Players drafted from this years team

[Rupert Jenkins]

I see a lot of comments about this team doesn't have a single player that eill get drafted to the NFL. But I wonder how much of that is about the talent level of the individual player or the pi$$ poor coaching and garbage scheme/team they are playing in. That's why a lot of top Mississippi kids wind up going to LSU or Bama. They know they will look better and play better somewhere more organized and better coached.

 

[patdog]

It’s the talent thing. We’re very poorly coached as well. But the NFL will draft you if you’ve got talent. We don’t.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I see a lot of comments about this team doesn't have a single player that eill get drafted to the NFL. But I wonder how much of that is about the talent level of the individual player or the pi$$ poor coaching and garbage scheme/team they are playing in. That's why a lot of top Mississippi kids wind up going to LSU or Bama. They know they will look better and play better somewhere more organized and better coached.

That’s those other schools recruiting pitch, but we’ve put a ton of guys in the league here lately. This isn’t Croom’s msu. Well, it wasn’t

 

[kired]

I think Tulu gets drafted, he’s got too much potential and will put up good numbers at the combine. Bookie and Pickering will get a look too.

Question is would their draft stock be higher if they played at Bama or LSU. I say Tulu maybe - he’d certainly had a better opportunity to showcase his skills… others probably not.

 

[josebrown]

It’s all speculation, but there’s no way these players don’t perform better if competently coached. Their tape means a lot to being drafted. You can’t just say if they have potential the NFL will find them. That’s not who they are. Some will get camp invites if potential is there, but draft prospects have to be competent, successful players on tape. They get noticed by performing, not playing slow, bad and running into each other or being out of position constantly. NFL don’t live off diamonds in the rough. At some point you’ve got to show you can play, and bad coaching doesn’t help.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

My point has nothing to do with the other teams. People are saying we have low talent and using it as an excuse for the poor play. Personally I think it's more coaching and scheme. True enough we aren't a team full of 4 and 5 star players but there are a lot of 4 star players on this team. Probly more than our average

 

[paindonthurt]

I see a lot of comments about this team doesn't have a single player that eill get drafted to the NFL. But I wonder how much of that is about the talent level of the individual player or the pi$$ poor coaching and garbage scheme/team they are playing in. That's why a lot of top Mississippi kids wind up going to LSU or Bama. They know they will look better and play better somewhere more organized and better coached.

Who do you think has the talent?

Out of juniors and seniors Pickering is the only one who might have the talent.

Watson and Jet are good college players but don’t have the speed.

Do we have some issues with coaching? Sure.
But our main problem is talent.

And a small part of that is on Arnett but it’s mainly on leach.

 

[paindonthurt]

My point has nothing to do with the other teams. People are saying we have low talent and using it as an excuse for the poor play. Personally I think it's more coaching and scheme. True enough we aren't a team full of 4 and 5 star players but there are a lot of 4 star players on this team. Probly more than our average

There are a lot of 4 stars on this team, but none of them are really good 4 stars.

We didn’t recruit bad but we misjudged on most of those high 3 and 4 stars.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

So the kids had potential coming out of high school snd regressed ? Or you think the recruiting services and all our coaches misjudged it and the players were not good ? Before you go disparaging them too much don't forget these same players went 9 and 4 last year. Yes we lost a shutdown corner and a good SAM linebacker. A couple of good DL and a couple of transfer safeties.

 

[patdog]

So the kids had potential coming out of high school snd regressed ? Or you think the recruiting services and all our coaches misjudged it and the players were not good ? Before you go disparaging them too much don't forget these same players went 9 and 4 last year. Yes we lost a shutdown corner and a good SAM linebacker. A couple of good DL and a couple of transfer safeties.

I think the recruiting ranking are worth about what the paper they're printed on is worth. And they're not even printed these days, so no paper = free. We've got maybe 2-3 players who may be drafted in the last 2 rounds, just as good chance no one is drafted though. And there's nobody on this team you can see starting for any length of time in the NFL. The talent level is as low as it's been for a long time. That's just not even close to be deniable.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Who do you think has the talent?

Out of juniors and seniors Pickering is the only one who might have the talent.

Watson and Jet are good college players but don’t have the speed.

Do we have some issues with coaching? Sure.
But our main problem is talent.

And a small part of that is on Arnett but it’s mainly on leach.

LOL

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

I didn't hear anybody b*tching about the talent level last year. Ain't that odd ?

 

[Mts68]

Crumedy will probably get drafted.

 

[patdog]

I didn't hear anybody b*tching about the talent level last year. Ain't that odd ?

We lost a LOT of talent from last year's team.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

So the kids had potential coming out of high school snd regressed ? Or you think the recruiting services and all our coaches misjudged it and the players were not good ? Before you go disparaging them too much don't forget these same players went 9 and 4 last year. Yes we lost a shutdown corner and a good SAM linebacker. A couple of good DL and a couple of transfer safeties.

