POLL: Was Manny Diaz an upgrade at DC?

Was Manny Diaz an upgrade at DC?

  • Yes

    Votes: 163 83.2%
  • TBD

    Votes: 33 16.8%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    196

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
has nothing to do with that. when you line someone up with no chance of success, you can have the second coming of Burce Clark and Matt Millen, backed up by Sean Lee and they couldnt stop it. Watch the tape. at UM the DE is lined up inside the TE, and the DE has contain. You just gave him an impossible job.
Couldn't have been a situation where the player lined up wrong.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TheBigUglies

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
Manny has done a very good job with the players he inherited from Franklin's woeful recruiting.
 

BW Lion

Well-known member
Oct 14, 2021
3,103
2,436
113
You know what? F off.
Wut?🤷🏼‍♂️

Aside from a 70% PJ Mustipher, Manny inherited one of the worst interior DLines and LB corps in P5 football…hence the endless string of blitzes.

Manny “I’m sorry, I won’t be back next year” Diaz has done a pretty good job. 👏

He’s actually saved Franklins arse.
 

ManxomeLion

Well-known member
Aug 24, 2017
939
1,381
93
The original question wasn't whether Manny Diaz was responsible for losses to UM and OSU, it was whether he was an improvement over Pry.
If I recall Pry's defenses also had breakdowns against those two teams.
Nothing against Pry, but overall Diaz has seemed to have been a great add. I hope he sticks around for a few seasons as Franklin really could use some stability with his coordinators.
 

Hardslider33

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2021
2,293
3,491
113
Championship or Bust is the absolute worst attitude to have as a college football fan. It's toxic.
Not since they want paid, and now have what equals free agency. You need to reevaluate how you’re viewing the sport. It’s not the love of the game or school.
 

Connorpozlee

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2021
2,267
4,305
113
PSU outrushed OSU in that game.
And the guy that got twice as many yards per carry as the second leading rusher in that game for Penn State got less attempts. That still baffles me. And pisses me off. That game was lost on the offensive side of the ball.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zenophile

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
Wut?🤷🏼‍♂️

Aside from a 70% PJ Mustipher, Manny inherited one of the worst interior DLines and LB corps in P5 football…hence the endless string of blitzes.

Manny “I’m sorry, I won’t be back next year” Diaz has done a pretty good job. 👏

He’s actually saved Franklins arse.
From what? 9 more years!
 

WSTLion87

Well-known member
Oct 10, 2021
747
1,591
93
Manny is a huge upgrade over Brent Pry.

They call it "Manny Ball" for a reason. I've never heard anyone say that defense is playing some serious "Brent Ball."
 

Bwifan

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
1,509
2,744
113
the fact remains, both OSU & UM exploited Manny's D vs run, as Manny's D was not sound vs the run. Thats why we got beat, not talent.

I agree a little bit. Tackling was atrocious against Michigan. Talent was big determining factor for me. I lump size in with talent. PSU needs to get much larger bodies at DT. Recruiting athletes at DE and moving them inside and trying to put some weight on them isn't working. They need beef inside. The scheme against those 2 was not great but I think Manny went with his best overall players. Also this PSU defense keeps getting better they are much better now with schemes then the beginning of the season. Blitzing the the LBs and safeties were running into DL backs now they are finding the gaps.
 

Zenophile

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
1,122
3,519
113
Manny is a huge upgrade over Brent Pry.

They call it "Manny Ball" for a reason. I've never heard anyone say that defense is playing some serious "Brent Ball."
By all accounts Pry is a good dude, and character is important. I don’t want to downplay this point. But I still don’t understand why his PSU defenses got/are still getting a pass from the media despite consistent underperformance. No lead was safe with him at DC.
 

PSUJam

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
10,620
19,063
113
Watch the tape. The only hope is when they watched the tape they saw the problems, fixed the problems, and don’t let it happen again

otoh seeing how DC in the B1G make around a $1,000,000 per yr I’d be down with that
I don’t know if I can do better. But I do know we’ll be sound on D
For $1, 000, 000 PSU deserves better
Tell the story about him hiding under the table again. Maybe that'll help us understand where you're coming from.
 

PSUJam

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
10,620
19,063
113
there is a search function for things like this.
If you take away the Michigan game where they ran 55 times for 418 yards, teams in our other 9 games ran 278 times for 786 yards against Manny's defense. That's 2.82 yards per carry and 87.33 yards per game, both of which would be in the top ten in rushing defense in the country. Michigan kicked our azz but numbers don't lie.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Zenophile

s1uggo72

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
5,539
4,338
113
If you take away the Michigan game where they ran 55 times for 418 yards, teams in our other 9 games ran 278 times for 786 yards against Manny's defense. That's 2.82 yards per carry and 87.33 yards per game, both of which would be in the top ten in rushing defense in the country. Michigan kicked our azz but numbers don't lie.
nice stats. Not my point though.
 

FTLPSU

Well-known member
Oct 6, 2021
905
852
93
I dont think its a good idea for a Coordinator to also be a Position coach. Unless your the OC and QB coach because there is a true symbiotic relationship and the QB runs the offense.

Manny being the DC and Inside Linebackers coach-Do you think he is doing himself any good double duty?
Stacy Collins, Special teams and OLB's this might work but still not ideal...

