OT - USNews ranks PSU 23rd among public universities

[Nitwit]

It’s also ranked tied for 7th in the Big10 on this list. Many of its individual programs are ranked much higher, including the world campus, engineering, business, graduate programs, and veterans’ education.


Penn State World Campus has been included in the 2022 U.S. News & World Report’s Best Online Programs rankings.

The annual rankings, which were released January 25, placed Penn State World Campus on lists for graduate degree programs, including engineering, business, education, and information technology; bachelor’s degree programs; and the best programs for veterans.

Here are the full rankings of the program categories:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering programs
• No. 8 (tie), graduate education programs
• No. 12 (tie), graduate business (non-MBA) programs
• No. 13, graduate computer/IT programs
• No. 15, MBA
• No. 16 (tie), bachelor’s degree programs

U.S. News considered more than 380 colleges and universities in its bachelor’s programs rankings by reviewing surveys submitted by the institutions. U.S. News rated the institutions on categories of engagement, services and technology, faculty credentials and training, and expert opinion.

The surveys for graduate degree programs measured those four categories as well as student excellence.

Best online degree programs for veterans​

U.S. News also ranked Penn State World Campus on its Best Online Programs for Veterans lists.

Those rankings are based on the same factors as its Best Online Programs rankings, in addition to an institution’s ability to make college more affordable and accessible through the GI Bill®, scholarships, and financial aid programs designed for military students.

Here are the rankings for Best Online Programs for Veterans:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering
• No. 3, graduate education
• No. 5, graduate business (non-MBA)
• No. 8, graduate computer/IT
• No. 10 (tie), MBA
• No. 11 (tie), bachelor’s programs

Specialty rankings​

The Best Online Programs 2022 edition includes rankings of specific disciplines within the program categories. The specialties rankings were based on ratings provided by peer institutions.

Highlights for Penn State World Campus include the No. 2 rankings for graduate industrial engineering, bachelor’s in business, and bachelor’s in psychology. Here are the full specialty rankings:

• No. 2, bachelor’s in business
• No. 2, bachelor’s in psychology
• No. 2 (tie), graduate industrial engineering
• No. 3, graduate educational/instructional media design
• No. 3, graduate engineering management
• No. 4 (tie), graduate mechanical engineering
• No. 5 (tie), graduate curriculum and instruction
• No. 7, graduate electrical engineering
• No. 7 (tie), graduate finance
• No. 7 (tie), graduate general management
• No. 7 (tie), graduate special education
• No. 10 (tie), graduate education administration and supervision
• No. 10 (tie), graduate marketing
• No. 15 (tie), graduate business analytics

Penn State was one of the pioneers in online higher education when it launched Penn State World Campus in 1998.

Now, almost 25 years later, Penn State World Campus offers more than 175 degree and certificate programs online and counts more than 15,000 students around the globe and more than 30,000 alumni.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Son1s schreyer aero is top ten across public and private schools. So proud

 

[BobPSU92]

Few schools can match PSU for the full experience. Great academics, research, clubs, athletics, Success With Honor, the Creamery, the campus, pride, the social scene…UNRIVALED. .

I love PSU. I hate me.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

Few schools can match PSU for the full experience. Great academics, research, clubs, athletics, Success With Honor, the Creamery, the campus, pride, the social scene…UNRIVALED. .

I love PSU. I hate me.

Agree!

 

[fairgambit]

It’s also ranked tied for 7th in the Big10 on this list. Many of its individual programs are ranked much higher, including the world campus, engineering, business, graduate programs, and veterans’ education.


Penn State World Campus has been included in the 2022 U.S. News & World Report’s Best Online Programs rankings.

The annual rankings, which were released January 25, placed Penn State World Campus on lists for graduate degree programs, including engineering, business, education, and information technology; bachelor’s degree programs; and the best programs for veterans.