So you say these same players went 9-4 and then you say we lost our best db(1st round), a starting lb and 2 dls. We also lost 3 of the 4 remaining starting dbs.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

We lost a LOT of talent from last year's team.

I just listed most of it. How many guys got drafted off last year's team ?? How many DB and RB did we sign out of the portal or did we miss on every one of them ? Do most teams not lose 10 or 12 guys every year ??

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

So you say these same players went 9-4 and then you say we lost our best db(1st round), a starting lb and 2 dls. We also lost 3 of the 4 remaining starting dbs.

Do teams not lose players every year ? Is the transfer portal not available to utilize for our coaches like it is every other coach ??

 

[OG Goat Holder]

So you say these same players went 9-4 and then you say we lost our best db(1st round), a starting lb and 2 dls. We also lost 3 of the 4 remaining starting dbs.

Defense was expected to regress some, with the DB losses. But offense, with essentially every starter returning, should have taken a leap.

The talent is not as bad as it is playing.

 

[She Mate Me]

Seems to be quite a few folks forgetting we also lost a guy who would clearly be one of our best receivers, if not the best, to the national champs.

We lost a lot and it didn't get replaced at all. It is what it is.

 

[She Mate Me]

Do teams not lose players every year ? Is the transfer portal not available to utilize for our coaches like it is every other coach ??

Yes, but to act like we were an attractive place for a good player in the portal to land after our HC passed away is not real rational.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I see a lot of comments about this team doesn't have a single player that eill get drafted to the NFL. But I wonder how much of that is about the talent level of the individual player or the pi$$ poor coaching and garbage scheme/team they are playing in. That's why a lot of top Mississippi kids wind up going to LSU or Bama. They know they will look better and play better somewhere more organized and better coached.

A lot of the top MS kids are going to LSU, Bama, AND Ole Miss, and they’ve been doing so for 3+ years now. It’s not a new problem. It started in earnest in 2021-2022. Arnett’s been the coach for 10 months. You do the math.

 

[JackShephard]

LOL

What part of that was funny?

 

[Perd Hapley]

I think Tulu gets drafted, he’s got too much potential and will put up good numbers at the combine. Bookie and Pickering will get a look too.

Question is would their draft stock be higher if they played at Bama or LSU. I say Tulu maybe - he’d certainly had a better opportunity to showcase his skills… others probably not.

Tulu would be our first WR drafted in nearly 30 years. Don’t get your hopes up.

Bookie and Pickering have 5-6 years of tape each. They’ve both been draft eligible for at least 2 years already. Yet here they are. If the NFL wanted them, they’d be there already.

 

[Perd Hapley]

My point has nothing to do with the other teams. People are saying we have low talent and using it as an excuse for the poor play. Personally I think it's more coaching and scheme. True enough we aren't a team full of 4 and 5 star players but there are a lot of 4 star players on this team. Probly more than our average

Saying you have a ton of 4* players is the same thing as saying you’ve eaten at tons of restaurants that had great Yelp reviews 3 or 4 years ago. Nobody gives a crap about who is a 4* or 2* or 5* once they actually see the field and get real evaluations from real coaches and real scouts.

Don’t tell me how highly rated the restaurant you ate at was a long time ago, tell me how good the 17ing steak is today. I’ll go ahead and spoil it for you, our 2-deep is filled with Applebee’s house sirloins and Bourbon Street steaks, with a very small handful of Longhorn NY strips.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I didn't hear anybody b*tching about the talent level last year. Ain't that odd ?

You mean before our coach died? The one we hired specifically because he had a unique approach that didn’t require having elite talent to win at a decent level?

You’d be correct in that assessment.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You mean before our coach died? The one we hired specifically because he had a unique approach that didn’t require having elite talent to win at a decent level?

You’d be correct in that assessment.

So tell me this.....what's the most likely scenario:

A) We hire another coach with a unique approach;
B) We recruit well enough to make Arnett successful;

What is it that you advocate?

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

A lot of the top MS kids are going to LSU, Bama, AND Ole Miss, and they’ve been doing so for 3+ years now. It’s not a new problem. It started in earnest in 2021-2022. Arnett’s been the coach for 10 months. You do the math.

9 and 4 vs this ****$how....you do the math

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

So tell me this.....what's the most likely scenario:

A) We hire another coach with a unique approach;
B) We recruit well enough to make Arnett successful;

What is it that you advocate?

