Question, why do our fans who

[greenbean.sixpack]

**** all over our program, talk about how terrible we are, are negative most of the time, post the no one wants to come where, etc., still remain fans? Why not become fans of another program? I'd bet anything that someone in Jackson Arnold's camp (friend or family member) is reading this board. What do you think they tell him? Hell our fans are driving me from the program. I just don't understand the mindset, why hate something you should love? Why trash something you should build up. If you are disgusted with the program, why not just turn off? I understand it and was that way in the Croom Error, but I didn't trash the program constantly. Just take a break for a while, you're hurting the program, friends/family of potential recruits read this board. And don't respond with, "every fan base does it," because they don't. I have about as many OM friends/family as State. Even when they were down, I rarely heard them trash the program, their response was, "at least we won the party," or "we were busy redshirting Ms Americas." I'm betting that the most negative fans don't actually go to games or give.

 

[LimaoCabeca]

The first step is recognizing that you have a problem…

 

[ababyatemydingo]

this board was founded in 2003 on having the right to freely criticize the program, without the threat of getting banned held over your head. if you don't like the content here, 247 may be more your speed

 

[Other Kind]

Some folks are born into it greenbean. There is no escaping it.

 

[Shmuley]

**** all over our program, talk about how terrible we are, are negative most of the time, post the no one wants to come where, etc., still remain fans? Why not become fans of another program? I'd bet anything that someone in Jackson Arnold's camp (friend or family member) is reading this board. What do you think they tell him? Hell our fans are driving me from the program. I just don't understand the mindset, why hate something you should love? Why trash something you should build up. If you are disgusted with the program, why not just turn off? I understand it and was that way in the Croom Error, but I didn't trash the program constantly. Just take a break for a while, you're hurting the program, friends/family of potential recruits read this board. And don't respond with, "every fan base does it," because they don't. I have about as many OM friends/family as State. Even when they were down, I rarely heard them trash the program, their response was, "at least we won the party," or "we were busy redshirting Ms Americas." I'm betting that the most negative fans don't actually go to games or give.

Tl;dr

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

this board was founded in 2003 on having the right to freely criticize the program, without the threat of getting banned held over your head. if you don't like the content here, 247 may be more your speed

I'm just trying to get into the psychology of our fanbase. I'm not a sunshine pumper, but not a hater either.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Some folks are born into it greenbean. There is no escaping it.

I was too, my dad is an alum, me and the ol' lady are, our kids go there. But why trash it with such vengeance?

On another most when someone state that we are such an undesirable program we'd have to pay a 20% surcharge to get a player to come here.

This is an actual post from a "fan:"

Most players would pick the barn if we were offering 1.2m and AU was offering 1m. It's just like coaches, we have to pay a premium to get people to come here.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

The simplest answer it’s Sixpack. It’s been that way from the beginning

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

I'm trying to be as positive as I can. I'm more negative because college football is negative right now. It's not the game I grew up with. I watched Dak play in person every game he played at home here in Starkville. I used to work for MSU and was on campus yesterday. I feel at home when I'm on campus. MSU is part of me and it pisses me off to see our team win 2 games this year. I actually like Coach Lebby and believe he can be a great coach. I still support the team, but it seems the players wearing maroon and white don't support the team because they leave after one year.

 

[aTotal360]

I was too, my dad is an alum, me and the ol' lady are, our kids go there. But why trash it with such vengeance?

On another most when someone state that we are such an undesirable program we'd have to pay a 20% surcharge to get a player to come here.

This is an actual post from a "fan:"

Most players would pick the barn if we were offering 1.2m and AU was offering 1m. It's just like coaches, we have to pay a premium to get people to come here.

Still waiting for you to get less emotional and tell me why you think MSU would get talent at a discounted price.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You’re the worst one. You constantly shlt on both the state of MS and MSU.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

You’re the worst one. You constantly shlt on both the state of MS and MSU.

I do?

Also I like they way you posted "shlt."

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Still waiting for you to get less emotional and tell me why you think MSU would get talent at a discounted price.

I never inferred that, you posted we'd have to have pay a "premium" to get a player. If the barn offered $1mil, we'd have to offer $1.2mil to get the player, which is idiocy. in fact you stated the player would still pick the barn if we paid $200k more than them. Maybe I'm not smelling what you're selling or you not expressing your thoughts correctly?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I'm positive we suck

 

[HotMop]

**** all over our program, talk about how terrible we are, are negative most of the time, post the no one wants to come where, etc., still remain fans? Why not become fans of another program? I'd bet anything that someone in Jackson Arnold's camp (friend or family member) is reading this board. What do you think they tell him? Hell our fans are driving me from the program. I just don't understand the mindset, why hate something you should love? Why trash something you should build up. If you are disgusted with the program, why not just turn off? I understand it and was that way in the Croom Error, but I didn't trash the program constantly. Just take a break for a while, you're hurting the program, friends/family of potential recruits read this board. And don't respond with, "every fan base does it," because they don't. I have about as many OM friends/family as State. Even when they were down, I rarely heard them trash the program, their response was, "at least we won the party," or "we were busy redshirting Ms Americas." I'm betting that the most negative fans don't actually go to games or give.