Here are the full rankings of the program categories:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering programs
• No. 8 (tie), graduate education programs
• No. 12 (tie), graduate business (non-MBA) programs
• No. 13, graduate computer/IT programs
• No. 15, MBA
• No. 16 (tie), bachelor’s degree programs

U.S. News considered more than 380 colleges and universities in its bachelor’s programs rankings by reviewing surveys submitted by the institutions. U.S. News rated the institutions on categories of engagement, services and technology, faculty credentials and training, and expert opinion.

The surveys for graduate degree programs measured those four categories as well as student excellence.

Best online degree programs for veterans​

U.S. News also ranked Penn State World Campus on its Best Online Programs for Veterans lists.

Those rankings are based on the same factors as its Best Online Programs rankings, in addition to an institution’s ability to make college more affordable and accessible through the GI Bill®, scholarships, and financial aid programs designed for military students.

Here are the rankings for Best Online Programs for Veterans:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering
• No. 3, graduate education
• No. 5, graduate business (non-MBA)
• No. 8, graduate computer/IT
• No. 10 (tie), MBA
• No. 11 (tie), bachelor’s programs

Specialty rankings​

The Best Online Programs 2022 edition includes rankings of specific disciplines within the program categories. The specialties rankings were based on ratings provided by peer institutions.

Highlights for Penn State World Campus include the No. 2 rankings for graduate industrial engineering, bachelor’s in business, and bachelor’s in psychology. Here are the full specialty rankings:

• No. 2, bachelor’s in business
• No. 2, bachelor’s in psychology
• No. 2 (tie), graduate industrial engineering
• No. 3, graduate educational/instructional media design
• No. 3, graduate engineering management
• No. 4 (tie), graduate mechanical engineering
• No. 5 (tie), graduate curriculum and instruction
• No. 7, graduate electrical engineering
• No. 7 (tie), graduate finance
• No. 7 (tie), graduate general management
• No. 7 (tie), graduate special education
• No. 10 (tie), graduate education administration and supervision
• No. 10 (tie), graduate marketing
• No. 15 (tie), graduate business analytics

Penn State was one of the pioneers in online higher education when it launched Penn State World Campus in 1998.

Now, almost 25 years later, Penn State World Campus offers more than 175 degree and certificate programs online and counts more than 15,000 students around the globe and more than 30,000 alumni.

For what it's worth, Pitt is ranked higher. They are tied with Maryland at #20. Maybe my Pitt friends won't notice.

UPDATE: They noticed.

 

[Moogy]

It’s also ranked tied for 7th in the Big10 on this list. Many of its individual programs are ranked much higher, including the world campus, engineering, business, graduate programs, and veterans’ education.


Penn State World Campus has been included in the 2022 U.S. News & World Report’s Best Online Programs rankings.

The annual rankings, which were released January 25, placed Penn State World Campus on lists for graduate degree programs, including engineering, business, education, and information technology; bachelor’s degree programs; and the best programs for veterans.

Here are the full rankings of the program categories:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering programs
• No. 8 (tie), graduate education programs
• No. 12 (tie), graduate business (non-MBA) programs
• No. 13, graduate computer/IT programs
• No. 15, MBA
• No. 16 (tie), bachelor’s degree programs

U.S. News considered more than 380 colleges and universities in its bachelor’s programs rankings by reviewing surveys submitted by the institutions. U.S. News rated the institutions on categories of engagement, services and technology, faculty credentials and training, and expert opinion.

The surveys for graduate degree programs measured those four categories as well as student excellence.

Best online degree programs for veterans​

U.S. News also ranked Penn State World Campus on its Best Online Programs for Veterans lists.

Those rankings are based on the same factors as its Best Online Programs rankings, in addition to an institution’s ability to make college more affordable and accessible through the GI Bill®, scholarships, and financial aid programs designed for military students.

Here are the rankings for Best Online Programs for Veterans:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering
• No. 3, graduate education
• No. 5, graduate business (non-MBA)
• No. 8, graduate computer/IT
• No. 10 (tie), MBA
• No. 11 (tie), bachelor’s programs

Specialty rankings​

The Best Online Programs 2022 edition includes rankings of specific disciplines within the program categories. The specialties rankings were based on ratings provided by peer institutions.

