Proof that Shane is a Complete Coach

[Cocky Hobbit]

Everyone thought Loggains was going to fail here. People felt Coach Beamer and Ray Tanner went cheap instead of going big.

Once again Shane saw things in Dowell that the rest of us missed.

His play calling has been excellent and the television commentators are pointing that out.

He’s been a big help in getting the offensive line on track.

This was a brilliant hire.

Meanwhile, Dabo’s proving that left to his own devices he’s a horrible coach. The cheerleader is being exposed.

Shane Beamer is exactly what South Carolina needed.

 

[keydet#]

I disagree - the desire to call running play after running play when we were in a points race with MS was almost detrimental to our win - thankfully, the refs called that fumble on the MS QB. Although, they missed that obvious P.I. penalty in the end zone.

 

[Sardis-Flash]

And the two point play attempt is still stupid ....

 

[Uscg1984]

I'm happy with the Beamer hire so far, but the OP seems like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to last night's win. It was a win and any SEC win is a good win, but it was far from a perfectly called offensive game.

 

[Viennacock]

I'm happy with the Beamer hire so far, but the OP seems like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to last night's win. It was a win and any SEC win is a good win, but it was far from a perfectly called offensive game.

Agreed. Too early to make a call. As I'm reminded at my place of employment, one or two data points does not make a trend.

 

[HuntinAces]

And the two point play attempt is still stupid ....

While that was my initial thought, as Shane said they got the look and the guy was wide open. Didn’t even need perfect execution.
Im excited to have coaches that see weaknesses and are willing to exploit them.

 

[HuntinAces]

I disagree - the desire to call running play after running play when we were in a points race with MS was almost detrimental to our win - thankfully, the refs called that fumble on the MS QB. Although, they missed that obvious P.I. penalty in the end zone.

Terrible non call especially considering where the game was at at the time. Pretty sure that was Rattlers 1st incompletion of the night and it was a PERFECT throw.

 

[Prestonyte]

I'm happy with the Beamer hire so far, but the OP seems like a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to last night's win. It was a win and any SEC win is a good win, but it was far from a perfectly called offensive game.

The willingness to try something different instead of the same ole same we suffered through last year is a big positive.
Noticed a new wrinkle in the running game last night as we used the slot in motion as an extra blocker in the run game and it was an effective move.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

I don‘t know if Beamer or Loggains will work, but in year 3 we shouldn’t have lost to UNC, and we should have beaten an outmanned MSU last night with room to spare. We lost some real talent from last year’s team to the portal. Maybe those guys were a cancer; I don’t know. But it seems the Lloyd departure caught Beamer by surprise. We seemed flat footed to replace all of them. So far, the replacements are not as good.

Last night’s pass D reminded me of Old Carolina. Not sure what happened, but if we can’t run the ball or defend the pass, we won’t go bowling this year, which cannot possibly help recruiting. Say what you will, but Dabo has complete control over his program. Beamer appears to be trying to emulate it. We’ll see if he has the nads to do what needs to be done.

 

[Tngamecock]

And the two point play attempt is still stupid ....

yes, and no....this day and time, the coaches playing analytics and going for 4th down deep in their own territory is stupid. Catching a team off guard to gain a point that may end up winning the game is not a bad idea. Of course the reverse can be said as well. Shane explained it, I was good with it. It just can't be a habit. The play was wide butt open.....terrible pass

 

[Deleted11512]

While that was my initial thought, as Shane said they got the look and the guy was wide open. Didn’t even need perfect execution.
Im excited to have coaches that see weaknesses and are willing to exploit them.

Agree. That wasn’t coaching. That was execution.

 

[The Reel Ess]

And the two point play attempt is still stupid ....

I think Shane realizes that was not his finest moment.

 

[Gamecock9395]

Shane has been groomed by HOF coaches, you are a product of your environment...the Law of Atrraction. Once he has the right mix of position coaches who are strong in player development and recruiting, SC will thrive in the SEC East. Shane is a monster on the recruiting trail, we need to be as strong on the player development side. We have no depth except in a few areas (QBs, WRs, TEs) and there nothing he can do to change that until the portal opens again and we have room to bring in help.

