With all the pub regarding Caitlin Clark, I googled Pistol Pete and learned that he attended Daniel High School. I wasn't aware of his SC connection, or maybe I forgot. Some of you on here may have stories of his accomplishments there. On another note, I enjoyed seeing references to Pearl Moore of Francis Marion in many of the articles about Clark.
Pistol Pete
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If you converted all Caitlin's 3-pointers into 2-pointers how far away from Pete's record? No 3-point line back then.
Also Pistol played before the shot clock era as well. I can't imagine the damage that guy would do with a 3 point line and a shot clock.
She's made 509 3-pointers, so take away that many points. Also, not inconsequential is that she's played in 47 more games than Maravich. I mean, come on. 47 more games???
She's a generational talent and her point total is phenomenal. It just not comparable to Maravich's.
No 3 pointer.
No shot clock.
An extra 1.5 season of games.
He averaged right 44 points each of his 3 seasons. If you gave him just 25 more games, that's 1,100 more points, which puts the record out of reach.
It's interesting to note, in her 130 career games, Clark has made 1,207 FG. In his 83 career games, Maravich made 1,387 FG.
Clark obviously benefitted HEAVILY from the 3, which is fine. She's great at it. It's far too different to even compare the two.
Clark obviously benefitted HEAVILY from the 3, which is fine. She's great at it. It's far too different to even compare the two.
I remember the first thing I would do in the mornings after LSU had a game was to go outside and get the newspaper to see how many points he had scored. As for this ridiculous narrative trying to compare the women's record to the men's, it is apples to oranges. We have heard all of the arguments to support this but let Clark try to play with a regulation sized ball that the men use and see how many records she breaks.
Thank you. This is the only way you can compare the modern era vs the historical era. Even then, it doesn't account for the shot clock.
For me, the main sticking point is the number of games. Goodness, Roger Maris had an asterisk beside his home run record b/c it took him 8 extra games to break the record. Clark took 47 extra games to surpass Maravich.
Right. And it's hard to quantify this, but today's game HEAVILY benefits the offensive player. Shoot, just look back to how the game was played in the 90s vs now as far what's called a foul.
Welcome to the new woke world. Facts mean nothing when you are talking about a GIRL breaking a long standing record held by a toxic male.
Clark's record won't stand for long. Some guy who decides he is a girl basketball player will break her record in the next 10 years. I'm waiting for some college to field an all trans female basketball team and go on a five year undefeated streak playing against real girls.
Clark's record won't stand for long. Some guy who decides he is a girl basketball player will break her record in the next 10 years. I'm waiting for some college to field an all trans female basketball team and go on a five year undefeated streak playing against real girls.
It has been surprising to me that none of the reports I've read offer any context to Clark "breaking" the record. They all just make it sound like she straight-up broke the record.
Bottom line is this: men's basketball is different from women's basketball. Ditto golf. Ditto Tennis. Ditto almost anything sports-related you can think of. Overall records should be maintained separate.
For me it's the fact that he didn't play against girls.
What a great, great player Pistol Pete was. Some here may not realize that his Dad was Clemson's Head Basketball Coach for several years.
When McGuire recruited the late Jackie Gilloon, Jackie was compared to Pete. But, of course, Pete played in a different galaxy.
When McGuire recruited the late Jackie Gilloon, Jackie was compared to Pete. But, of course, Pete played in a different galaxy.
Our information overlords can't let facts get in the way of a story about women being better than men.
Stock, this movie kept my son glued to the TV back in the VHS days. Ended up buying another.
The film is really about Pete playing at Daniel with his father coaching. I don't even know if it ever gets streamed. Likely not.
Inspirational is the tone of the show.
And while I'm in this thread I'll say the comparisons being made about players, points, etc. are really moot. Different levels of colleges played for and I just can't see where men and women records can be comparable.
With that, I give a shout out to Pearl Moore, the pride of FMC (now FMU) who scored a mind boggling 4,061 collegiate points from 1975 to 1979. She's quite a story.
