PSU Football Inc seems to be imploding and it couldn't happen to a more....
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Don’t torture yourself. Stay away from PSU football including this board.
Unless Franklin has done something personally to you or your family, anyone who loathes a football coach because he doesn't win enough is a really, really small person. I've read enough of your posts to know that you fit that bill perfectly. Good riddance.
Who gives a royal rat’s you know what.
Are you having more fun hating Franklin for this season or we’re you having more fun when he won 11 games and you couldn’t say anything. Discussions can be had on his performance but some of you seem to be rooting for failure rather than for him to turn it back around.deserving head coach.
Stop. If you cannot be a positive for your team, find a new one to cheer for.
Nobody cares what you think. #6 class in the nation....yeah....just awful way to setup for the future. Good call.
A year from now following another disappointing season (5-7), most will be in the portal.
I've written my thoughts before on CJF... Seems like a class act, I want him to succeed in the worst way, but so far me has continued to show me nothing as a football coach. Any hope I had for him disappeared completely during the ILL game
One would hope not. But the last time Penn State had a Top 5 recruiting class, 2018, 12 of the 23 signees were no longer on the roster by 2021.
3 of them were in the NFL, but the other 9, obviously, were not.
The last Top 10 recruiting class, just back in 2019, has already seen - just two years later - departures of 7 of the 22 signees.
Those two classes led Penn State to an 11-11 record (8-10 in the Big Ten conference)
Obviously, Franklin, and Penn State, cannot afford another similar evaporation of a highly-regarded recruiting class - for any reasons - with nothing more to show for it, obviously.
I honestly thought when the board moved over here this kind of stuff was not going to be tolerated. Silly me
We need to keep packing the stadium with our fans. It helps the town and all the businesses. This isn't Pitt. Franklin will be back and better than ever.
Also, don't forget football supports 30 other sports.
Also, don't forget football supports 30 other sports.
What rules did his post violate? Just cause you don't agree with it, we should get rid of it?
Let's just have an All Hail Franklin board. Maybe you should start a positive thread about coach?
Except that Franklin keeps getting new, higher paying contracts with more protection and benefit to him and less for the university. So, he doesn’t have to do anything but show up and not quit.
And that seems to have infiltrated into the players as witnessed by the yearly problems that never seem to get fixed. Poor tackling and poor OL blocking are the two big ones.
Sure they will be and I'm sure that will be the record swammee. You hated him the day he was hired and had to STFU after he took PSU to 3 NYD bowl games in 4 years. I missed you calling for those successes too.....oooops. He isn't perfect, but you shovel a ton of BS with this and I knew back in the day where it was coming from PPB.
Why would you want “government“ to supervise points of view?
B1G Champs 1 yr
Rose Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl
other New Years day bowl Games
How many losing seasons?
B1G East runners up?
How he turned Vandy
Recruiting capability
shows nuttin, eh!
Did you not watch 4th qtr 10+ point leads disappear against USC, OSU TWICE, the IU game last year, ILL this year, inability to get a back-up QB ready to play knowing SC has NEVER not missed a game to injury? If not for a once in a decade blocked FG for a TD he never wins a BIG championship. He is an average coach who somehow gets better than average recruits... which is why he is able to have a good year every 2-3 years. He will never, ever, ever, be confused with coaches who compete for top 4-8 spots at the end of the year. He is the RC Cola of football coaches.
It’s possible, even probable, that Franklin is the kind of guy who can come in to a “down” program like Vandy and/or PSU post-sanctions, bring some energy and enthusiasm and turn things around short term. But the problem is, after a few years, the “rah-rah” wears off and you need a guy that can actually coach. Franklin and PSU are in a downward slide that’s not going to turn around, at least not until there is a change at the top.
Why, he’s entitled to his opinion. However in his case, with everything else happening in the World, if you’re so invested in “college” football that you have the time an energy to loath a coach, you really should seek professional help.