I looked at the roster and surprisedly there are quite a few older guys on the team that I never see on the field, they need to step up. On the bright side, while projections are fool-hardy, Sellers junior year should be special, I mean like Heisman-level special. The Sophomores and Freshmen now playing (especially on defense) will be juniors and seniors and the Great Wall of Carolina will in place.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

Shane has been groomed by HOF coaches, you are a product of your environment...the Law of Atrraction. Once he has the right mix of position coaches who are strong in player development and recruiting, SC will thrive in the SEC East. Shane is a monster on the recruiting trail, we need to be as strong on the player development side. We have no depth except in a few areas (QBs, WRs, TEs) and there nothing he can do to change that until the portal opens again and we have room to bring in help.

I looked at the roster and surprisedly there are quite a few older guys on the team that I never see on the field, they need to step up. On the bright side, while projections are fool-hardy, Sellers junior year should be special, I mean like Heisman-level special. The Sophomores and Freshmen now playing (especially on defense) will be juniors and seniors and the Great Wall of Carolina will in place.

Monster?

 

[Gamecock9395]

Monster?

Inbound is best OL in SC history, Harbor, Tree, Stewart and hopefully Griffin who is leaning SC. We are beating college football "royalty" to land these guys. Monster, relentless. The SEC Network guys say he is the most active coach on the recruiting trail.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

I must be missing something. We are 2-2, and a 10 point underdog for our next game, but on this thread I'm reading Complete Coach, Brillant Hire, Monster Recruiter.
Something is just not adding up.

 

[USC GAL]

I don‘t know if Beamer or Loggains will work, but in year 3 we shouldn’t have lost to UNC, and we should have beaten an outmanned MSU last night with room to spare. We lost some real talent from last year’s team to the portal. Maybe those guys were a cancer; I don’t know. But it seems the Lloyd departure caught Beamer by surprise. We seemed flat footed to replace all of them. So far, the replacements are not as good.

Last night’s pass D reminded me of Old Carolina. Not sure what happened, but if we can’t run the ball or defend the pass, we won’t go bowling this year, which cannot possibly help recruiting. Say what you will, but Dabo has complete control over his program. Beamer appears to be trying to emulate it. We’ll see if he has the nads to do what needs to be done.

Bye

 

[USC GAL]

I must be missing something. We are 2-2, and a 10 point underdog for our next game, but on this thread I'm reading Complete Coach, Brillant Hire, Monster Recruiter.
Something is just not adding up.

Bye

 

[Guy in the Back]

I think Shane realizes that was not his finest moment.

I didn’t, and still don’t, understand why you go for two there. That said, it was not a bad play all because he was wide open. If that ball is thrown with two degrees less trajectory, he catches it without a problem. That was an execution problem, not a bad play call.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

Bye

Sorry to see you go.

 

[Cocky99]

First off, Ray Tanner’s latest football hire was a hail-mary. There was no rhyme or reason. He admittedly hired on cheap to make make up for HIS contractual mismanagement w/ Muschamp. Firing Muschamp and hiring Beamer was something that he had to do to silence the FIRE TANNER chatter. In the meantime Ray knows that all he has to do is make sure things are hyped up during the of season so all eyes are off him at least half the time. Tanner is what we in the military call a ROD. retired on duty. They can be toxic and Tanner is to the football program IMO.
Tanner should have been fired along with Will Muschamp. That hire was inexcusable and anyone who was part of that decision should be replaced. the State Gov. tried to replace our BOT, but it didn’t go through. Dumbest decision I ever seen in my 40 years of following the program. So F Tanner.

But on to Beamer. We all like Beamer and are being optimistic and hoping that he succeeds.

 

[Mic4usc]

I think Loggains has done well so far. I mean compared to Satterfield, it looks like a different game. Time will tell how good he is, but we haven’t lost a game bc of him and the team isn’t suffering bc of him. That’s progress.

 

[Whiterockcock69]

I must be missing something. We are 2-2, and a 10 point underdog for our next game, but on this thread I'm reading Complete Coach, Brillant Hire, Monster Recruiter.
Something is just not adding up.

I don’t think I see the inconsistency in those thoughts with our current results. Time will tell.

 

[Cocky Jeff]

I disagree - the desire to call running play after running play when we were in a points race with MS was almost detrimental to our win - thankfully, the refs called that fumble on the MS QB. Although, they missed that obvious P.I. penalty in the end zone.

We stuck to the run and shortened the game somewhat. Not totally but it was another way to slow the MSU offense.

 

[Jonesz2]

Everyone thought Loggains was going to fail here. People felt Coach Beamer and Ray Tanner went cheap instead of going big.

Once again Shane saw things in Dowell that the rest of us missed.

His play calling has been excellent and the television commentators are pointing that out.