We need a dedicated LB'er coach. I mentioned this in post game Michigan threads.
 
Last edited:

Bkmtnittany1

Well-known member
Oct 26, 2021
4,484
6,988
113
I dont think its a good idea for a Coordinator to also be a Position coach. Unless your the OC and QB coach because there is a true symbiotic relationship and the QB runs the offense.

Manny being the DC and Inside Linebackers coach-Do you think he is doing himself any good double duty?
Stacy Collins, Special teams and OLB's this might work but still not ideal...

We need a dedicated LB'er coach. I mentioend this in post game Michigan threads.
We need LB’s more!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Wow

PSUSignore

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
882
1,465
93
Manny is a huge upgrade over Brent Pry.

They call it "Manny Ball" for a reason. I've never heard anyone say that defense is playing some serious "Brent Ball."
This means nothing. "They" always referred to "Don Brown defense" and UM immediately got better after he left.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LionJim

TheBigUglies

Well-known member
Oct 26, 2021
1,042
1,635
113
Right, once coached effectively no player has ever subsequently disobeyed instructions or made an unintentional mistake, ever. /s
You just kind of proved my point. The player shouldn't be in the game if they disobey or make mistakes. If they are disobeying or making mistakes then they are not prepared adequately. Also, I believe it was the entire defensive alignment and not just one player in the situation we are talking about. It is what it is.

I don't think we have enough of a sample yet to determine if Manny is an improvement over Pry. I do like his attacking style of defense though and I am excited to see more. Hopefully he learns and improves and we get a solid opponent in the bowl game and he proves me wrong.
 
  • Like
Reactions: s1uggo72

LB99

Well-known member
Oct 27, 2021
6,253
8,225
113
You just kind of proved my point. The player shouldn't be in the game if they disobey or make mistakes. If they are disobeying or making mistakes then they are not prepared adequately. Also, I believe it was the entire defensive alignment and not just one player in the situation we are talking about. It is what it is.

I don't think we have enough of a sample yet to determine if Manny is an improvement over Pry. I do like his attacking style of defense though and I am excited to see more. Hopefully he learns and improves and we get a solid opponent in the bowl game and he proves me wrong.
Ha. You ever hear how LaVar frequently did his own thing? Was that being poorly coached? His NFL coaches couldn’t stand it because he would freelance on his own. In college, he had the athleticism to make up for it. In the NFL it was harder, but still doable in his case for awhile.
 

BobPSU92

Well-known member
Oct 12, 2021
17,252
26,125
113
I dont think its a good idea for a Coordinator to also be a Position coach. Unless your the OC and QB coach because there is a true symbiotic relationship and the QB runs the offense.

Manny being the DC and Inside Linebackers coach-Do you think he is doing himself any good double duty?
Stacy Collins, Special teams and OLB's this might work but still not ideal...

We need a dedicated LB'er coach. I mentioned this in post game Michigan threads.

What is Ron Vanderlinden doing these days?

o_O
 
  • Like
Reactions: FTLPSU and PSU87

PSUSignore

Well-known member
Oct 25, 2021
882
1,465
93
You just kind of proved my point. The player shouldn't be in the game if they disobey or make mistakes. If they are disobeying or making mistakes then they are not prepared adequately. Also, I believe it was the entire defensive alignment and not just one player in the situation we are talking about. It is what it is.
Well sure, if you have an infinite roster size you can keep swapping out players until you get to this magical one that never once does anything wrong. Do you also think that the Martingale system is a foolproof betting strategy at the tables in Vegas? You're living in the unicorn zone.
 

TheBigUglies

Well-known member
Oct 26, 2021
1,042
1,635
113
Well sure, if you have an infinite roster size you can keep swapping out players until you get to this magical one that never once does anything wrong. Do you also think that the Martingale system is a foolproof betting strategy at the tables in Vegas? You're living in the unicorn zone.
I give up because you obviously don't know what it takes to be successful in this game.

As much as you like to hate him because he wins, however he wins.:
 

marshall23

Well-known member
Oct 7, 2021
2,912
4,162
113
If the player lined up wrong at this level, isn't that a reflection of the player not be prepared by the coaching staff?
No. There any number of reasons that players make mistakes. They are first of all human. If a student doesn't answer every question on a test correctly should we fire the teacher? Obviously, if there is widespread issues it's a different story. I once lost a championship game because a player stunted into the wrong gap. We employed what was known as a 6-5 goal line defense and planned to use it on short yardage. My right safety had stunted successfully as schemed on 3 previous occasions and we had denied our opponents a first down each of the 3 times. On the 4th time we called it, the safety took one gap inside and the play went thru his assigned gap for a touchdown. Players aren't computer components....did he simply draw a blank.....did he think he could penetrate easier between the guard and tackle....who the hell knows. You share the tape and hope that everyone learns. I'm sure every game at every level has dozens of such player errors. Some are not noticed. Others can lead to a painful result. Every coach works to minimize mental errors.
In the case in question, it could have been as simple as getting the defensive call confused. Why do players false start?
Everything isn't an indictment of coaching.
 
Last edited:
Get unlimited access today.

Pick the right plan for you.

Already a member? Login