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I'll pencil you in as a happy participant in the right/good left/bad train of thought that gets us nowhere. You're thinking the same way as the left/good right/bad temper tantrum throwers. The comparison earlier to your feelings being like sports was perfect. A lot of people get fired up for tribal politics. You have a team and you want to win. I get it. I wish I could view politics as simply as sports and have my own team. Would make life a lot easier tbh - having a team I thought was inherently good and a rival that was inherently evil. I wouldn't have to consider context or who was lying to me for votes.
Cool. I used to be on the other team. Then they went so far off the edge I ended up switching jerseys. But whatever makes you feel good.
 

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For waste, I was thinking of trany operas and circumcisions in foreign countries, but I guess not everyone considers that waste. I guess I shouldn’t speak for they
Correct me if I'm wrong - but I don't think any wastes identified have been hidden - at least not from the viewpoint of Congress. Congress has always had ways of using government resources to find waste but if they ignore it then outrage needs to be directed to the current session to fix.

If the fallout from the DOGE stuff is making the public more aware of certain wastes and that causes pressure on Congress to fix it, then this is a great thing (provided cost/benefit says it is). If the end result is "world richest man makes overhauls to the government" because the president signs off on it - then that's a bad thing even if I were to agree with the ends. Constitution/process is still important. If Congress signs off on something dumb, they need to be the one to fix it. Any admin any era. They make the laws and control the dollars. They need to do their 17ing jobs instead of the 24/7 theatrics in this mind numbing effort to turn the public against each other so they don't actually have to do meaningful work/compromise and instead spend their efforts in a perpetual fundraising season.
 

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For waste, I was thinking of trany operas and circumcisions in foreign countries, but I guess not everyone considers that waste. I guess I shouldn’t speak for they
Ok... circumcisions, the medical procedure scientifically proven to reduce the risk of contracting AIDS and HIV? Yeah, why would the United States want to bring down the worldwide number of AIDS and HIV cases? Total waste.***

Now... the opera... I dunno. I'm seeing reports that it wasn't directly funded by USAID. A university in Bogota co-funded the opera and that university received money from USAID from a general diplomatic grant. It doesn't sound like the USAID money was directly tied to the production. It makes a good sound bite and gets people riled up, but it doesn't appear to be the heinous "wokeness" it's being made out to be. Now... if you want to make the argument that maybe the United States shouldn't be funding any foreign universities, that's a good conversation to have. We can have that conversation without creating a transgender boogeyman though.
 

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Are you sure it wasn't Trumps genius that won over Tim? I honestly can't imagine that there has ever been a bigger disparity in intelligence, leadership and competence than existed in that room during that meeting. Even if Trump was sole responsible and Tim Cook left that meeting praising him while Apple employees threw palm fronds in front of him as he exited, it is no excuse to enable him to trample the Constitution and our laws and it is no excuse for our congressmen to allow it, regardless of party; they have an oath to the Constitution, not the leader. Thank goodness, as I was told on here pre-election, Project 2025 and it's Gestapo-like policies, aren't anything Trump knows about or I'd be worried.

Character matters. It used to matter to the party of law and order. And the MAGAs on here pretending that the authoritarian movements that brought us Hitler, Mussolini, etc. were from the Left are just willfully ignorant. Google is your friend, or a local library, or call a historian...

The authoritarian movements led by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini are generally considered to be from the far right of the political spectrum.

Adolf Hitler: He led the National Socialist German Workers' Party (Nazi Party) in Germany, which promoted extreme nationalism, anti-Semitism, and totalitarianism.

Benito Mussolini: He founded the National Fascist Party in Italy, which emphasized strong centralized control, nationalism, and suppression of political opposition.

Both movements shared characteristics such as dictatorial power, suppression of dissent, and strong nationalist ideologies.

Here's another that sounds eerily familiar...Putin's ability to consolidate power has been attributed to his strategic appointments, control over key institutions, and the loyalty of the Russian elite

ETA: Because I have cited facts yet again, I fully expect the MAGAs to respond not with any substance or demonstrable fact but by calling names and yelling louder, a response that was once the liberal calling card...one fact remains cult members hate former cult members.
"Suppression of political opposition" - You mean like the Obama era IRS targeting Conservative 501c's?

"...loyalty of the [Russian] elite." - Do you really think the American "elites" support Trump and DOGE? They're the ones that are yelling the loudest about his "overreach" to eliminate Government waste & fraud.

TDS runs deep and causes normally rational people to say some incredibly irrational things....
 

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For waste, I was thinking of trany operas and circumcisions in foreign countries, but I guess not everyone considers that waste. I guess I shouldn’t speak for they
I read that the trans opera in Colombia took place in 2022. The money was spent and it wasnt ongoing. Instead of totally shutting down USAID, why not just, you know, implement a different way of approving spending? That would ensure spending aligns with the Administration's views.


