POLL: Was Manny Diaz an upgrade at DC?

Was Manny Diaz an upgrade at DC?

  • Yes

    Votes: 163 83.2%
  • TBD

    Votes: 33 16.8%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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TheBigUglies

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I think it is too early to tell. Against weaker teams, the defense has been lights out. However, against scUM and O$U, the defense hung in there for a while but then let up long TDs that blew the game open. I would like to think that is more on the DC play calls then the players themselves. So, I would like to see the defense be more consistent against the stronger teams. Still need another season to determine if it was an upgrade.
 

Corner Room Breakfast

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Michigan had way too many rush yards against us , but Manny seemed to check that minus two outside runs against OSU.

Harrison ran free against us and couldn't fix it , otherwise Manny did fantastic this year. Manny needs a couple more pieces mostly on the DL.
 
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Hardslider33

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Close counts in horse shoes!! (and now Cornhole too!!) :LOL:
Well in today’s world, I should have left out the bombs part out. I will edit my post. Point remains the same, until he starts beating these teams. It doesn’t matter to me what his record is against the rest of the conference. If championship’s don’t matter to folks, we don’t need a new stadium or fancy practice facility. Most importantly we don’t need to spend 12million dollars a season on a staff. I saw the championship years live and in person. Really hope we can do it again. Manny is doing a good job but it still to early to say he’s better. We don’t know how long he is going to be here.
 

WestSideLion

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Manny has been - by and large - a significant upgrade this year. It’s amazing what pressure can do in terms of forcing opponents to make mistakes.

IMO, Manny raised the floor for the defense. The ceiling still comes down to a lack of talent/depth in spot. Ex: DT and LB.
 

s1uggo72

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the fact remains, both OSU & UM exploited Manny's D vs run, as Manny's D was not sound vs the run. Thats why we got beat, not talent.
 

TheBigUglies

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Well in today’s world, I should have left out the bombs part out. I will edit my post. Point remains the same, until he starts beating these teams. It doesn’t matter to me what his record is against the rest of the conference. If championship’s don’t matter to folks, we don’t need a new stadium or fancy practice facility. Most importantly we don’t need to spend 12million dollars a season on a staff. I saw the championship years live and in person. Really hope we can do it again. Manny is doing a good job but it still to early to say he’s better. We don’t know how long he is going to be here.
I totally agree!! Defense wins Championships!!

I channeled my father, whenever we used to say "almost", he would reply "almost only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes!!" I knew what you meant with your comments.
 
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CvilleElksCoach

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the fact remains, both OSU & UM exploited Manny's D vs run, as Manny's D was not sound vs the run. Thats why we got beat, not talent.
This is a ridiculous comment regarding OSU exploiting our run defense. They had 98 net yards rushing in 26 attempts. 41 of those yards were on one carry by Henderson. Without that carry they have 57 yards. To hold them under 100 is good defense. Michigan took advantage over poor gap control by our players, not scheme.
 

s1uggo72

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This is a ridiculous comment regarding OSU exploiting our run defense. They had 98 net yards rushing in 26 attempts. 41 of those yards were on one carry by Henderson. Without that carry they have 57 yards. To hold them under 100 is good defense. Michigan took advantage over poor gap control by our players, not scheme.
and those 41 yds came when they werent sound. you can play a 1 and a 5 to strong side, but also expect the back to hit his head on the goal posts.
we had poor gap control vs UM because when we lined up, we were out manned at the POA.

vs OSU


vs UM not sound, no force to the TE side, DE inside of the TE
 
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Ram20

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I think there is a dirty secret about Coordinators that few will appreciate, but I believe it. A coordinator should not be at a school longer than 3-4 years unless they can materially change the tendencies and are wonderful at adaptation(to opponents systems and their own ever evolving sets of players). Don't get me wrong, some can and some have such bulletproof systems and wonderful recruiting that they are going to be high performing every year. I liked Pry, but he never changed much. Same system, same blitz packages, same tendencies and at some point every team in the BIG knew how to beat him. That brings me to Manny, I think he has largely been wonderful and I don't hold the Michigan/OSU games against him in his first year. The last two weeks in particular(and I don't care about the competition, Pry gave up a lot of yards to limited teams), the defense has blossomed in a way we haven't seen in a while. As is always the case, I will be interested to see if the trend continues into next year or if OC's start to sort of figure out Diaz the way he eventually became exposed at places like Texas.
 

rudedude

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It finally looks like the defensive players are really grasping the scheme at this point in the season. That plus our younger players now have more experience. Last week Maryland couldn’t do anything vs the defense. Indiana also did diddly as did Minnesota. Marvin Harrison is a tough match up for anyone. Offense let us down in the Ohio State game with turnovers and, if you recall (miracles of miracles) we were actually in the Michigan game until two long runs got us.
 