He’s been a big help in getting the offensive line on track.

This was a brilliant hire.

Meanwhile, Dabo’s proving that left to his own devices he’s a horrible coach. The cheerleader is being exposed.

Shane Beamer is exactly what South Carolina needed.

You only as good as your record. Let’s let the season play out

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

Bye

 

[Deleted11512]

Agreed. Too early to make a call. As I'm reminded at my place of employment, one or two data points does not make a trend.

Agree here. I think there are reasons to be optimistic, but also reasons for concern. Like, how is it possible that they could go through the spring, summer, and fall and not see that Mario was RB1?? Or even RB2?? How in the world did they think Fugar and Hughes were starting SEC OL worthy?? He took waaay to long to see that Satt was a worthless failure. And how we see shades of Whammy creeping in with White. MSU had 202 yards on 4 plays. How does your D give up that many YUGE explosives in one game?? Hoping that some of this is just inexperience, and he learns a little urgency very quickly.

 

[Deleted11512]

I think Shane realizes that was not his finest moment.

I don't think so. A coach is going to look at that play as a good idea. It was there, and it was wide open. KK just continues a very disappointing year so far. That was a terribly thrown ball from a guy who has proven to be a very effective passing punter.

 

[gamecock stock]

You only as good as your record. Let’s let the season play out

Agree. We are 53rd in Total Offense, which is decent, but nothing to brag about. That's certainly better than we did under Satterfield (BTW, Nebraska is 89th in Total Offense). As you said, let the season play out.

 

[Deleted11512]

You only as good as your record. Let’s let the season play out

But Kirby says we shouldn’t be outcome oriented. You just focus on winning individual moments.

 

[uscfan1981]

I must be missing something. We are 2-2, and a 10 point underdog for our next game, but on this thread I'm reading Complete Coach, Brillant Hire, Monster Recruiter.
Something is just not adding up.

It does unless you are intentionally being a troll. Shane took over a 2 win team. We are 17-13 since he took over. The best coach in our history was 19-11 and he took over a 6 win team.

We lost to #1 Georgia on the road and #15 UNC at a neutral site. As those teams are a combined 8-0 no one else has figured out how to beat them.

TN is #21 and Neyland at night is one of the toughest places to play in college football. Around 100-110 teams would be 10 or more dogs to TN right now.

year 3 is often a dip year for coaches as the team is composed of bad classes from the previous hot seat/fired coach and the first 2 of the new coach (new staff and contacts etc.)

We are winning at nearly the best rate in our history after taking over a 2 win team. We are playing the toughest schedule in football. We are recruiting at the highest level in history at a time when our major recruiting competition has won 4 recent national championships.

Beamer might not work but as of right now we have very little to complain about.

 

[Lurker123]

It does unless you are intentionally being a troll. Shane took over a 2 win team. We are 17-13 since he took over. The best coach in our history was 19-11 and he took over a 6 win team.

We lost to #1 Georgia on the road and #15 UNC at a neutral site. As those teams are a combined 8-0 no one else has figured out how to beat them.

TN is #21 and Neyland at night is one of the toughest places to play in college football. Around 100-110 teams would be 10 or more dogs to TN right now.

year 3 is often a dip year for coaches as the team is composed of bad classes from the previous hot seat/fired coach and the first 2 of the new coach (new staff and contacts etc.)

We are winning at nearly the best rate in our history after taking over a 2 win team. We are playing the toughest schedule in football. We are recruiting at the highest level in history at a time when our major recruiting competition has won 4 recent national championships.

Beamer might not work but as of right now we have very little to complain about.

As with every time the two win season is mentioned, it should benpointed out that was a shortened season, conference only schedule.

 

[will110]

And the two point play attempt is still stupid ....

The play should have worked. Kroeger just made a really bad throw.

 

[Deleted11512]

As with every time the two win season is mentioned, it should benpointed out that was a shortened season, conference only schedule.

It wouldn't have made much difference. OM and AU were added. Lost to OM and beat AU. So on the remaining SEC schedule we would have played anyway we would have been 1-7. We were supposed to play Coastal, ECU, Wofford, and Clemp OOC. We would have went 2-2. Coastal was really good that year. So we would have likely been a 3 win team. Not much difference, as one of them would have been against an FCS team. Overall would have felt worse, as we would have only had 1 P5 win vs the 2 we ended up with.

