PSU Football Inc seems to be imploding and it couldn't happen to a more....

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Name the BoT members who even questioned the deal? Did anyone put Barbour under the gun for the contract? Has any journalist covering Penn State football done any digging about the “why” of the contract?
The Board of Trustees was not even given the opportunity to vet the contract (let alone vote to approve it). What does that tell you?
 

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Keep telling yourself that, it means quite a bit. We have seen him win with more talent, but I know the woe is PSU cards are fun to play. OL needs to improve, no doubt about it. Entire offense needs work, but the gameplan at Iowa was killing them prior to Clifford going down. Better starting QB's and teams have lost there too.
They signed the #5 class in 2018, and the #10 class in 2019, for good measure. That got them 11-11 in 2020 and 2021. So?
 

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Name the BoT members who even questioned the deal? Did anyone put Barbour under the gun for the contract? Has any journalist covering Penn State football done any digging about the “why” of the contract?

It screamed desperation noting Franklin has re-negotiated his contract about every two years. It was a terrible move IMO and really limits PSU's options unless he leaves on his own accord. With this kind of guaranteed money, why would you?

Reenactment of the tense Franklin/Barbour contract negotiations...(Franklin is being portrayed by Mona Lisa Sapperstein here….):

 
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One would hope not. But the last time Penn State had a Top 5 recruiting class, 2018, 12 of the 23 signees were no longer on the roster by 2021.
3 of them were in the NFL, but the other 9, obviously, were not.
The last Top 10 recruiting class, just back in 2019, has already seen - just two years later - departures of 7 of the 22 signees.
Those two classes led Penn State to an 11-11 record (8-10 in the Big Ten conference)

Obviously, Franklin, and Penn State, cannot afford another similar evaporation of a highly-regarded recruiting class - for any reasons - with nothing more to show for it, obviously.
Please don’t bring facts here. They are most unwelcome
 

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They signed the #5 class in 2018, and the #10 class in 2019, for good measure. That got them 11-11 in 2020 and 2021. So?

And he has done more with less too. So? If you want to have a pity party, have at it. I know things can and change in one year in college football. Singleton, DDS, and Saunders can make a huge difference. I saw DWill and JK take a team that had a losing record in 4 of 5 years turn it around and win the BT title that year. That is the beauty of college football.
 
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One would hope not. But the last time Penn State had a Top 5 recruiting class, 2018, 12 of the 23 signees were no longer on the roster by 2021.
3 of them were in the NFL, but the other 9, obviously, were not.
The last Top 10 recruiting class, just back in 2019, has already seen - just two years later - departures of 7 of the 22 signees.
Those two classes led Penn State to an 11-11 record (8-10 in the Big Ten conference)

Obviously, Franklin, and Penn State, cannot afford another similar evaporation of a highly-regarded recruiting class - for any reasons - with nothing more to show for it, obviously.
Please don’t bring facts here. They are most unwelcome
 
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One would hope not. But the last time Penn State had a Top 5 recruiting class, 2018, 12 of the 23 signees were no longer on the roster by 2021.
3 of them were in the NFL, but the other 9, obviously, were not.
The last Top 10 recruiting class, just back in 2019, has already seen - just two years later - departures of 7 of the 22 signees.
Those two classes led Penn State to an 11-11 record (8-10 in the Big Ten conference)

Obviously, Franklin, and Penn State, cannot afford another similar evaporation of a highly-regarded recruiting class - for any reasons - with nothing more to show for it, obviously.
Please don’t bring facts here. They are most unwelcome
 

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It’s possible, even probable, that Franklin is the kind of guy who can come in to a “down” program like Vandy and/or PSU post-sanctions, bring some energy and enthusiasm and turn things around short term. But the problem is, after a few years, the “rah-rah” wears off and you need a guy that can actually coach. Franklin and PSU are in a downward slide that’s not going to turn around, at least not until there is a change at the top.
Sadly, I think you are 110% correct.
 
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It screamed desperation noting Franklin has re-negotiated his contract about every two years. It was a terrible move IMO and really limits PSU's options unless he leaves on his own accord. With this kind of guaranteed money, why would you?

Reenactment of the tense Franklin/Barbour contract negotiations...

Two years ago to me the height of stupidity was watching the Rutgers fan base and administration furiously negotiating against themselves in hiring Schiano. No one else wanted him but they slavishly acceded to all his financial demands. I thought can people really be that stupid to negotiate against yourselves? Then Sandy entered into another negotiation with Franklins agent, and the end result makes the Rutgers deal look brilliant. This is Saban money for what recently appears to be Narduzzi results. Hopefully he reverses things. But like the old adage, if it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.
 

