Poll: Penn State today is further away from winning a B1G championship than it was in 2017?
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Winning the Big Ten from here on out is going to be a whole different ball game (all of big $$$$ football is now a whole different ball game than it was even 5 years ago).
The longer they have Franklin, the further from a championship they will be.
Adding competitive teams like Washington, Oregon, USC and UCLA creates a different dynamic in the now pathetic B1G. If you look at the schedule for next year three of those teams are added to the game against tOSU. Add the away games at Wisky, Minnesota, and W Virginia and a 3 to 4 loss season is not out of the question.
People who think 10 wins and a CFP appearance are in the cards, with the expansion to twelve teams, may be very disappointed.
That would be because USC and UCLA are “kicking butt” this year right?
And PSU is doing so much better against teams with a pulse? And if you bothered to read I called them "competitive" teams. Perhaps only Iowa in the B1G, outside of PSU/tOSU/UM, could be expected to challenge any of the new members.
I love this argument. PSU will lose 3-4 games prediction a year out. (yes, the OP said it's a possibility, not a prediction) Yet, if they happen to finish 10-2, it's an incredible disappointment. We deserve better. Fire everyone. (Sarcasm intended)
One day at a time, one game at a time.
Her is a way too early look at next year. I have them 9-3 (At worst 6-6)
@ WVU Win
Bowling Green Win
Kent State Win
Illinois Win
UCLA Win (Maybe not)
@USC Loss
@ Wisconsin Win (Maybe not)
TOSU Loss
Washington Loss (Maybe not)
@Purdue Win
@Minnesota Win (Maybe not)
Maryland Win
Dave, why are you taking USC so seriously? They don't impress me currently and will be without their 'all world' qb next season. Washington is a little more balanced, but will be dealing with a similar issue.
I believe if Reilly had a top ten defense similar to us, tOSU and UM they will be a perineal contender in playoffs. They can recruite well, Reilly is an offense guy, their people can offer large salaries for a defensive staff and players.
I wonder where USC can find the ingredients for a top defense?
USC is USC. Talent is always off the charts. Their backup quarterbacks are 4 and 5 stars. Their receivers are like a thoroughbred stable. USC skill people are all outstanding. They will reload. Penn State has to travel 3000 miles to play them. The Penn State road record under Bottom Feeder has been less than stellar.
When Penn State goes there who does USC have to defend? Its not exactly like Penn State will be rolling out Oregon and Washington WR talent. Penn State will have to rebuild their OL as well. How has that gone for them?I believe if Reilly had a top ten defense similar to us, tOSU and UM they will be a perineal contender in playoffs. They can recruite well, Reilly is an offense guy, their people can offer large salaries for a defensive staff and players.
I wonder where USC can find the ingredients for a top defense?
I wonder where USC can find the ingredients for a top defense?
MY reference was to .....Bvillebaron, not about USC vs PSU.
Read between the lines....who would make an excellent DC for Reilly?
Bvillebaron said:
"That would be because USC and UCLA are “kicking butt” this year right"
PSU has far more talent and depth across the board than that 2017 team. Defense is far better now.
I'll see your 14c and raise you 16c......
Who will replace Manny and any players that follow him? It's coming, I don't see him leaving for a HC position, but as a DC for a team that has potential of combining a good offense with a great defense.
Manny will make some money head coaching in the ACC or Big 12 (if that's what it is called). Maybe he goes to the SEC for a DC job and lots of cash working for a Saban or Kelly? Heck, maybe Michigan State, Minnesota, or Indiana come knocking for a head coach (think Narduzzi, sorry for that)?
As for DC there are many competent people out there. Kraft has his advisors and consultants and his own experience to fall back on. If Seider does not get the job they will find someone with talent.
USC? If Reilly is still there (something that is not assured) I dont see any DC hire to knock your socks off. That's not the Reilly way.
If Reilly gets an NFL job, Mike Elko, Mike Norvell or Kliff Kingsbury would be interesting USC candidates.
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Saw another thread that you daughter had a scare in NYC. Hopefully she and others avoid any tragedy.
God Bless
BTW, back in 2017 Penn State was losing to tOSU by a point and was a year away from beating them. Michigan was a winnable game more often than not at that time as well. Today? 0-6 the last three years against them. The tide is going out on those achievable B1G championship years. Things have definitely gone in the wrong direction.
Well, I guarantee Franklin will NOT go 0-10 against tOSU and UMich over the next five years!
