Not saying we can't beat those teams, but don't see up sweeping them like an annual MD or Rutgers game.
Poll: Penn State today is further away from winning a B1G championship than it was in 2017?
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Another meaningless expression of opinions that mean absolutely nothing. Might just as well hold your breath and stomp your feet. If being a PSU football fan hurts so much, why continue? 8 more years! 9-2 Boofnhoo WE DESERVE BETTER!
It will no longer be necessary to win the Big Ten to make the "playoff' (2nd, maybe 3rd place will get one into the post-season tourney now - but once that novelty wears off, who cares if you make the round of 12, just to then bow out?)
That said, with the move to 18 teams in the Big Ten, what would be the over/under on PSU Big Ten titles over the next decade? 1? 1 1/2 maybe? (What do any of the degenerate gamblers think would be the line?)
It is quite conceivable that 2023 will go down as the easiest path for PSU to a Big Ten title in the next 20-25 years.
All they had to do was win one of two against an injury-depleted OSU team (w a bad QB), or overcome a UM team, which is a very good team, but ran a mid-20th century offense.
C'est la vie.
Top 4 teams get a bye and better seedling’s including hosting games . It will be intereting to see if teams 8-12 or so make a run or just serve as cannon fodder .
You make an excellent point. This was the best opportunity for Franklin to win at least one game from Ohio State or Michigan. Ohio State was missing 3 high profile starters (DB, RB, WR) and had a very pedestrian QB when Penn State played them. What a waste of time for Penn State’s elite level defense.
Yep... time will tell. But being "10" "11" or "12" in the new so-called playoff may soon be a lot less desirable than going to Orlando for a week, having some fun, and playing a nice game against a good team.
As opposed to, say, practicing on an empty college campus over the holiday season, flying out to Eugene in December, getting your *** kicked, and jumping on a plane back to home.
I will "Joe Namath Guarantee" this.... within a few years, post novelty, you will see LOTS of players "opting out" of these oh-so-important "playoff games"
"12" as the post-season tourney number was (as opposed to say, 8, with the quarterfinals held at bowl sites), IMO, about the dumbest thing done by the College Football Powers-That-Be in a long time (which is saying something). Of course, those folks, the suits with fat wallets, will be the ones to benefit.
TV ratings will likely be very high for either scenario, but the deal for the teams, the players, and the fans (who might be interested in attending the actual games) is going to suck (relative to an "8").
As Lee Corso would have said - write it down.
Riley’s track record at 2 schools now is great offense and bad defense. That isn’t going to change overnight. He clearly doesn’t prioritize defense.I believe if Reilly had a top ten defense similar to us, tOSU and UM they will be a perineal contender in playoffs. They can recruite well, Reilly is an offense guy, their people can offer large salaries for a defensive staff and players.
I wonder where USC can find the ingredients for a top defense?
Why is the deal for the fans going to suck? On campus playoff games are going to suck? Another week for 107k to pack the Beav is going to suck? Another home game for the fans of OSU, Michigan, UGA, Washington, Oregon, LSU, etc. is going to suck for the fans of those teams or any other team that makes the playoff? You have a very strange take on things sometimes.
You obviously don't have a clue to the content in Barry's post to the future of college FB teams.
No more bowl games for a week of fun in the sun for the fans and the players. As an academic-student culture, Penn State athletics will no longer exist, it will be replaced by union organized employees of the university. I'm guessing their pay structure will be based on player position, Qb, OL, wr, etc. I believe, the only connection between PSU Football and the university, will be that the university is the owner of the team.
12 team playoffs...unless you're top seeded with byes, how many fans could afford to pay for travel, hotels, tickets, etc. for the gauntlet of making 2 or 3 playoff games, while in the end, after battling the bottom eight for chance at the premier four, most know who will be the final top four. Similar to today....
Reality.....the teams with the most money supply to buy the players will likely be the top four or five teams each year to knock off.
You obviously haven’t been paying attention. It’s already here. Look around. True college football died a long time ago and NIL was the last nail in the coffin. That’s why I was against paying players.
And for the record, Barry says a lot. Mostly a negative, antiPSU slant on everything. He seems to like to hear himself talk and I pay very little attention to it. I don’t know how people go through life being negative about everything every day. Life’s too short for that outlook. I also have an issue with people who’s first response to anything new without giving it a chance is , “it’s going to suck”.
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You have a typo in the year above. You should have 2017.
All they had to do was win one of two against arguably the least successful tOSU team of the last decade, or beat a MSU team that managed to lose 3 other games.
it’s true that the four West Coast teams seem to be an upgrade from playing Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, etc. However, not only do we have to play them; UM, OSU, etc also have to play them. The Big 18 may have years that a one, two or three loss team make the playoffs. A trip to Iowa City will be a real treat for them.
You're assuming we'll host a home game, meaning top 8 finish. We could end up at Eugene or at Tuscalossa
So what? That’s what college football is about. Home field advantage is huge. Playoff games with home field advantage is going to be great for college football. FCS and lower divisions have done it for years. I don’t know why anyone would be against that. The flip side is, make those southern boys come up to Columbus, Ann Arbor, or State College in mid/late December and earn it.
Very true.
As far as overall schedules are concerned:
PSU won't play both OSU and UM in the same season for at least the next 5 years:
Big Ten Conference Announces Future Football Schedule Formats for 2024-28 - Big Ten Conference
On the flip side, they will also play only 1 or 2 of Indiana, Rutgers, and Maryland each year (rather than all 3 each year)
The overall schedule each year may be a bit weaker, or more challenging, depending on how you look at it. My guess is that in a typical year it will be tougher than the last 2 years (which have been epically loaded with cupcakes - since the Big Ten was historically lacking in quality teams) - but some years may still be very weak (depending on how USC/UCLA/Oregon/and UW pan out - and only one of OSU/UM).
Next year will likely be a bit of a down year, since the good teams from out west will all be facing heavy graduation losses, especially at QB. OSU may prove to be the only high-end team on the 2024 PSU schedule - but time will tell. It also would be just about impossible to have as many cupcakes as the 10 we were blessed to see in 2023 and 2022 (probably the 2 thinnest schedules in modern day PSU history).
As far as the field of 12?
Most years, the new Big Ten will almost certainly have multiple teams with multiple losses making the field of 12.
2022 it would have been 4 total, 2 with multiple losses
2021, 3 total, 2 with multiple losses
2020 FUBAR
2019, 4 total, 3 with multiple losses
2018, 3 total, 2 with multiple losses
2017, 5 total, 4 with multiple losses
2016, 6 total, 4 with multiple losses
Total of 25 over last 6 years, with 17 being multiple loss teams (FWIW, that is just slightly more than the new SEC would have had, so the new Big Ten's share would have been the most of any conference)
Simply getting to the Field of 12, without advancing further, just won't mean much, once the novelty wears off.
Yep
FWIW:
The original post specifically talked about the situation for the 10/11/12 placed teams (and the same would go for, obviously, 9).
Those teams have 0.0% opportunity to host a Post-Season game.
Not against the playoffs but there was something cool about bowl trips that won't be matched by the first round of playoffs. Going to Seattle in December doesn't sound that appealing unless you like wet, dark, dreary weather. Wonder how they will manage ticket distribution.
Again, who cares? It’s more games and more opportunities for someone other than the top 4 to win it.Yep
FWIW:
The original post specifically talked about the situation for the 10/11/12 placed teams (and the same would go for, obviously, 9).
Those teams have 0.0% opportunity to host a Post-Season game.
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