Highlights for Penn State World Campus include the No. 2 rankings for graduate industrial engineering, bachelor’s in business, and bachelor’s in psychology. Here are the full specialty rankings:

• No. 2, bachelor’s in business
• No. 2, bachelor’s in psychology
• No. 2 (tie), graduate industrial engineering
• No. 3, graduate educational/instructional media design
• No. 3, graduate engineering management
• No. 4 (tie), graduate mechanical engineering
• No. 5 (tie), graduate curriculum and instruction
• No. 7, graduate electrical engineering
• No. 7 (tie), graduate finance
• No. 7 (tie), graduate general management
• No. 7 (tie), graduate special education
• No. 10 (tie), graduate education administration and supervision
• No. 10 (tie), graduate marketing
• No. 15 (tie), graduate business analytics

Penn State was one of the pioneers in online higher education when it launched Penn State World Campus in 1998.

Now, almost 25 years later, Penn State World Campus offers more than 175 degree and certificate programs online and counts more than 15,000 students around the globe and more than 30,000 alumni.

Where is this informational blurb located? When I go to the US News site, and click on "Graduate Schools" and then "Engineering," it takes me to "Best Engineering Schools" and PSU shows up tied for #33 (with Cal-Davis and Minny), not #3.

 

[Nitwit]

Well they do have the opera there.

 

[PSUFTG]

So, over the last 8 years, since Eric Barron took over, Penn State has dropped further down the rankings than any school in the Big Ten (and, probably, in the nation). Period.
When Barron took office, Penn State ranked 3rd in the Big Ten - behind Northwestern and Michigan.
Today, they are tied with Rutgers for 8th/9th place just in the Big Ten - and 63rd in the Nation. As can be seen here:
2022 Best National Universities | US News Rankings

In addition to Rutgers, some colleges rated ahead of Penn State include:
Big Ten Universities Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State. Purdue
Pitt
Syracuse (Yes, Syracuse)
Florida State (One of the fastest risers in the nation, since Eric Barron moved from Tallahassee to State College. Interesting, no?)

But in the uber-competitive "On Line" college sphere - competing against the likes of Colorado State, Embry-Riddle, and the University of Illinois at Chicago - Penn State is right in there. Just below Colorado State and Utah State - and just ahead of Illinois State and tied with Oklahoma.
As you can see here: 2022 Best Online Bachelor's Degree Programs - US News
Break out the champagne and onion dip. Princeton and Yale are so jealous


Barron was such a visionary. Of course, he didn't say his "vision" was to compare/compete against Community Colleges, as opposed to Big Ten and ACC Universities. Penn State football could adopt the same "vision", and kick a$$ in the Patriot League! Now, that's an idea.

If the Penn State football team had declined as dramatically as the University has (fortunately, to this point, despite recent underperformance, the football program hasn't), Penn Staters would be carrying pitchforks up to Old Main.

 

[troutrus]

Our in-state tuition is way up there, so we got that going for us.

 

[Bertrand]

Thank you Captain Sunshine. I am shocked that you have a negative take on these rather arbitrary rankings. Just shocked. While employers knock down the doors to hire supply chain, finance, accounting and other majors at Smeal, you can begin yet another mind numbing excel spreadsheet deep dive into the cost per square ft of sod.

So, over the last 8 years, since Eric Barron took over, Penn State has dropped further down the rankings than any school in the Big Ten (and, probably, in the nation).
But in the "On Line" college sphere - competing against the likes of Colorado State, Embry-Riddle, and the University of Illinois at Chicago - Penn State is right in there

Break out the champagne and onion dip.

If the Penn State football team had declined as dramatically as the University has (fortunately, to this point, despite recent underperformance, the football program hasn't), Penn Staters would be carrying pitchforks up to Old Main.