Go back to Jean's Page.

 

[BreckyBratt]

Tl;dr

 

[aTotal360]

I never inferred that, you posted we'd have to have pay a "premium" to get a player. If the barn offered $1mil, we'd have to offer $1.2mil to get the player, which is idiocy. in fact you stated the player would still pick the barn if we paid $200k more than them. Maybe I'm not smelling what you're selling or you not expressing your thoughts correctly?

Time and time again, the reporters on the premium boards report the same thing. Another school offers similar money and the player takes it. We have unproven coaches. We aren't winning many games. And our gameday experience is subpar. We have the steepest of uphill battles and our administration is failing to instill confidence into the fanbase. They have supposedly been given piles of money. Where is it? What's it being spent on?

I love Starkville. I lived there for the majority of my life. But you have to be willing to accept that it isn't a 19-year-old's dream come true. It's a retirement community with a university stuck to it. It's arguably the hardest SEC town to recruit to.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

Time and time again, the reporters on the premium boards report the same thing. Another school offers similar money and the player takes it. We have unproven coaches. We aren't winning many games. And our gameday experience is subpar. We have the steepest of uphill battles and our administration is failing to instill confidence into the fanbase. They have supposedly been given piles of money. Where is it? What's it being spent on?

I love Starkville. I lived there for the majority of my life. But you have to be willing to accept that it isn't a 19-year-old's dream come true. It's a retirement community with a university stuck to it. It's arguably the hardest SEC town to recruit to.

Ok then, I don't pay for any premium content and haven't read that we're having to pay more, 20% more is what you suggested. If we're offering the same money and a player picks another school, I have no issue believing that, but that's not what you posted.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Time and time again, the reporters on the premium boards report the same thing. Another school offers similar money and the player takes it. We have unproven coaches. We aren't winning many games. And our gameday experience is subpar. We have the steepest of uphill battles and our administration is failing to instill confidence into the fanbase. They have supposedly been given piles of money. Where is it? What's it being spent on?

I love Starkville. I lived there for the majority of my life. But you have to be willing to accept that it isn't a 19-year-old's dream come true. It's a retirement community with a university stuck to it. It's arguably the hardest SEC town to recruit to.

There is no argument needed. It IS the hardest SEC town to recruit to.

16 Starkville
15 Oxford
14 Lexington
13 Fayetteville
12 Columbia, Mo.
11 West End (Nashville is not a Vandy town.) It is a UT town. So Vandy has to recruit to West End.

 

[aTotal360]

Ok then, I don't pay for any premium content and haven't read that we're having to pay more, 20% more is what you suggested. If we're offering the same money and a player picks another school, I have no issue believing that, but that's not what you posted.

That’s my point. We have to pay a premium to get talent. There isn’t a magic chart that dictates what that number needs to be.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Like was stated earlier. This board was created by a bunch of women so they would have a safe place to piss and moan about all things Miss State. I mean hell, things like white helmets, never wearing gray pants, no led lights. It's a continuous bitchfest. I try to add a little positivity here and there but tbh the last 2 years are starting to wear on me too. I need this QB guru to get to doing some guruing before I turn into another Eeyore

 

[RopeDawg]

I was too, my dad is an alum, me and the ol' lady are, our kids go there. But why trash it with such vengeance?

On another most when someone state that we are such an undesirable program we'd have to pay a 20% surcharge to get a player to come here.

This is an actual post from a "fan:"

Most players would pick the barn if we were offering 1.2m and AU was offering 1m. It's just like coaches, we have to pay a premium to get people to come here.

But that fan is right. It’s not hating it’s reality. And the reality upsets people.

 

[RopeDawg]

I never inferred that, you posted we'd have to have pay a "premium" to get a player. If the barn offered $1mil, we'd have to offer $1.2mil to get the player, which is idiocy. in fact you stated the player would still pick the barn if we paid $200k more than them. Maybe I'm not smelling what you're selling or you not expressing your thoughts correctly?

It’s true though. How do you not comprehend this?