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Two years ago to me the height of stupidity was watching the Rutgers fans base and administration furiously negotiating against themselves in hiring Schiano. No one else wanted him but they slavishly acceded to all his financial demands. I thought can people really be that stupid. Then Sandy entered into another negotiation with Franklins agent, and the end result makes the Rutgers deal look brilliant. This is Saban money for what recently appears to be Narduzzi results. Hopefully he reverses things. But like the old adage, if it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

I mean, Franklin/Penn State is one of about 15-20 CFB teams who could win a NC (or even contend for one). No reason to enter into negotiations *now* given the time left on his contract and the poor performance the past couple of years. Penn State had all the leverage and a) didn't know it, or b) believed Franklin was a serious candidate for some other job. Either way, they need new people to do this stuff. Ten years is absolutely bonkers, especially with a buyout that guarantees the full value of the contract (remaining) if/when fired. Just....dumb.
 

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I mean, Franklin/Penn State is one of about 15-20 CFB teams who could win a NC (or even contend for one). No reason to enter into negotiations *now* given the time left on his contract and the poor performance the past couple of years. Penn State had all the leverage and a) didn't know it, or b) believed Franklin was a serious candidate for some other job. Either way, they need new people to do this stuff. Ten years is absolutely bonkers, especially with a buyout that guarantees the full value of the contract (remaining) if/when fired. Just....dumb.
It has, sadly, become "The Penn State Way"
Obviously, the Franklin contract, given the dollars involved and the high-profile nature of the job, is the one that grabs the headlines. Obviously.
But Sandy Barbour herself received a five-year guaranteed deal a while back - at around $9-10 million total, which may have been the most expensive ever for an AD, anywhere in the country, at that time.
Outgoing President Barron got, if I recall correctly, a four-year extension, at a salary that probably placed him among the top 4 or 5 in the country. And neither of them had a single item that could be listed as "Outstanding Performance on the Job" on their resume.
Even the newly hired President, Bendapudi, was signed at somewhere in the area of $1.5 million per year - if that is correct that would place her among the top 5 in the nation, I think - for a resume that would certainly not support that level of compensation. And if that contract is not technically guaranteed (I am not sure about that) it is effectively guaranteed - given the history of how Penn State has been operating ("If you are a highly-compensated, high-level administrator, you can stay as long as you want, be paid as much as you want, regardless of your competency").

It is what it is, obviously.
 

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I mean, Franklin/Penn State is one of about 15-20 CFB teams who could win a NC (or even contend for one). No reason to enter into negotiations *now* given the time left on his contract and the poor performance the past couple of years. Penn State had all the leverage and a) didn't know it, or b) believed Franklin was a serious candidate for some other job. Either way, they need new people to do this stuff. Ten years is absolutely bonkers, especially with a buyout that guarantees the full value of the contract (remaining) if/when fired. Just....dumb.
It was probably the Assistant AD of Contracts involved in the negotiations. I'm sure Sandy couldn't be bothered to be involved in something so trivial.
 

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I am not saying there is a long list of better coaches out there... but just because the list of top coaches is short does not create a vacuum making CJF suddenly better than he really is. He is an above average recruiter but an average coach. Is he as good as it gets for us? Perhaps. The list of coaches I would not prefer to have is long. What drives me nuts is the simple coaching mistakes he makes over and over and over, like time management and icing his own kicker (twice)
What drives you nuts as you stated is what drives me nuts too!!!
 

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Entire offense needs work, but the gameplan at Iowa was killing them prior to Clifford going down
So what happened to the masterful 1H (1st half) game plan vs Iowa in later games? It was a great game plan.

Something has since changed especially after Clifford was allegedly healthy.

I think there’s Franklin vs Yurcich tension much like previous Franklin vs. xxxxxx OC tension
 
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So what happened to the masterful 1H (1st half) game plan vs Iowa in later games? It was a great game plan.

Something has since changed especially after Clifford was allegedly healthy.

I think there’s Franklin vs Yurcich tension much like previous Franklin vs. xxxxxx OC tension
You and @PSUFTG need to start writing scripts for The Bachelor. Rhule can be the prize and you can have all the women drool over him. Of course, that might not be enough drama for you both. I get it.
 