 

[contentphillydad]

So, over the last 8 years, since Eric Barron took over, Penn State has dropped further down the rankings than any school in the Big Ten (and, probably, in the nation).
But in the "On Line" college sphere - competing against the likes of Colorado State, Embry-Riddle, and the University of Illinois at Chicago - Penn State is right in there

Break out the champagne and onion dip.

If the Penn State football team had declined as dramatically as the University has (fortunately, to this point, despite recent underperformance, the football program hasn't), Penn Staters would be carrying pitchforks up to Old Main.

Amen

 

[contentphillydad]

So, over the last 8 years, since Eric Barron took over, Penn State has dropped further down the rankings than any school in the Big Ten (and, probably, in the nation).
But in the "On Line" college sphere - competing against the likes of Colorado State, Embry-Riddle, and the University of Illinois at Chicago - Penn State is right in there

Break out the champagne and onion dip.

If the Penn State football team had declined as dramatically as the University has (fortunately, to this point, despite recent underperformance, the football program hasn't), Penn Staters would be carrying pitchforks up to Old Main.

Now watch the sunshine pumpers attack you for pointing out FACTS

 

[GrimReaper]

Thank you Captain Sunshine. I am shocked that you have a negative take on these rather arbitrary rankings. Just shocked. While employers knock down the doors to hire supply chain, finance, accounting and other majors at Smeal, you can begin yet another mind numbing excel spreadsheet deep dive into the cost per square ft of sod.

Replacing all of those doors must explain why PSU's tuition is so high.

 

[BobPSU92]

Replacing all of those doors must explain why PSU's tuition is so high.

When one door is knocked down, there new doors are purchased.

 

[Nitwit]

Where is this informational blurb located? When I go to the US News site, and click on "Graduate Schools" and then "Engineering," it takes me to "Best Engineering Schools" and PSU shows up tied for #33 (with Cal-Davis and Minny), not #3.

Click on online schools

 

[Nitwit]

Amen

Barron saw that the future of education was virtual when everyone else was bricks and mortar. He positioned PSU to be the leader there. Amen

 

[fairgambit]

I note Penn State is ranked #174 in Best Value Schools among National Universities. They are trying to follow the motto of Fairgambit Worldwide Industries. "No one gives you less for more." I should be President.

 

[PSUFTG]

Barron saw that the future of education was virtual when everyone else was bricks and mortar. He positioned PSU to be the leader there. Amen

One can only hope you are being sarcastic.
That "vision" of virtual education would be so congruent with the $3.5 Billion in new "Bricks and Mortar" construction - largely financed with an additional $2.5 Billion in long-term debt - since Barron took over. So?

Audited Financial Statements (psu.edu)

 

[BobPSU92]

F*ck us. Always f*ck us.

 

[GrimReaper]

Barron saw that the future of education was virtual when everyone else was bricks and mortar. He positioned PSU to be the leader there. Amen

The leader? Rummaging through US News's rankings, I didn't come across PSU being number one in any category. Granted, I may have missed some, so you're welcome to find the superlative.

 

[Midnighter]

It’s also ranked tied for 7th in the Big10 on this list. Many of its individual programs are ranked much higher, including the world campus, engineering, business, graduate programs, and veterans’ education.


Penn State World Campus has been included in the 2022 U.S. News & World Report’s Best Online Programs rankings.

The annual rankings, which were released January 25, placed Penn State World Campus on lists for graduate degree programs, including engineering, business, education, and information technology; bachelor’s degree programs; and the best programs for veterans.

Here are the full rankings of the program categories:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering programs
• No. 8 (tie), graduate education programs
• No. 12 (tie), graduate business (non-MBA) programs
• No. 13, graduate computer/IT programs
• No. 15, MBA
• No. 16 (tie), bachelor’s degree programs

U.S. News considered more than 380 colleges and universities in its bachelor’s programs rankings by reviewing surveys submitted by the institutions. U.S. News rated the institutions on categories of engagement, services and technology, faculty credentials and training, and expert opinion.

The surveys for graduate degree programs measured those four categories as well as student excellence.

Best online degree programs for veterans​

U.S. News also ranked Penn State World Campus on its Best Online Programs for Veterans lists.

