could have been even better if he wasn’t so hard headed. There was a reason he was the only person left running that version of the air raid.
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Yea, the popular Genespage opinion is to take your stance and dig in and take up for everything a coach does no matter what, so you are Genespage in this scenario.
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I came to the conclusion that I wouldn’t judge Leach until we had another QB besides Will. I think Will for as gaudy his stats were limited Leach’s effectiveness.
The fact Leach refused to play young QBs was part of his problem. He knew he was only going to be here another year or two, so he didn't care. And if you look at his track record, not many young QBs played for him.
The fact of the matter is that we never should have had to hire Leach. We've hired 4 coaches since Mullen left, and it looks like all 4 have been bad hires. Leach was the best of the 4, but it was always going to be a problem when he left. That was always my hang up with hiring him. A system coach that recruits a certain way due to that system, especially a one of a kind system like that...It was always going to fall apart when he left. No one knew he was going to die, so that just resulted in it being an even bigger problem. Especially when Arnett was allowed to dismantle everything.
But that's not Leach's fault, or an indictment on him. I think if he were still alive, we'd be in decent shape still. But, again, the original problem was the hire after Mullen. That started the spiral that we're still in. Make a good hire there, and you erase all the crap that comes behind it. Leach, Arnept, and Neckbeard never happen. JoeMo was such a horrible hire it destroyed our program overnight. 7 years later, we're still suffering from it.
But that's not Leach's fault, or an indictment on him. I think if he were still alive, we'd be in decent shape still. But, again, the original problem was the hire after Mullen. That started the spiral that we're still in. Make a good hire there, and you erase all the crap that comes behind it. Leach, Arnept, and Neckbeard never happen. JoeMo was such a horrible hire it destroyed our program overnight. 7 years later, we're still suffering from it.
you think maybe Arnett blowing the thing to kingdom come with no nil to rebuild might have played a role ? I don’t see how Leach notching the fourth best season in school history is a bad hire. Maybe Keenum and Arnett made some real bad decisions.
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We were going to have a massive dropoff on defense whether Leach was here or not. Look at all of the players that transferred out on defense the last 2 years and where they went. They all with the exception of 2 players went to a lesser caliber football conference/school. We had ZERO players go to the combine this year. That is on the head coach from the draft eligible classes, which was Mike Leach. You can blame Arnett for the lack of defensive talent (and I do to an extent), but the head coach was Leach when that terrible recruiting on defense was taking place. He was ultimately responsible for it, along with that moron Dave Emerick who had no idea what he was doing and had way too much say in who we recruited. And the lack of NIL was on John Cohen, whose idea of NIL was signed 17ing baseballs. Cohen was the worst thing to happen to our athletics department since Templeton due to his refusal to embrace NIL and fundraise.
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Have you ever heard of the transfer portal ? Lots of teams use it.
im not sure I trust you predicting the future with Leach as coach, you sound rather
Biased.
As you said, we didn't have money for the transfer portal. We were broke, so I feel confident that we were not going to fix those issues with no money. And you don't trust anyone that doesn't pump anything but sunshine on Leach, which is the definition of biased. I can see the good and the bad with him, of which there was both.
Right, so if you are broke and don’t have any NIL money is it logical or smart to burn the program to the ground, firing everyone and instlling the wing t offense that doesn’t match any of your personnel ? Asking for a friend
do you think Keenum or Arnett ever considered this ?
No, I think Keenum is a cancer to the university and Arnett is a meatheaded moron.