Penn State ranked (for Academics) number 66 out of the 132 schools that have D1 (FBS) Football
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On the good news side, all the recent PSU grads I know have gotten good jobs or a good grad school program . No shortage of kids wanting to go there either from what I can tell . No one is saying gee their US News ranking is sliding I’m not going there .
Interesting numbers from our "BOT Watch Dog" news letter
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PSU tops in B1G....
in student tuition costs and University President salary. Many times i have heard how U Michigan is so superior to PSU academically....yet their President's salary is less than PSU? I also heard PSU had a hiring freeze and major cost cutting initiative....yet the BOT is handing Neeli a...
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Well, that's great! We're No. 1! 'Bout time.
Well Stamford, at least in THRON
True, and that's a resounding number 1. No other institution is close, and it's so admirable.
We were not about to get out bid by UL .
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Perhaps, and if so, we are 11th in the current BigTen.
There was a time when I thought I was fortunate to be accepted by Penn State given my high school academics. Were I applying today I think they would be lucky to get me.
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Hard to know the motivations, for sure. But 80% of the kids PSU offers admission to are choosing to go elsewhere, for some reason or another.
What's the trend in this department? Typically, I only see refenced the rate of acceptance by the college, but not the percentage accepted offers by the candidates that convert into enrollment. Do you know this rate at other B1G schools? TY.
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You probably would not have applied. The way things are now, I'm sorry to say that it's the school from which I graduated. The University has become a disgrace.
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One likely factor in the 80% is that with the Common Application kids are applying to more schools than they used to.
I know PSU, as of last report, had the lowest yield in the conference. I'd have to check for exact numbers.
That's what I was trying ot account for in the question. College Board recommends applying to four to eight schools. My kids only applied to Schreyer. So I don't have much personal experience.
I would guess the sticker shock sets in after the applicant gets the financial aid package from PSU.
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No doubt, just about every school sees lower yields since the common app (that's pretty much a mathematical certainty
)So it is important - if one wants any informative data - to look at numbers relative to others in the same time frame.
In that regard, PSU was/is lowest in the B10.
Sadly, I must agree. Dear Old State has been trending down for years. I have memories of happier times, both before and after, graduation, but what keeps me on this board are the people here, not Penn State.
I believe - strongly - that ranking Penn State at #66 of the 132 CFB schools that play D-1 football is a joke. Realistically, Penn State should slot in somewhere near 30th, at worst. And that's only because some quality private schools are in the mix in this ranking (e.g., Stanford, Duke, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, USC). PSU was the No. 7 public university, academically, as recent as 2014. I simply don't accept that the school fell that far that fast. I'm honking the B.S. Horn on that one.
I am not sure of exactly where it would fit in nationally, but the # of applications received by PSU is very high - and I think would be among the highest in the nation.
In any event, PSU has historically received a very high number of applications (as you point out), and still does receive a large number (even relative to other peer schools). What has changed is the ability to turn "application" into "enrollment".
Having the largest enrollment, largest alumni base, and - as is often cited - the largest population within 300 miles of campus of any university (or whatever figure gets cited) all work in favor of a lot of applications. Not requiring test scores is another (and I think PSU may have the lowest percentage of applicants submitting test scores of any in the Big Ten - though I couldn't say for 100% sure OTTOMH)
Of course, having a lot of applications from underqualified candidates, and/or a lot of applications from more qualified candidates (who opt not to enroll) doesn't really help much (which is a large part of the reason for PSU's precipitous decline in so many academic metrics and ratings).
It was not that long ago PSU would consistently enjoy very respectable rankings among public universities. The amount of research that comes out of the university in combination with a number of highly rated departments/programs used to make a big impact. Similarly, I was always told that a Penn State degree looked impressive to many employers. But this past decade has been a stead diet of disappointment in terms of these rankings. I assume some of it is definitely warranted but some of it also may be a product of a shift in ranking methodologies from what used to be. The disparity between PSU's rankings in the various publications is somewhat telling in regards to methodologies. In reality, is PSU less academically respected in society than all of the schools ranked ahead of it in this list? Highly doubtful.
Used to read US News & World Report Rankings religiously and PSU used to sit anywhere from 35 - 45 in National Rankings. Well above OSU, Pitt, WVU, and other peer schools. I don't think the quality of education or 'product' at PSU is inferior now, but it's absolutely not a good value/ROI compared to other peer institutions. Honestly, the best thing PSU has going for it is downtown State College and while unfortunate, I think the Sandusky scandal still stings. I wouldn't send my kids there (too big, almost Wal-Mart-esque, leadership/spending is terrible, reputation is stale) but I did enjoy my time there and my kids love Penn State athletics.
Cut the fat and downsize. Hard to be elite when you have such a ginormous enrollment.
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| Rank | Name | Classification | Location | Enrollment |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| U.S. Department of Education Fall 2020 Enrollment[2] | ||||
| 1 | Western Governors University | Private | Online | 147,866 |
| 2 | Southern New Hampshire University | Private, Non-profit | New Hampshire | 134,345 |
| 3 | Grand Canyon University | Private, For-profit | Arizona | 103,427 |
| 4 | Liberty University | Private | Virginia | 93,349 |
| 5 | The Pennsylvania State University | Public | Pennsylvania | 89,816 |
| 6 | University of Phoenix-Arizona | Private, For-profit | Arizona | 89,763 |
| 7 | Arizona State University Campus Immersion | Public research university | Arizona | 74,795 |
| 8 | Dallas College | TBC | Texas | 74,781 |
| 9 | University of Central Florida | Public | Florida | 71,881 |
| 10 | Texas A & M University-College Station | Public | Texas | 70,418 |
Well, a good part of that right there is a product of a large online-only student population (something like 15,000). PSU was one of the first public universities to go big on its world campus. Look at many of the names on that list and they have done the same.Cut the fat and downsize. Hard to be elite when you have such a ginormous enrollment.
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U.S. Department of Education Fall 2020 Enrollment[2] Rank Name Classification Location Enrollment 1 Western Governors University Private Online 147,866 2 Southern New Hampshire University Private, Non-profit New Hampshire 134,345 3 Grand Canyon University Private, For-profit Arizona 103,427 4 Liberty University Private Virginia 93,349 5 The Pennsylvania State University Public Pennsylvania 89,816 6 University of Phoenix-Arizona Private, For-profit Arizona 89,763 7 Arizona State University Campus Immersion Public research university Arizona 74,795 8 Dallas College TBC Texas 74,781 9 University of Central Florida Public Florida 71,881 10 Texas A & M University-College Station Public Texas 70,418
Cut the fat and downsize. Hard to be elite when you have such a ginormous enrollment.
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U.S. Department of Education Fall 2020 Enrollment[2] Rank Name Classification Location Enrollment 1 Western Governors University Private Online 147,866 2 Southern New Hampshire University Private, Non-profit New Hampshire 134,345 3 Grand Canyon University Private, For-profit Arizona 103,427 4 Liberty University Private Virginia 93,349 5 The Pennsylvania State University Public Pennsylvania 89,816 6 University of Phoenix-Arizona Private, For-profit Arizona 89,763 7 Arizona State University Campus Immersion Public research university Arizona 74,795 8 Dallas College TBC Texas 74,781 9 University of Central Florida Public Florida 71,881 10 Texas A & M University-College Station Public Texas 70,418
What the hell is Dallas College?
Anyway, we can’t rest until we’re bigger than WGU.
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