 

[Lurker123]

It wouldn't have made much difference. OM and AU were added. Lost to OM and beat AU. So on the remaining SEC schedule we would have played anyway we would have been 1-7. We were supposed to play Coastal, ECU, Wofford, and Clemp OOC. We would have went 2-2. Coastal was really good that year. So we would have likely been a 3 win team. Not much difference, as one of them would have been against an FCS team. Overall would have felt worse, as we would have only had 1 P5 win vs the 2 we ended up with.

I could also say that the three patsies would have been wins. Coastal was good, for coastal.

Taking over a 4 win team might be same exact cluster as taking over that 2 win team, but people need to be reminded that it wasn't apples to apples.

 

[Rogue Cock]

First off, Ray Tanner’s latest football hire was a hail-mary. There was no rhyme or reason. He admittedly hired on cheap to make make up for HIS contractual mismanagement w/ Muschamp. Firing Muschamp and hiring Beamer was something that he had to do to silence the FIRE TANNER chatter. In the meantime Ray knows that all he has to do is make sure things are hyped up during the of season so all eyes are off him at least half the time. Tanner is what we in the military call a ROD. retired on duty. They can be toxic and Tanner is to the football program IMO.
Tanner should have been fired along with Will Muschamp. That hire was inexcusable and anyone who was part of that decision should be replaced. the State Gov. tried to replace our BOT, but it didn’t go through. Dumbest decision I ever seen in my 40 years of following the program. So F Tanner.

But on to Beamer. We all like Beamer and are being optimistic and hoping that he succeeds.

 

[Deleted11512]

I could also say that the three patsies would have been wins. Coastal was good, for coastal.

Taking over a 4 win team might be same exact cluster as taking over that 2 win team, but people need to be reminded that it wasn't apples to apples.

Coastal would have taken that 2020 team to the woodshed. I can't imagine would that O would have done to our defense. But regardless, I wouldn't feel any better about adding a couple of non P5 wins to the record. We flat out sucked...13th out of 14 in the league. We gave up less than 31 points twice on the year...AU and Mizzu. We gave up 40+ 6 times.

 

[Harvard Gamecock]

It does unless you are intentionally being a troll. Shane took over a 2 win team. We are 17-13 since he took over. The best coach in our history was 19-11 and he took over a 6 win team.

We lost to #1 Georgia on the road and #15 UNC at a neutral site. As those teams are a combined 8-0 no one else has figured out how to beat them.

TN is #21 and Neyland at night is one of the toughest places to play in college football. Around 100-110 teams would be 10 or more dogs to TN right now.

year 3 is often a dip year for coaches as the team is composed of bad classes from the previous hot seat/fired coach and the first 2 of the new coach (new staff and contacts etc.)

We are winning at nearly the best rate in our history after taking over a 2 win team. We are playing the toughest schedule in football. We are recruiting at the highest level in history at a time when our major recruiting competition has won 4 recent national championships.

Beamer might not work but as of right now we have very little to complain about.

All of this is well and good, but my point is that as of today 9/25/23, there is not enough evidence to support "Brilliant Hire", or "Complete Coach".
Close to the mark but not quite there would be "Monster Recruiter".

 

[GCJerryUSC]

First off, Ray Tanner’s latest football hire was a hail-mary. There was no rhyme or reason. He admittedly hired on cheap to make make up for HIS contractual mismanagement w/ Muschamp. Firing Muschamp and hiring Beamer was something that he had to do to silence the FIRE TANNER chatter. In the meantime Ray knows that all he has to do is make sure things are hyped up during the of season so all eyes are off him at least half the time. Tanner is what we in the military call a ROD. retired on duty. They can be toxic and Tanner is to the football program IMO.
Tanner should have been fired along with Will Muschamp. That hire was inexcusable and anyone who was part of that decision should be replaced. the State Gov. tried to replace our BOT, but it didn’t go through. Dumbest decision I ever seen in my 40 years of following the program. So F Tanner.

But on to Beamer. We all like Beamer and are being optimistic and hoping that he succeeds.

HITH Tanner thought someone who couldn't win at Fla could win at USC is beyond me. I agree that Tanner and Mushhead should have been shown the door together. He has now done a maybe very poor job in his MBB hire when he had a great candidate on site. He did the same with Mushhead when he could have hired Lincoln or Mack.

 

[will110]

As with every time the two win season is mentioned, it should benpointed out that was a shortened season, conference only schedule.

It's not like the season before had been any good...Muschamp should have been fired after '19. The program was clearly on a downward trajectory when Beamer arrived.