 

[paindonthurt17]

this board was founded in 2003 on having the right to freely criticize the program, without the threat of getting banned held over your head. if you don't like the content here, 247 may be more your speed

Doesn't make them any less of a miserable 17ing douchebag.

 

[BirdPuppy]

No way I’m playing for Hugh Freeze’s godless and degenerate barn for 20% less.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

That’s my point. We have to pay a premium to get talent. There isn’t a magic chart that dictates what that number needs to be.

You're the one who came up with the 20% figure. Which i still don't think is true. These kids (the ones we are pursing - mid tier - likely not NFL talent) are looking for 1. Money, 2. Playing time. The barn offers $1mil, we offer $20k more, they are coming here. To us $20k may not be a huge amount of money and may not effect our job decisions, but this these kids, mostly poor raised by single parents, $20k is a great deal of money. If Rosebowl is your "premium" content guy, I'd believe the opposite, he's wrong more often than not.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

There is no argument needed. It IS the hardest SEC town to recruit to.

16 Starkville
15 Oxford
14 Lexington
13 Fayetteville
12 Columbia, Mo.
11 West End (Nashville is not a Vandy town.) It is a UT town. So Vandy has to recruit to West End.

Everyone understands this, but it's still a good town, we're not trying to recruit to Kabul, Afghanistan. Especially where many of these kids grew up, Starkville is a upgrade. Starkville is a top 10-15 town in the 'Sip.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Doesn't make them any less of a miserable 17ing douchebag.

Something many of you don’t seem to get, is when fans (like me) supported MSU sports for decades, and then suddenly get labeled as “the new problem”, I’m 17ing out.

I learned years ago the most powerful vote you have in this country is the dollars you spend. Once you have marginalized me as “the problem” you’ll never get another dime.

Most of us here already agree this current iteration of CFB is foolishly unsustainable. So why support a dying model with dollars to institutions who receive hundreds of millions in TV revenue, and then shamelessly panhandle to it’s fans to supply pro-level salaries to unproven kids with no contracts, and then demonize them for asking questions and wanting transparency?

This isn’t a popular sentiment, but I’m out on CFB right now. Everytime someone says people like me are the problem, congrats. I grit my teeth and dig my heels even more. Enjoy throwing your money onto this chasm for the courts and these asssclowns to deliver you a 2-10 season. You’re buying stock that’s headed straight to OTC.

 

[Thebulldogcountry1]

I don’t see how anyone can say that our fans are driving them away from the program. Have you observed what MSU leadership has done to the program in the last decade? We had TWO alumni ADs not only leave us, but also hurt the school by stealing coaches and staff. Nothing positive has happened with the football program since Leach died. Its just been bad decisions and no decisions. There have been some large donations, but what is being done with it, besides paying JUCOs to come play in the SEC? Nothing is being done by MSU leadership to inject any confidence or excitement into the football program. We are coming off the worst season in 20+ years, and nothing has changed to improve on that.


I see zero evidence that money is being spent wisely or with any sort of vision for future success. There’s some major problems with how the program is being run. Don’t blame the fans. We are expected to fund this whole fiasco without any leadership accountability. We have every right to complain.

 

[aTotal360]

You're the one who came up with the 20% figure. Which i still don't think is true. These kids (the ones we are pursing - mid tier - likely not NFL talent) are looking for 1. Money, 2. Playing time. The barn offers $1mil, we offer $20k more, they are coming here. To us $20k may not be a huge amount of money and may not effect our job decisions, but this these kids, mostly poor raised by single parents, $20k is a great deal of money. If Rosebowl is your "premium" content guy, I'd believe the opposite, he's wrong more often than not.

The kids are looking for everything. It's not just PT and money. It's the whole picture. Sure, some may just want money. But most of them are looking at facilities, playing time, the gameday experience, cash, coaching, tradition, prestige, free housing, housing for their parents, a car, paid travel expenses, and ties to the NFL.

Anyone will tell you, our "NIL package" isn't as strong as it needs to be. If it was, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And no, I don't sub to Rosey.

 

[GloryDawg]

I am usually not a hater but when we suck and no one in the Athletic Department or coaching staff don't try to fix the problem then I become a hater.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Something many of you don’t seem to get, is when fans (like me) supported MSU sports for decades, and then suddenly get labeled as “the new problem”, I’m 17ing out.

I learned years ago the most powerful vote you have in this country is the dollars you spend. Once you have marginalized me as “the problem” you’ll never get another dime.

Most of us here already agree this current iteration of CFB is foolishly unsustainable. So why support a dying model with dollars to institutions who receive hundreds of millions in TV revenue, and then shamelessly panhandle to it’s fans to supply pro-level salaries to unproven kids with no contracts, and then demonize them for asking questions and wanting transparency?