From Maravich's Wikipedia page:
"It has been reported that former LSU coach Dale Brown charted every shot Maravich scored and concluded that, if his shots from three-point range had been counted as three points, Maravich's average would have totaled 57 points per game[11][12] and 12 three-pointers per game."
Brown's claim is probably a dubious one, but if it's even half correct, Maravich would have averaged 50 points per game.
Jackie Gilloon, blast from the past
. Pistol Pete was the talk among my friends as kids playing ball in the backyard. We got the occasional glimpse of him on the "game of the week" on TV.
Pete's dad coached Clemson at that time. I've been to a volleyball tourney there and they have banners hanging for his years there.
He also scored 771 points his freshman year playing on the freshman team. No credit.
Press was at Campbell College Basketball Camp when I was a kid and on one of the last days Pete showed up and did a skills exhibition, I had never seen anything like it, it was worth the price of the camp for sure and was so inspirational for a young basketball player, I'll never forget it! I believe he was still at LSU, the dribbling drills were unbelievable, and the passing drills were crazy, behind the back with both hands on a rope for what seemed like half the court, he ended it with an off the backboard pass with a dunk that about brought the little Campbell gym down. I remember carrying a basketball around constantly the entire summer.
Well, true, but you'll never get that context in the media. It would paint the girl's game as inferior to the men's game, when the narrative is that they are equals.
However, even if it was a guy "breaking the record", 47 extra games would be essential context. T
He was only at Daniel for 2 years while his dad was an assistant at Clemson. I know there was a lot of buzz about him going to Clemson until his dad left NC State to be the HC at LSU.
If it was a guy breaking the record then, yes, extra games played becomes an issue. If Maravich played against girls I could see him easily AVERAGING 100 points PER GAME. What would the record be then?
And look at the reverse of this. How would Clark fare playing against the guys? I think most people realize the ridiculousness of this comparison but it generates interest for whatever reason....
I'm guessing she might have about 50 points in her entire career. But I'm just guessing.
So, all you have to do is ignore that Maravich:
Had no 3 point shot
Played 47 fewer games
Had no shot clock
And can't count 771 points from his freshman year
From there it's fairly straightforward.
Had no 3 point shot
Played 47 fewer games
Had no shot clock
And can't count 771 points from his freshman year
From there it's fairly straightforward.
You keep leaving out the girl part.
Well, since she competed only against girls and he competed only against guys, I'm gonna say that's like-for-like and let it cancel out. Gotta give her something. But I think that goes along with she should rightfully be acknowledged as the record holder for girls and Maravich for guys.
They're 2 different things.
Iowa's coach took an odd approach. She conceded that the 2 records are not comparable but took the approach that they are not comparable b/c Maravich is a man you don't need to use Maravich's record to set the bar for female accomplishment. Basically, a gender thing that women are great on their own without being compared to men.
Maybe we should just add Pete's freshman year totals, since all get four years today, and let that be the record.
ESPN likes controversy. It stirs up fans, creates interest in ESPN stories, and increases the number of clicks.. All of this generates more revenue for ESPN. We should stop comparing Clark and Maravich and celebrate their accomplishments in their respective sports.
The same create-controversy-and-sell-ads approach can be seen at many "news" outlets.
The same create-controversy-and-sell-ads approach can be seen at many "news" outlets.
Wish I could have seen Pistol Pete in action - I'm only old enough to have seen highlights and some behind the scenes, documentary type stuff. Seemed like a real technician of the game. So skilled and creative - and worked his tail off to get there.
Clark is great too. Also a technician of the game. And a generational talent.
Both can be great and appreciated. Numbers are just numbers. Fun to debate, but no one has to be put down to build the other one up.
Clark is great too. Also a technician of the game. And a generational talent.
Both can be great and appreciated. Numbers are just numbers. Fun to debate, but no one has to be put down to build the other one up.
I know, of course the game is different now. That’s true in all basketball records in all leagues. Heck, in football too when you consider the offensive rules now. But…no guy has beaten Pete’s record with the three point line yet. It’s fun to watch a gym rat like Caitlyn. More power to her (unless she plays us again), and more power to the next guy or girl that scores this much.