Those rankings are based on the same factors as its Best Online Programs rankings, in addition to an institution’s ability to make college more affordable and accessible through the GI Bill®, scholarships, and financial aid programs designed for military students.

Here are the rankings for Best Online Programs for Veterans:

• No. 3 (tie), graduate engineering
• No. 3, graduate education
• No. 5, graduate business (non-MBA)
• No. 8, graduate computer/IT
• No. 10 (tie), MBA
• No. 11 (tie), bachelor’s programs

Specialty rankings​

The Best Online Programs 2022 edition includes rankings of specific disciplines within the program categories. The specialties rankings were based on ratings provided by peer institutions.

Highlights for Penn State World Campus include the No. 2 rankings for graduate industrial engineering, bachelor’s in business, and bachelor’s in psychology. Here are the full specialty rankings:

• No. 2, bachelor’s in business
• No. 2, bachelor’s in psychology
• No. 2 (tie), graduate industrial engineering
• No. 3, graduate educational/instructional media design
• No. 3, graduate engineering management
• No. 4 (tie), graduate mechanical engineering
• No. 5 (tie), graduate curriculum and instruction
• No. 7, graduate electrical engineering
• No. 7 (tie), graduate finance
• No. 7 (tie), graduate general management
• No. 7 (tie), graduate special education
• No. 10 (tie), graduate education administration and supervision
• No. 10 (tie), graduate marketing
• No. 15 (tie), graduate business analytics

Penn State was one of the pioneers in online higher education when it launched Penn State World Campus in 1998.

Now, almost 25 years later, Penn State World Campus offers more than 175 degree and certificate programs online and counts more than 15,000 students around the globe and more than 30,000 alumni.

Is this ranking exclusively for World Campus? So, when you say 7th in the Big Ten, you mean compared to other Big Ten university online programs? I took a couple of graduate school classes through World Campus in the early 00's when I was still in the Army (courses were 'free' to me). They didn't have a lot of programs back then but Penn State World Campus was one of the marquee programs offered as part of the Army's 'EArmyU' initiative. So, every soldier who wanted to pursue online education as part of this program could do so without using the GI Bill.

 

[Nitwit]

7th is overall ranking in the Big10, not just online. Our online performance is higher than the overall rankings and is top ten in many categories.

 

[GrimReaper]

7th is overall ranking in the Big10, not just online.

So, middling.

While we're tossing numbers around, they overlooked mentioning that PSU is #2 in Pennsylvania.

 

[Moogy]

Our in-state tuition is way up there, so we got that going for us.

It's 19K. I think it was like 12K when I went there 25 years ago. While it's on the high end of "state schools," it's not an outrageous amount, especially when you consider that private schools are almost all sitting in the 55-64K range (and I believe they were mostly in the mid-30s or so 25 years ago.

 

[fairgambit]

HSo, middling.

While we're tossing numbers around, they overlooked mentioning that PSU is #2 in Pennsylvania.

I wish that were true. We are 6th among National Universities in PA behind Penn, Carnegie Mellon, Lehigh, Villanova, and Pitt. We do, however, have a larger football game attendance than all of those schools combined.

 

[PSUFTG]

Is this ranking exclusively for World Campus? So, when you say 7th in the Big Ten, you mean compared to other Big Ten university online programs? I took a couple of graduate school classes through World Campus in the early 00's when I was still in the Army (courses were 'free' to me). They didn't have a lot of programs back then but Penn State World Campus was one of the marquee programs offered as part of the Army's 'EArmyU' initiative. So, every soldier who wanted to pursue online education as part of this program could do so without using the GI Bill.

He doesn't know, so I will answer.

US News does a ranking of PURELY on-line programs. Penn State has one, and, as you surmised, it is what they call the "World Campus".
I am not sure how common knowledge this is, but it is a separate college (including having a separate tuition structure - and is, of course, all "remote" in its delivery).
Very few highly-regarded Universities have such a college associated with them. Not as a stand-alone (though many, of course, have remote delivery systems, just not as a complete separate entity). So the "competition" within this space, as defined by the US News rankings, is not exactly what one might expect.
There are, literally, only a couple of Big Ten universities that even have such affiliates.