This isn’t a popular sentiment, but I’m out on CFB right now. Everytime someone says people like me are the problem, congrats. I grit my teeth and dig my heels even more. Enjoy throwing your money onto this chasm for the courts and these asssclowns to deliver you a 2-10 season. You’re buying stock that’s headed straight to OTC.

Being out on CFB b/c of the current model is way different than complaining on the internet like a 17ing 15 year old child at halftime about firing the coach and not letting him ride the plane home.

 

[Dawg1976]

My negativity is with the NIL and the portal. Some will say ‘that’s just the way it is so you might as well embrace it’. I’ll never be able to do that. These days I primarily watch the NFL for my football fix. Occasionally a top 10 college game. I didn’t watch any of the Egg bowl this year and that’s the first time since I graduated from MSU from back in the 70’s. I admit….I'm just one of those get off my lawn types at this point.

 

[paindonthurt17]

Something many of you don’t seem to get, is when fans (like me) supported MSU sports for decades, and then suddenly get labeled as “the new problem”, I’m 17ing out.

I learned years ago the most powerful vote you have in this country is the dollars you spend. Once you have marginalized me as “the problem” you’ll never get another dime.

Most of us here already agree this current iteration of CFB is foolishly unsustainable. So why support a dying model with dollars to institutions who receive hundreds of millions in TV revenue, and then shamelessly panhandle to it’s fans to supply pro-level salaries to unproven kids with no contracts, and then demonize them for asking questions and wanting transparency?

This isn’t a popular sentiment, but I’m out on CFB right now. Everytime someone says people like me are the problem, congrats. I grit my teeth and dig my heels even more. Enjoy throwing your money onto this chasm for the courts and these asssclowns to deliver you a 2-10 season. You’re buying stock that’s headed straight to OTC.

And i'm 42. I've been supporting since before I finished my bachelors. Amazingly i rank in the top 10% of the bulldog club. Its not bc i give a ton of money either. Its because we are so far behind other schools.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

And i'm 42. I've been supporting since before I finished my bachelors. Amazingly i rank in the top 10% of the bulldog club. Its not bc i give a ton of money either. Its because we are so far behind other schools.

I just looked (on dogtag), i'm 2708 out of 8690, there must be more than 8690 in the BC, right?

 

[The Cooterpoot]

I've been doing this since the 70s. I've never seen an administration at this school treat fans the way this one does. Keenum runs it like a Washington swamp. Football is dead and our academics are falling off the table. The only thing he's done is expand into the medical side but we had to stick that in a hell hole. We've done more outside of Starkville than inside it. I've had multiple kids play ball at State. The common theme from them is first time professors who can barely speak English and their advisors telling them what a joke certain schools are since Keenum took over. Had a couple kids tell me they had to go through every test they took because the grading was incorrect so much they'd have terrible grades if they didn't.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I was too, my dad is an alum, me and the ol' lady are, our kids go there. But why trash it with such vengeance?

On another most when someone state that we are such an undesirable program we'd have to pay a 20% surcharge to get a player to come here.

This is an actual post from a "fan:"

Most players would pick the barn if we were offering 1.2m and AU was offering 1m. It's just like coaches, we have to pay a premium to get people to come here.

Hopefully that’s a contemporary take. I would imagine e it’s hard to look at this season as a recruit and see something attractive other than potential playing time. At present we have one year under this coaching regime, and he’s a first year head coach, so he can’t even point to past success as an indicator. If you have no pre-disposition towards MSU, what is the current draw?

I love State and if I had the talent to play there I wouldn’t even consider another place to play, but when I was 18 with no $$$ and no particular allegiance…

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

The common theme from them is first time professors who can barely speak English

I had these type professors in the 80s/90s, I'm assuming its a money saving deal. It's crazy though and a disservice to students. Do other universities do this?

 

[HRMSU]

Do we need a MMSGA movement ****

 

[campshelbydog1116]

I was too, my dad is an alum, me and the ol' lady are, our kids go there. But why trash it with such vengeance?

On another most when someone state that we are such an undesirable program we'd have to pay a 20% surcharge to get a player to come here.

This is an actual post from a "fan:"

Most players would pick the barn if we were offering 1.2m and AU was offering 1m. It's just like coaches, we have to pay a premium to get people to come here.

Well that post is the truth. We have lost our best players to the portal the past 3 years and we offered them more money than the schools they went to. We are a stepping stone program to anyone that wasn't born into it like we were. It is what it is. JA is considering us because of Lebby, not because of the school.