I think as much effort and resources we have put into baseball we have underachieved .
Rhonda Keenum
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If that was true, Texas wouldn’t have let Vic hire his daughter. Starkville wasn’t big enough for both Vic and Cohen.
Are you implying if we won national championships in women’s basketball our enrollment would increase?
That’s not a crazy argument. Increased visibility tends to lead to increased Im enrollment. Certainly not going to drive enrollment like a football or men’s basketball championship would, but ther would likely be an effect, even if it’s be hard or impossible to prove.
Dysfunctional?
Cohen has issues but he also did some good things.
Glad he’s gone. Also glad he was hired at the time.
I have no idea if that had anything to do with him leaving, but the relationship part is true. There was a relationship. No idea if it was ever brought up
A player on the team was very good friends with one of the Cohen kids. This player didn’t play as much as she wanted. The Cohen’s said Vic refused to play her because of her lifestyle off the court.
I agree with what Rhonda said. Cohen would have been easily replaced but Vic was not. Glad we got our new AD and I bet he will do a much better job than what Cohen did. Cohen was a liability but Vic was one of the biggest assets STATE ever had.
Even as a baseball coach he was hit & miss. He rebuilt the program & had some great seasons. But no coach in our history has finished dead **ing last as much as I’d did.
Not saying it did 100% happen, but who says Texas would have known anything about what happened? And even if they did, it didn’t happen on their campus so they are free and clear. Bobby Petrino got multiple 2nd chances, too.
Exactly, anyone who doesn't think John Cohen did a great job FINALLY bringing our baseball program into the 21st century and setting us up for long term success doesn't know what they are talking about. Now Cohen as AD, a job he had zero experience for at ANY level, is a totally different matter. I was not upset Auburn took him off our hands and I do hold him responsible for us losing Schaefer.
What lifestyle? The same one that multiple starting players on all of Vic’s teams (including Vic’s own daughter) also had? This just seems so over the top ridiculous that its impossible to believe. Really hard to believe John or Nelle would be stupid enough to ever say that to anyone while knowing the dynamics of women’s basketball. And if it wasn’t them and was actually one or more of their kids saying it, that’s not really on them. And Vic is an idiot if he would ever try and tie those two things together.
Well there if there is no formal documentation....there really isn't a reason to deny her hiring .......an innuendo may be true but is still unproven
But you think it’s reasonable to believe an employee would get fired from State for having an inappropriate relationship with a player but another school would instantly hire that person? Believe what you want. Consider what Mrs Keenum just said and ask yourself which scenario that makes sense with. I’m done commenting on this.
"Change agent" and "ax man." They'll probably pay him (Cohen) well. And when he gets dumped by Yellawood, he'll cry all the way to the bank.
ETA: Bottom line: Likely a "win-win" for all involved
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Texas wouldn’t have cared if it wasn’t on the record and they made it clear ahead of time.
they’ve made other hires that could be perceived as worse.
No idea if it was true or not.
Whether people like him or not, he did help right the ship with baseball. If Polk had his way, we still wouldn't have ever won the World Series.
We've already covered what was going down with Blair/Aussie scissoring scandal. Vic and Cohen disagreed on the solution. Vic is struggling at TX. Cohen is gone. Move on
Whatever transpired for him to leave, Vic Schaefer essentially was our WBB program. WBB at MSU stunk before Schaefer got here, was really good while he was here, and now stinks again. So basically our WBB program left when Schaefer left.
First off, no employee ever got fired from MSU. Not even Blair. I don’t even fully acknowledge that the incident happened (I don’t know). But if it did, I believe that its very plausible that Texas either didn’t know about it, or they looked past it with the understanding that it was a mistake from an inexperienced person just starting out in the real world who had learned her lesson and it wouldn’t be repeated….and the fact that they were hiring a Top 3 or 4 coach in all of women’s basketball at the time made it pretty damn easy to look past it.
Lets not pretend that Bobby Petrino and Hugh Freeze haven’t both landed multiple jobs since their transgressions, and neither of them was ever anywhere close to the caliber of coach as Schaefer was in his peak.
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Yep.
Auburn got what they needed for an AD.
State finally got an outside AD.
And John got out at a point when he could.
If you would be willing to name some of these people I think a lot of us would be more than happy to throw some vitriol their way. Right now the only person I know responsible for hiring Cohen as AD was the guy he worked for, Keenum.
Actually, at least pre-NIL, baseball was one of the most difficult sports to win a national championship in no matter how much you 'tried'. So it was a great accomplishment to finally get one. Unlike football, there is a lot of randomness inherent in baseball and there has always been the same 11.7 schollys for schools that don't care as there is for schools that do care. Football is the easiest for the best programs to dominate because of the physical nature of football and the fact that football has a glut of scholarships that allows elite programs to scarf up most all the elite players on signing day and then just spit out the ones that don't live up to their hype later. Now yes, if you are dominant enough (and use steriods) like LSU in the 90s, you can win big consistently in Omaha but that's about the only way, and that was a different era.
How many employees does the Bulldog Club have? I'll bet it's way too many.
I’m pretty sure he has the worst cumulative SEC record of all time in Ms state baseball history as a head coach. Maybe worse overall too. He was above average at times but never special.
Who would've thought JC and NC would've had a problem with homosexual relationships.......
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I think it was more the assistant coach & player aspect of it. That just can’t happen.
Some of ya’ll are on drugs. 2009-2010 were 100% completely on Polk. Awful talent left over and still his awful recruits coming in. 2011-2016, when actual Cohen recruits started coming in,brought 3 super regionals, a national runner up finish, and an SEC title. Thats the best half-decade run we had since before the 12 team SEC, and was only exceeded by the next 5 years which were largely also a product of Cohen recruits.
You’re the one on drugs my friend. 2011-2016. We went 94-87 in the SEC overall. We had two good years where we went 18-12 and 21-9. Our best team under Cohen never made it out of the Supers.
Who was coaching that team in Omaha in 2013?
Yep, no doubt. I was just being a bit facetious..........Left of the *****