Not too awful long ago, the space was basically "schools" like the University of Phoenix, and Southern New Hampshire. That has certainly been changing, of course.
Among Big Ten universities, Ohio State also rolled out on on-line platform (ranked higher than Penn State's), Indiana rolled out a program that is essentially on-line (and I believe it was included in the US News rankings), and Purdue set up a fairly unique program, partnering with a third party on-line platform that, as I understand, has experienced some growing pains - and may be being de-emphasized, I'm not sure. (I am not sure if they consider it part of Purdue, or a separate entity). There may be others in the Big Ten, but I don't think so.

But when you look at the "Eltie", Top-50 on-line programs, you don't see Yale or Princeton - or even most of the mid-level universities. What you do see are a lot of unknowns, and programs rolled out at "branch campuses" of larger university systems.
Among the Top 50 are schools like University of North Florida, Clarion, Daytona State College, University of Wisconsin at Whitewater, University of Illinois at Chicago, University of Nebraska at Omaha, University of Missouri at St Louis, Pensacola State College. You also see a handful of major universities, generally, but not always, of mediocre (for large universities) reputation - Arizona State, Florida, Alabama are a few - doing what Penn State is doing - setting up on-line adjuncts to their large public university.

Good, bad, indifferent? Who knows, but it is what it is. For those schools who have gone that route, the operating margins, as you might expect, are very large (though you might not find that information from Penn State, for example). Do they - the on-line universities - serve a purpose in some markets? Sure, if done correctly. Can Penn State's World Campus serve a valuable purpose? Sure, again, if done correctly.
Are they congruent with, or comparable to, high-quality academic and research institutions? No.

 

[PSUFTG]

It's 19K. I think it was like 12K when I went there 25 years ago. While it's on the high end of "state schools," it's not an outrageous amount, especially when you consider that private schools are almost all sitting in the 55-64K range (and I believe they were mostly in the mid-30s or so 25 years ago.

Penn State's 4-year costs for In-State students is the highest of any public university in the nation (Pitt's is nearly as high - may be a bit higher for 1st two years, but less for 3rd and 4th, but a bit lower overall), William and Mary is also very pricy for in-state (may have even surpassed Penn State in some categories).
Whether being the most expensive - and just about double the average of other Big Ten publics - is "outrageous" is a subjective assessment, of course.

Comparing Publics to Privates is, of course, silly. Anyone who has ever looked at those options knows that, among other things, the difference in sticker-price vs actual costs, for Privates, is huge. Most high-quality privates provide full-need scholarships to every student - so only the "wealthy kids", of which there are, of course, many, pay anything close to the sticker price. Just as one for instance, at the U of Penn, no student with income under $100,000 (more or less) pays a dime in tuition. Each private university, of course, varies - because they can do whatever the heck they want. Including, of course, admitting enough "rich kids", paying full slate, to make sure the revenue is sufficient - though even the privates, in recent years, are experiencing different governmental and advocacy groups getting into their underwear with regard to admissions practices. But that is another issue.

 

[PSUFTG]

7th is overall ranking in the Big10, not just online. Our online performance is higher than the overall rankings and is top ten in many categories.

Uh, close, but not quite.

Tied for 8th/9th - with Rutgers

Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue above Penn State. But maybe you weren't a math guy?


At the time of Barron's arrival, Penn State was 3rd (behind only Northwestern and Michigan). So, rough back-of-the-envelope analysis , that would mean Penn State has dropped significantly. Some might say plummeted.
You are, of course, free to applaud his accomplishments.

 

[Nitwit]

Uh, close, but not quite.

Tied for 8th/9th - with Rutgers

Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue above Penn State. But maybe you weren't a math guy?