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It has, sadly, become "The Penn State Way"
Obviously, the Franklin contract, given the dollars involved and the high-profile nature of the job, is the one that grabs the headlines. Obviously.
But Sandy Barbour herself received a five-year guaranteed deal a while back - at around $9-10 million total, which may have been the most expensive ever for an AD, anywhere in the country, at that time.
Outgoing President Barron got, if I recall correctly, a four-year extension, at a salary that probably placed him among the top 4 or 5 in the country. And neither of them had a single item that could be listed as "Outstanding Performance on the Job" on their resume.
Even the newly hired President, Bendapudi, was signed at somewhere in the area of $1.5 million per year - if that is correct that would place her among the top 5 in the nation, I think - for a resume that would certainly not support that level of compensation. And if that contract is not technically guaranteed (I am not sure about that) it is effectively guaranteed - given the history of how Penn State has been operating ("If you are a highly-compensated, high-level administrator, you can stay as long as you want, be paid as much as you want, regardless of your competency").

It is what it is, obviously.
Explains a lot.
 

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But 7-6. Am I missing something?

Its called the annual cycle of fandom .... you b*tch and complain all season and then the sub par season finally is over. Time for all fans to move on .... with winter conditioning and spring football, optimism of performance in '22 are renewed. We live and die with our team again in the fall.

I cannot do the 24/7/365 constant, repetitive recitation of the same negativity. If a fan is that unhappy, find another team to cheer for. Seriously ... be an Alabama or tOSU fan. For your own happiness find something else.
 

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Its called the annual cycle of fandom .... you b*tch and complain all season and then the sub par season finally is over. Time for all fans to move on .... with winter conditioning and spring football, optimism of performance in '22 are renewed. We live and die with our team again in the fall.

I cannot do the 24/7/365 constant, repetitive recitation of the same negativity. If a fan is that unhappy, find another team to cheer for. Seriously ... be an Alabama or tOSU fan. For your own happiness find something else.

I don't think anyone was complaining at 5-0, but people are seeing a pattern and are within their right to complain. As you are to ignore them. I think next year's team will not be as good as this year's and our schedule is tougher.
 
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Its called the annual cycle of fandom .... you b*tch and complain all season and then the sub par season finally is over. Time for all fans to move on .... with winter conditioning and spring football, optimism of performance in '22 are renewed. We live and die with our team again in the fall.

I cannot do the 24/7/365 constant, repetitive recitation of the same negativity. If a fan is that unhappy, find another team to cheer for. Seriously ... be an Alabama or tOSU fan. For your own happiness find something else.
I’m not a turncoat ffs. You blindly happy with 7-6, have at it lol
 

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It has, sadly, become "The Penn State Way"
Obviously, the Franklin contract, given the dollars involved and the high-profile nature of the job, is the one that grabs the headlines. Obviously.
But Sandy Barbour herself received a five-year guaranteed deal a while back - at around $9-10 million total, which may have been the most expensive ever for an AD, anywhere in the country, at that time.
Outgoing President Barron got, if I recall correctly, a four-year extension, at a salary that probably placed him among the top 4 or 5 in the country. And neither of them had a single item that could be listed as "Outstanding Performance on the Job" on their resume.
Even the newly hired President, Bendapudi, was signed at somewhere in the area of $1.5 million per year - if that is correct that would place her among the top 5 in the nation, I think - for a resume that would certainly not support that level of compensation. And if that contract is not technically guaranteed (I am not sure about that) it is effectively guaranteed - given the history of how Penn State has been operating ("If you are a highly-compensated, high-level administrator, you can stay as long as you want, be paid as much as you want, regardless of your competency").

It is what it is, obviously.
 

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It has, sadly, become "The Penn State Way"
Obviously, the Franklin contract, given the dollars involved and the high-profile nature of the job, is the one that grabs the headlines. Obviously.
But Sandy Barbour herself received a five-year guaranteed deal a while back - at around $9-10 million total, which may have been the most expensive ever for an AD, anywhere in the country, at that time.
Outgoing President Barron got, if I recall correctly, a four-year extension, at a salary that probably placed him among the top 4 or 5 in the country. And neither of them had a single item that could be listed as "Outstanding Performance on the Job" on their resume.
Even the newly hired President, Bendapudi, was signed at somewhere in the area of $1.5 million per year - if that is correct that would place her among the top 5 in the nation, I think - for a resume that would certainly not support that level of compensation. And if that contract is not technically guaranteed (I am not sure about that) it is effectively guaranteed - given the history of how Penn State has been operating ("If you are a highly-compensated, high-level administrator, you can stay as long as you want, be paid as much as you want, regardless of your competency").

It is what it is, obviously.
You keep saying there was someone on the door step , but refuse to acknowledge who . Why ?
 
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