Maybe, but that isn't the issue is it? What these teams do is create a middle tier of much better teams to play in the B1G. The top tier will also see at least two of these teams immediately challenge them. Up to now the best teams that Penn State had to worry about supplantiing them in the B1g's top tier were Iowa and Wisconsin. Now they have to deal with Oregon, USC, and Washington. Even UCLA is probably better than Wisky and the equal of Iowa.
I actually think PSU and Franklin are better off with a larger “middle tier” of teams in the conference because those are teams he can effectively beat and go full turtle against.
Largely I think the conference expansion is a good thing for PSU in addition to making the schedules more interesting/varied. Though winning the conference will be more difficult, looking worthy of the CFP could be easier.
Largely I think the conference expansion is a good thing for PSU in addition to making the schedules more interesting/varied. Though winning the conference will be more difficult, looking worthy of the CFP could be easier.
The individual 2017 season was the blown opportunity year of playing for the whole MNC.
Otherwise, they were closer to competing for the MNC this year than they were in 2016 when they won the conference, or 2018 when they were a definite step down.
This year hopefully ends like last year and somewhat 2019 (had blown Gopher opportunity). There just is another team or two better than them from the conference.
Otherwise, they were closer to competing for the MNC this year than they were in 2016 when they won the conference, or 2018 when they were a definite step down.
This year hopefully ends like last year and somewhat 2019 (had blown Gopher opportunity). There just is another team or two better than them from the conference.
And going forward, honestly, winning the Big Ten won't be as important as it was five years ago.
Way too early to make serious predictions - we don't even know what teams will really look like yet.
Based on recent histories of the opponents (and PSU), 9-3 sound reasonable for an expectation.
Last time a 9-3 would have made the Top 12 was 2019 (Auburn - who had just beaten Alabama, and had 3 very close losses, all to Top 10 teams, and 3 wins over ranked teams)
I wasn’t able to vote but that 2016 team had a tremendous offense. They took a little longer to gel, but once they started hitting on all cylinders they were the real deal. In 2017 they had two hiccups during the season, not being able to hold on against OSU, and I do not remember what happened against MSU. The ‘16 & ‘17 teams had a much better 1st string than this team. JMHO
It will be interesting. Remember the big ten was dead and had been irrelevant nationally since 1969. when psu entered the big they went undefeated and then Mich and osu all the sudden were better from 1995 on. Let’s see what happens with the big and pac 12 teams as they merge. More defense like big or more pourous defenses like the pac 12.
Good thing then that it appears PSU is limited to a single west coast trip per year.
MSU was the rain delay game; think we had a roughing the passer penalty on third down late in the game that kept their game winning drive alive. Recall someone dropping a sure fire INT too that would have ended it. IIRC….
I think that was Oruwariye who dropped the interception that was thrown right to his chest. Follows a long tradition of dropped interceptions by Penn State defenders.
The Amari O drop was, IIRC, the next year, in the game at PSU.
In the "rain game", it was M Allen on a safety blitz who hit the QB low and got the personal foul - allowing MSU to keep their final drive alive and kick the game-winning FG.
That happened immediately after PSU had a 4th and short in MSU territory Had a WIDE open slant to, I think Thompkins, that was a bit high, but catchable - and went through his hands. Would have essentially ended the game (PSU could have worked the clock down, then kicked game winning FG of their own).
The next year, at home, AO dropped the int that was right in his chest... then got beat on a TD pass down the sideline. Earlier in the game Conner Haywood (their FB/TE) threw the best pass of the game for a long gainer (may have been a TD, but if not it set up a short TD), that kept MSU in a very ugly game.
In the "rain game", it was M Allen on a safety blitz who hit the QB low and got the personal foul - allowing MSU to keep their final drive alive and kick the game-winning FG.
That happened immediately after PSU had a 4th and short in MSU territory Had a WIDE open slant to, I think Thompkins, that was a bit high, but catchable - and went through his hands. Would have essentially ended the game (PSU could have worked the clock down, then kicked game winning FG of their own).
The next year, at home, AO dropped the int that was right in his chest... then got beat on a TD pass down the sideline. Earlier in the game Conner Haywood (their FB/TE) threw the best pass of the game for a long gainer (may have been a TD, but if not it set up a short TD), that kept MSU in a very ugly game.
Obviously with the addition of the four PAC12 teams the waters have gotten deeper. So the challenge of winning the B1G has increased from a competition standpoint. 2017 was a better team than this year, and possibly next years team, so the odds of winning the conference are not as favorable as 6 years ago. Good club but not up the level of OSU, the current UM squad, and probably this years version of UW, and Oregon.
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