PSUJam

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and those 41 yds came when they werent sound. you can play a 1 and a 5 to strong side, but also expect the back to hit his head on the goal posts.
we had poor gap control vs UM because when we lined up, we were out manned at the POA.

vs OSU


vs UM not sound, no force to the TE side, DE inside of the TE

I agree with @CvilleElksCoach. Our defense left the middle of the field open all day but Day chose not to exploit it until the end of the game. It's like OSU was trying to play Michigan style bully ball the first 3 1/2 quarters and it wasn't working so they just decided to take what we were giving them. Were they practicing on us what they're going to try to do vs. Michigan since that's how Michigan trounced them last year? I don't know, but it wasn't our run defense that was the issue in that game.
 
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s1uggo72

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Be honest. You came into this with heavy bias against MD.
and it got heavier when Manny started having our guys line up without giving them a chance to be successful. You cant run a 7 to the TE with out somebody being outside to force or contain. Heck you as the TE could make that block vs Reggie White. And thats why we got beat. Our guys played hard, they were put into impossible positions.
 
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s1uggo72

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I agree with @CvilleElksCoach. Our defense left the middle of the field open all day but Day chose not to exploit it until the end of the game. It's like OSU was trying to play Michigan style bully ball the first 3 1/2 quarters and it wasn't working so they just decided to take what we were giving them. Were they practicing on us what they're going to try to do vs. Michigan since that's how Michigan trounced them last year? I don't know, nut it wasn't our run defense that was the issue in that game.
say whatever you want but the tape does not lie. We werent sound defensively on those plays. and thats his job to make sure we are.
 

Grant Green

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and it got heavier when Manny started having our guys line up without giving them a chance to be successful. You cant run a 7 to the TE with out somebody being outside to force or contain. Heck you as the TE could make that block vs Reggie White. And thats why we got beat. Our guys played hard, they were put into impossible positions.
bias prevents people from making honest impartial assessments.
 

Hugh Laurie

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the fact remains, both OSU & UM exploited Manny's D vs run, as Manny's D was not sound vs the run. Thats why we got beat, not talent.
The fact is we just didn't match up well with Michigan. We were in the game with Ohio State and had it not been for 4 turnovers by the offense (one a pick six) we had a fair chance of winning that game.
 
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s1uggo72

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The fact is we just didn't match up well with Michigan. We were in the game with Ohio State and had it not been for 4 turnovers by the offense (one a pick six) we had a fair chance of winning that game.
fact is, we were not sound to the TE side. tape does not lie.
 

WestSideLion

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the fact remains, both OSU & UM exploited Manny's D vs run, as Manny's D was not sound vs the run. Thats why we got beat, not talent.
The run D issues stem from developed talent. There aren't enough seasoned, big kids on the interior of the line. The DEs are also super talented, but younger and smaller. It's easier to scheme around the DEs. The DTs are an issue against big, physical teams. No way around that.
 
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s1uggo72

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The run D issues stem from developed talent. There aren't enough seasoned, big kids on the interior of the line. The DEs are also super talented, but younger and smaller. It's easier to scheme around the DEs. The DTs are an issue against big, physical teams. No way around that.
has nothing to do with that. when you line someone up with no chance of success, you can have the second coming of Burce Clark and Matt Millen, backed up by Sean Lee and they couldnt stop it. Watch the tape. at UM the DE is lined up inside the TE, and the DE has contain. You just gave him an impossible job.
 

EPC FAN

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say whatever you want but the tape does not lie. We werent sound defensively on those plays. and thats his job to make sure we are.
I have a perfect solution. Fire Manny and hire YOU. Obviously, you know more about defensive X and Os than he does. In fact, you must know more than his whole defensive staff. None of them saw what you clearly saw, so why not fire them?
 
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s1uggo72

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I have a perfect solution. Fire Manny and hire YOU. Obviously, you know more about defensive X and Os than he does. In fact, you must know more than his whole defensive staff. None of them saw what you clearly saw, so why not fire them?
Watch the tape. The only hope is when they watched the tape they saw the problems, fixed the problems, and don’t let it happen again

otoh seeing how DC in the B1G make around a $1,000,000 per yr I’d be down with that
I don’t know if I can do better. But I do know we’ll be sound on D
For $1, 000, 000 PSU deserves better
 
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troutrus

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I think the defense is playing better overall, but I’m not smart enough to know whether it’s attributed to coaching or better, smarter, more experienced players.
 

JerseyLion

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I'll take an aggressive defense over a bend but don't break defense any time.
 

marshall23

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Watch the tape. The only hope is when they watched the tape they saw the problems, fixed the problems, and don’t let it happen again

otoh seeing how DC in the B1G make around a $1,000,000 per yr I’d be down with that
I don’t know if I can do better. But I do know we’ll be sound on D
For $1, 000, 000 PSU deserves better
Yes because other coaches donate their services
 
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