Ruination of Football.

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Things are likely evolving as they should. It always happens. The bigger issue for football is the rise of the lacrosse moms. It seems to be more attractive than soccer to would be soccer moms and they are making a dent in football participation. This is also a logical development
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You aren’t wrong, but statistically, a very large majority of those players entering the portal aren’t landing somewhere else or it’s a lateral/step down move. Sure, a few stars like Caleb Williams hit the portal and star somewhere else, but that isn’t the fate for most.
I think most are landing somewhere. Some move up and some move down but why enter the portal if you aren't likely to land anywhere?

Rucci & Flemming didn't enter the portal to sit idle. KLS will play at Auburn.
 

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Yes some are for sure, that is how the rules are currently written and it's legal for them to do so. If they don't like the depth chart, coach, or school they don't have to stay any longer. I have zero issues with freedom when it comes to sports and what or where someone wants to go.
Yes it's legal but it's horrible. Seems to me accepting a scholarship should be a binding contract. Currently the commitment binds the school but not the player. It Also deemphasizes academics.
 

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We bought 3 laSaquan jerseys at Walmart for $40 ea. moms was questioning the wisdom of white but im wearing that jersey every game day in the Philly bars til I die. It’s gonna have scars. 2 said he’s wearing his all usc weekend lol
If any U$C fans give you a hard time while wearing a Barkley jersey, just say “remember the run”
 
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Yes it's legal but it's horrible. Seems to me accepting a scholarship should be a binding contract. Currently the commitment binds the school but not the player. It Also deemphasizes academics.
The same poor old schools who beg these kids to come and take that TV and bowl revenue? That model is dead. Had the greedy suits paid the kids years back, maybe they wouldn’t be where they are. Greed is the problem, but it’s not on one side only.
 

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Morons don't belong in school. If you aren't there to learn, you shouldn't be admitted.
 

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I think most are landing somewhere. Some move up and some move down but why enter the portal if you aren't likely to land anywhere?

Rucci & Flemming didn't enter the portal to sit idle. KLS will play at Auburn.
 

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there would be very few colleges left open if you start excluding morons

The schools hold the keys. No Imbeciles admitted just because they can play football. A pipedream, but nice to imagine. The standard tests were supposed to eliminate this bs. What happened?

You got 12 points for signing your name. How many dumbbells couldn't even do that?
 
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The same poor old schools who beg these kids to come and take that TV and bowl revenue? That model is dead. Had the greedy suits paid the kids years back, maybe they wouldn’t be where they are. Greed is the problem, but it’s not on one side only.
I didn't say anything about greed or who was responsible. I'm simply saying that the current system is ridiculous. It's bad for fans and it's bad for the game. It's probably also bad for most players who are now prioritizing $50k in NIL money over their education.

Professional athletes have contracts. They can't transfer between teams at will. Coaches don't have to re recruit their current roster every year. Players like Mahomes can work on the side doing things like TV ads but the company paying them is receiving something of value in return. College players are getting paid by collectives for nothing. Can you imagine professional football fans/donors putting up money to attract players instead of having a draft?
 
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I didn't say anything about greed or who was responsible. I'm simply saying that the current system is ridiculous. It's bad for fans and it's bad for the game. It's probably also bad for most players who are now prioritizing $50k in NIL money over their education.

Professional athletes have contracts. They can't transfer between teams at will. Coaches don't have to re recruit their current roster every year. Players like Mahomes can work on the side doing things like TV ads but the company paying them is receiving something of value in return. College players are getting paid by collectives for nothing. Can you imagine professional football fans/donors putting up money to attract players instead of having a draft?
Actually I can because I follow other sports and sports models where kids are signed professionally by the age 17. They have youth academies below that, and nothing is a given that they will make it. They are recruited to academies under the age of 10 for professional coaching and signed to pro contracts and these clubs are then recruiting other players to fit their senior teams. The owners cannot sit back and just collect money for crap products because the bottom 3 teams get relegated so it's up to the club be successful with no guarantee of free secondary education, but then again most of the civilized world isn't as greedy as the US and they can get secondary education for free. Odd how people are so concerned about the athletes education....(BS), but the rest of the nation can GFThemselves and pay 200k for an education.

The NFL had a free farm system for decades (still do) and the NCAA had a cash cow where these kids were so gosh lucky to get "scholarships" for "education" so they just should appreciate that, shut up, and stay at a school for 4 years. Meanwhile fat cats like Emmert are making 2+ million a year to not govern the sport for the most part. Conference commissioners were making millions as well. School Presidents, AD, and HC's are overpaid, but I'm supposed to be upset at the recruits for getting money while they can and using the leverage they earned. The system was broke and everyone was fine with it until the kids started to push back, how dare they. Coaches get fired, can leave for better jobs, and the same for all of the administrators....so yeah, I'm not mad at the kids but the failed system these folks let play out for years lining their pockets. The education card is played out and has been for a while. Your coach could graduate and keep every kid for 4 years and if he isn't winning north of 9 games a year...he's fired so he has to adjust to it as well. You may not like it, but the NFL and NCAA milked the free farm league for years....now it's not going back in that box.
 
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Actually I can because I follow other sports and sports models where kids are signed professionally by the age 17. They have youth academies below that, and nothing is a given that they will make it. They are recruited to academies under the age of 10 for professional coaching and signed to pro contracts and these clubs are then recruiting other players to fit their senior teams. The owners cannot sit back and just collect money for crap products because the bottom 3 teams get relegated so it's up to the club be successful with no guarantee of free secondary education, but then again most of the civilized world isn't as greedy as the US and they can get secondary education for free. Odd how people are so concerned about the athletes education....(BS), but the rest of the nation can GFThemselves and pay 200k for an education.