At the time of Barron's arrival, Penn State was 3rd (behind only Northwestern and Michigan). So, rough back-of-the-envelope analysis , that would mean Penn State has dropped significantly. Some might say plummeted.
You are, of course, free to applaud his accomplishments.

Perhaps you should take a course in reading comprehension before you rush to criticize. Again. Tied for 7. Barry being Barry….

 

[fairgambit]

Perhaps you should take a course in reading comprehension before you rush to criticize. Again. Tied for 7. Barry being Barry….

You are both right. Penn State is 7th in the BigTen among Public Universities, but 8th if you factor in Northwestern which is considered Private.

 

[PSUFTG]

Perhaps you should take a course in reading comprehension before you rush to criticize. Again. Tied for 7.

I believe I wrote:
"Tied for 8th/9th - with Rutgers
Northwestern, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue above Penn State. "

I am trying to find the "error" there

But, yes, of course, that is a commendable achievement.
Taking over a University ranked only behind Northwestern and Michigan - and parlaying those resources into a ranking below 5 more of the Big Ten schools - Illinois, Wisconsin, Maryland, Ohio State, and Purdue - and tying with Rutgers .
That, I believe, was the point.

Do you have a point? If not, feel free - however you want to count your digits - to celebrate that "eliteness" to your heart's content. That seems to be your quest, far be it for me to interfere.

 

[GrimReaper]

I wish that were true. We are 6th among National Universities in PA behind Penn, Carnegie Mellon, Lehigh, Villanova, and Pitt. We do, however, have a larger football game attendance than all of those schools combined.

Believe the discussion was about public schools here. And that Villanova is ranked ahead of PSU demonstrates what sort of joke those rankings are.

 

[fairgambit]

Believe the discussion was about public schools here. And that Villanova is ranked ahead of PSU demonstrates what sort of joke those rankings are.

Yes. The original post was about Public Universities. My post included both public and private but I did not make that clear. I apologize for the error.

 

[Nitwit]

The point of the original post was that Penn State has excelled by far in its world campus performance. The data support that even if the posters here do not. Moreover taking into account the overall ranking of the university in its entirety against against other public universities, it finds itself about average in the Big10 and well above most public universities nationally according to the latest US News and World Report article.

 

[GrimReaper]

So you take solace from being average among Big Ten schools (and better than Minnehaha is dubious) and better than places like Eastern Washington and SUNY-Potsdam? Make sure Neeli has you on speed-dial.

 

[fairgambit]

The point of the original post was that Penn State has excelled by far in its world campus performance. The data support that even if the posters here do not. Moreover taking into account the overall ranking of the university in its entirety against against other public universities, it finds itself about average in the Big10 and well above most public universities nationally according to the latest US News and World Report article.

The World Campus performance should be applauded but I also agree with those (including me) who think that Penn State, as a traditional university, has regressed. There was a time, not so long ago, when it was moving up among similarly positioned universities and establishing itself as a top tier school. In recent years it has lost ground. We should be a top 5 BigTen school and ahead of schools like Pitt, Florida State, and Georgia. The tea leaves suggest the decline will continue. Perhaps the new President will turn things around but she will be hampered by a substandard Board of Trustees. I am not optimistic

 

[LionJim]

Believe the discussion was about public schools here. And that Villanova is ranked ahead of PSU demonstrates what sort of joke those rankings are.

Thank you.

 

[Tototootsi]

From some of the things I have read and seen on the news, PSU appears to becoming the wokest of them all...starting with the pronoun police. It is good to be first at something.

 

[Nitwit]

So you take solace from being average among Big Ten schools (and better than Minnehaha is dubious) and better than places like Eastern Washington and SUNY-Potsdam? Make sure Neeli has you on speed-dial.

I’m taking solice? Where did I say that? I’m just reporting the results. The numbers are what they are. Don’t read between the lines or assume I’m expressing an opinion.

 

[Nits74]

Believe the discussion was about public schools here. And that Villanova is ranked ahead of PSU demonstrates what sort of joke those rankings are.

Funny thing is, when Penn State was ranked much higher. very few here were saying that these sort of rankings were a joke.