Seems like a more effective way to manage, but thats just me spitballin from afar.
 

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Cool. I used to be on the other team. Then they went so far off the edge I ended up switching jerseys. But whatever makes you feel good.
I don't feel good. My choices are a party beholden to the orange guy and whatever the ketamine asks Elon to say and the party that figured out how to suck so hard to lose to them.
 
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We've deported in the past, present, and will in the future. You react positively right now due to the language around immigration involved. The stats a month in for Trump or so weren't really that good last I read. Let's give it a few more before we start making any conclusions on if his look significantly better or worse. Same with inflation, gas, etc.
Numbers at the border (illegal crossing attempts, CBP encounters, etc) are WAY better than they were now than a month ago. Also, deportations of criminal illegals are WAY up despite blue state governors and mayors opposing ICE efforts.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong - but I don't think any wastes identified have been hidden - at least not from the viewpoint of Congress. Congress has always had ways of using government resources to find waste but if they ignore it then outrage needs to be directed to the current session to fix.

If the fallout from the DOGE stuff is making the public more aware of certain wastes and that causes pressure on Congress to fix it, then this is a great thing (provided cost/benefit says it is). If the end result is "world richest man makes overhauls to the government" because the president signs off on it - then that's a bad thing even if I were to agree with the ends. Constitution/process is still important. If Congress signs off on something dumb, they need to be the one to fix it. Any admin any era. They make the laws and control the dollars. They need to do their 17ing jobs instead of the 24/7 theatrics in this mind numbing effort to turn the public against each other so they don't actually have to do meaningful work/compromise and instead spend their efforts in a perpetual fundraising season.
THANK YOU! You said it a lot more eloquently than I did.

Yes, Congress has a way to use government resources to find waste. It's called the Office of the Inspector General and there's one embedded within all departments of the government. Their entire job is to identify fraud, waste, and abuse, then generate reports and recommendations to Congress and the executive branch to rectify the issues that they've found. Like I said in another post, they have something like a 26 to 1 ROI. One of Trump's first acts as president was to immediately fire all but I think 2 of the Inspector Generals.
 
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This thread is a classic example of how information, thanks to our corporate controlled media, is used as a "stimulant."

Television and social media have altered the meaning of "being informed" creating a strain of information that's plain ole misinformation -- misleading, fragmented, and superficial. It creates the illusion of knowing something when the exact opposite is happening. But you're entertained.

The hyperconnected flow of information has real benefits, however look at what we got now: demagoguery and political theater, "flooding the zone with tons of sh!!!t!," folks who call themselves activists who hardly understand their causes, and a steadily declining trust in our institutions, along with a steadily declining trust in one another.
 

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Because they make an amazing taco and have a great sense of humor. You’d hate that place
Seems a bit odd to support deportation but also support a business you know employs illegals.
And seems a bit odd to support law and order but also support a business you know employs violent gang members.
To each their own though, I guess.
Iowa. That bastion of racial diversity.
Classic SPS- the person who wouldnt frequent a restaurant that they know employs illegals who are violent gang members is the one that is ripped on.
Meanwhile, the conservative who hyperfocuses on illegal immigration is happily supporting a business that employs(ed) multiple violent illegal immigrants that are gang members.
 
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Numbers at the border (illegal crossing attempts, CBP encounters, etc) are WAY better than they were now than a month ago. Also, deportations of criminal illegals are WAY up despite blue state governors and mayors opposing ICE efforts.
Good. If there are less encounters that will free up resources to deport people that don't need to be here. If that whole dynamic ends up successful we will also need a major overhaul on getting people in here legally (provided unemployment is low and we need to grow the SS base - we absolutely have to grow the SS base or we are 17ed)
 

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You're joking, right?
Jethreaux basically said I have no sense of humor a few post earlier, so no...I am not joking.

What have I copy/pasted that is propaganda?

This is just comical- me being called out for BS when multiple recent high post threads have been based on totally inaccurate info and a ton of posters just spouted off BS assumptions and conclusions in those threads. 0 obligation to truth when they realize the info was wrong or they were wrong. 0 sense of responsibility. Just move on and post the next hot take.
 
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Seems a bit odd to support deportation but also support a business you know employs illegals.
And seems a bit odd to support law and order but also support a business you know employs violent gang members.
To each their own though, I guess.

Classic SPS- the person who wouldnt frequent a restaurant that they know employs illegals who are violent gang members is the one that is ripped on.
Meanwhile, the conservative who hyperfocuses on illegal immigration is happily supporting a business that employs(ed) multiple violent illegal immigrants that are gang members.
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