What he did at Vanderbilt was impressive
Getting PSU to a Big Ten championship by 2016, given where he was staring from, was impressive. The hiring of Joe Moorhead, the staff development of Brent Pry, Sean Spencer, and some others looked very good.
No doubt in my mind, obviously.
Where things are now, and the trajectory things are going, not so much.
After following up 2016 with three solid - but somewhat less than fully satisfying - years (remember the "what it takes to get to elite" speech?), and now basically mailing-it-in for two years in a row, has not been impressive (along with the constant excuse-making and alibiing).
Several very weird/disappointing coaching staff moves, including elevating, then firing, Rhane. The hire of Kirk C, and then immediately firing him after a disastrous year. Then bringing in Yurcich, and another disastrous year. Firing Limegrover, and replacing him with Trautwein - who's lines have been an unmitigated disaster. Bringing in Corley from Army to coach running backs - then moving him to WR - then firing him after one year - then Gerald Parker - then firing him after one year - then Taylor Stubblefield.
The shuffling from one inept special teams coach to another - each time remarking about how wonderful they would be - Galiano, Lorig, etc.
The "home run" hire of Seider - who's watch has seen the Penn State running back room turn into a completely impotent - and fundamentally unsound - group, with precious little impact from a plethora of supposedly highly-regarded running backs, or from the supposedly valuable Florida recruiting connections.
Having more kids leave via the portal than any other team in the conference - for a coach who incessantly preaches that "Family", and "It starts with I love you" nonsense - that is not impressive.
And, to add the cherry on the top of the sundae, the constant merry go round of "gimmee-gimmee-gimmee" contract renegotiations and threatened free-agency - instead of devoting his time and energy and focus to the task of coaching his team. A task that he has always been paid very handsomely to accept. That is not impressive.
Obviously.
There are more than a few things to really like about James Franklin from 2010-2017ish - and a few warts during that time, as is always the case
There are more than a few things to really be disconcerted with about James Franklin of the last several years - and a few potential positives, as is always the case. But the scale has definitely tipped in the wrong direction - at least I think that would be a reasonable analysis.
Did PSU ever have such a guy?
How many coaches can we name now in College Football who are such men? The Goat, Nick Saban. The Jury is still out on Kirby Smart and Ryan Day. When they started on third, it did not take much for anyone to get excited about hitting a triple.
Who else is there? Let me know., please so I can tell someone about this person
I am not saying there is a long list of better coaches out there... but just because the list of top coaches is short does not create a vacuum making CJF suddenly better than he really is. He is an above average recruiter but an average coach. Is he as good as it gets for us? Perhaps. The list of coaches I would not prefer to have is long. What drives me nuts is the simple coaching mistakes he makes over and over and over, like time management and icing his own kicker (twice)
Valid. However there was no way to tell this, as he was never anywhere long enough to determine this. Not his fault, that's the way young coaching careers go. Always trying to get to the HC gig.
As to whether there's a downward slide that's not gonna turn around, there's no way to determine this. the last 2 years have had lots of issues for sure, I just believe that there has been a cocophony of bad luck that has happened (COVID, misses on player evaluations, injury, medical retirements of integral players, coaching turnover....etc)
Take away one win from a second level team ( Villanova, which did a pretty darn good job against all of our players with all sorts of stars).
Penn State had a far better Head Coach waiting on their doorstep, asking to be let in, when they decided instead to guarantee Franklin $85 Million.
A number 6 class means nothing if they cant be coached up and with the performance of our running game and our backup QB at Iowa not to mention the OL all year not much coaching up going on
Name the BoT members who even questioned the deal? Did anyone put Barbour under the gun for the contract? Has any journalist covering Penn State football done any digging about the “why” of the contract?
Keep telling yourself that, it means quite a bit. We have seen him win with more talent, but I know the woe is PSU cards are fun to play. OL needs to improve, no doubt about it. Entire offense needs work, but the gameplan at Iowa was killing them prior to Clifford going down. Better starting QB's and teams have lost there too.
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