One of those is a possibility. The other is not

 

[Perd Hapley]

I’m not advocating anything. Not saying Arnett is the answer. Just saying that talent on the roster is a major problem. I truly don’t think we’d be any better than 4-4 with Leach right now. However, we’d look more competent in both the wins and the losses than we have thus far. And we might turn what will be 5-7 / 6-6 into 6-6 / 7-5. Maybe we’d be at 5-3 right now with a win over Auburn if Rogers still got hurt but somehow Locke / Robertson didn’t bolt (which I think they would have anyway).

No matter who the next coach is, the talent has to be better. There are no more guys out there that have won big at have-not programs like Leach. He was the only apple on that tree.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

I distinctly remember a lot of folks saying we don't need all those WR anymore. We only need a couple of good ones cause we gone run the ball. Well we got Jrob, Tulu, Zavion, Creed, and a couple more we signed thru the portal. How many more do we need ? If we still had Rara ya think we would be winning more ? Probly not. I will give you Forbes. He is not replaceable. Wheat might be kinda hard to replace and the rest are just typical dudes that teams lose every year. Again, transfer portal was right there this spring. I guess everybody has their opinion. I think this staff sucks. The team is no better today than it was after the first game. Might be worse since everybody got their favorite QB out there

 

[paindonthurt]

LOL

Smiley face

 

[paindonthurt]

I didn't hear anybody b*tching about the talent level last year. Ain't that odd ?

Are you suggesting we didn’t lose some key defensive players from last year?

 

[patdog]

I truly don’t think we’d be any better than 4-4 with Leach right now. However, we’d look more competent in both the wins and the losses than we have thus far. And we might turn what will be 5-7 / 6-6 into 6-6 / 7-5. Maybe we’d be at 5-3 right now with a win over Auburn if Rogers still got hurt but somehow Locke / Robertson didn’t bolt (which I think they would have anyway).

No matter who the next coach is, the talent has to be better. There are no more guys out there that have won big at have-not programs like Leach. He was the only apple on that tree.

I think Leach would beat South Carolina and probably finish 7-5. Only 2 games better than I think Arnett will finish. But the eye test would be bigger than just 2 games difference. Bottom line is, no matter who the coach is, talent has to improve.

 

[paindonthurt]

I just listed most of it. How many guys got drafted off last year's team ?? How many DB and RB did we sign out of the portal or did we miss on every one of them ? Do most teams not lose 10 or 12 guys every year ??

Most teams don’t lose 8 or 9 starters on one side of the ball and pick right up where they left off on that side.
Before you respond, look up the definition to MOST

 

[paindonthurt]

Defense was expected to regress some, with the DB losses. But offense, with essentially every starter returning, should have taken a leap.

The talent is not as bad as it is playing.

It’s not that good but it’s also lost the most important part. The coach.

which everyone always knew that coach got the most with the least talent.

and that coach is the only coach that runs that exact offense.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I’m not advocating anything. Not saying Arnett is the answer. Just saying that talent on the roster is a major problem for a coach like Arnett.

Fixed that for you.

I truly don’t think we’d be any better than 4-4 with Leach right now. However, we’d look more competent in both the wins and the losses than we have thus far. And we might turn what will be 5-7 / 6-6 into 6-6 / 7-5. Maybe we’d be at 5-3 right now with a win over Auburn if Rogers still got hurt but somehow Locke / Robertson didn’t bolt (which I think they would have anyway).

Craziness. We'd have beaten Carolina and Auburn, and maybe one of LSU/Bama.

No matter who the next coach is, the talent has to be better. There are no more guys out there that have won big at have-not programs like Leach. He was the only apple on that tree.

Agree on the first sentence, disagree on the second/third.

On the first sentence, yeah, there's a reason that the Leach's top out at 10-2 and not 12-0. They don't fit everywhere. I do think he'd have gotten there at say, Tennessee, had they hired him.

On the second/third: Malzahn, Fritz, Chadwell, Rich Rod, Monken, etc. These are all coaches with an offensive system that is their advantage. These guys are all their own OCs and always will be.

 

[paindonthurt]

What part of that was funny?

Goat is gonna goat and be an idiot.

never really committing to something so he can always be “right”

like the interlocking msu logo and state script logo

 

[paindonthurt]

So tell me this.....what's the most likely scenario:

A) We hire another coach with a unique approach;
B) We recruit well enough to make Arnett successful;

What is it that you advocate?

You might be the dumbest most arrogant persona I’ve ever encountered. It’s pretty amazing.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

never really committing to something so he can always be “right”

You might be the dumbest most arrogant persona I’ve ever encountered. It’s pretty amazing.

You called me out for never committing, so man up. Answer my question above. A or B?

Commit.

 

[paindonthurt]

You called me out for never committing, so man up. Answer my question above. A or B?

Commit.

See I don’t care about always being right.

I’m also smarter than you. I realize when we hired Arnett there was no way to see the future in a bad situation.