The NFL had a free farm system for decades (still do) and the NCAA had a cash cow where these kids were so gosh lucky to get "scholarships" for "education" so they just should appreciate that, shut up, and stay at a school for 4 years. Meanwhile fat cats like Emmert are making 2+ million a year to not govern the sport for the most part. Conference commissioners were making millions as well. School Presidents, AD, and HC's are overpaid, but I'm supposed to be upset at the recruits for getting money while they can and using the leverage they earned. The system was broke and everyone was fine with it until the kids started to push back, how dare they. Coaches get fired, can leave for better jobs, and the same for all of the administrators....so yeah, I'm not mad at the kids but the failed system these folks let play out for years lining their pockets. The education card is played out and has been for a while. Your coach could graduate and keep every kid for 4 years and if he isn't winning north of 9 games a year...he's fired so he has to adjust to it as well. You may not like it, but the NFL and NCAA milked the free farm league for years....now it's not going back in that box.
there would be a portion of the players (CFB and MBB) that would value the scholarship and education. These are the players who recognize that there may not be a golden goose in their future as a pro. There is not enough $$$ that they can get from the college sport to be life altering, so they need to make the pros for this to become real for them. Thing is that only a small % make the pros and of those in the pros only a small % are making NIL $$$.

the people we should hear from are the guys who are 45-65 years old who never made the pros or a pro contract and wasted their scholarship so have no meaningful education. What is their opinion on the value of the free education?
 

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It’s funny to me you boys are soap boxing education before football. Who really cares if a guy takes his schooling seriously, it’s not your concern
 

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there would be a portion of the players (CFB and MBB) that would value the scholarship and education. These are the players who recognize that there may not be a golden goose in their future as a pro. There is not enough $$$ that they can get from the college sport to be life altering, so they need to make the pros for this to become real for them. Thing is that only a small % make the pros and of those in the pros only a small % are making NIL $$$.

the people we should hear from are the guys who are 45-65 years old who never made the pros or a pro contract and wasted their scholarship so have no meaningful education. What is their opinion on the value of the free education?

The value of a free education keeps the smart ones from lugging beer kegs, playing midnight basketball on an asphalt court, and playing in the turkey and other bowls on holidays.
 

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The value of a free education keeps the smart ones from lugging beer kegs, playing midnight basketball on an asphalt court, and playing in the turkey and other bowls on holidays.
Now you're getting personal. I didn't play in any holiday bowls but I definitely lugged beer kegs and played midnight basketball.
 

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Actually I can because I follow other sports and sports models where kids are signed professionally by the age 17. They have youth academies below that, and nothing is a given that they will make it. They are recruited to academies under the age of 10 for professional coaching and signed to pro contracts and these clubs are then recruiting other players to fit their senior teams. The owners cannot sit back and just collect money for crap products because the bottom 3 teams get relegated so it's up to the club be successful with no guarantee of free secondary education, but then again most of the civilized world isn't as greedy as the US and they can get secondary education for free. Odd how people are so concerned about the athletes education....(BS), but the rest of the nation can GFThemselves and pay 200k for an education.

The NFL had a free farm system for decades (still do) and the NCAA had a cash cow where these kids were so gosh lucky to get "scholarships" for "education" so they just should appreciate that, shut up, and stay at a school for 4 years. Meanwhile fat cats like Emmert are making 2+ million a year to not govern the sport for the most part. Conference commissioners were making millions as well. School Presidents, AD, and HC's are overpaid, but I'm supposed to be upset at the recruits for getting money while they can and using the leverage they earned. The system was broke and everyone was fine with it until the kids started to push back, how dare they. Coaches get fired, can leave for better jobs, and the same for all of the administrators....so yeah, I'm not mad at the kids but the failed system these folks let play out for years lining their pockets. The education card is played out and has been for a while. Your coach could graduate and keep every kid for 4 years and if he isn't winning north of 9 games a year...he's fired so he has to adjust to it as well. You may not like it, but the NFL and NCAA milked the free farm league for years....now it's not going back in that box.
I don't think many people are opposed to 17 year old kids signing pro contracts. They do that in baseball and basketball. Maybe hockey.

Pretending to care about academics, not being bound to a (scholarship) contract, and money for a second job that doesn't exist are the big issues.
 
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Yeah. Every Steelers Game, it’s on unless we are going ( one or two per season ) . Watch other games as well and the best double headers for Tgar have the Eagles playing, The Ravens, Cincinnati, etc. before or after and everybody loves Thursday, Sunday and Monday night games.

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Hurts is committed to the Eagles for 4 more years. How would you feel if he opted out of the playoffs and decided he wanted to play for somebody else next year?

He would not be allowed to without his team doing something drastic such as cutting him or trading him. This is not an apt comparison.
 
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there would be a portion of the players (CFB and MBB) that would value the scholarship and education. These are the players who recognize that there may not be a golden goose in their future as a pro. There is not enough $$$ that they can get from the college sport to be life altering, so they need to make the pros for this to become real for them. Thing is that only a small % make the pros and of those in the pros only a small % are making NIL $$$.

the people we should hear from are the guys who are 45-65 years old who never made the pros or a pro contract and wasted their scholarship so have no meaningful education. What is their opinion on the value of the free education?
There still is a portion that value education and work towards their degrees. Fans are butt hurt because the players are getting money or can transfer like any free market job system. Fans are butt hurt especially older fans as they had great entertainment and it mad themselves feel good talking about education even though there were guys that never took it serious and some that still don't. This isn't about the game being ruined, it's about how it impacts me for some....that is the real bottom line. People just mask it with bogus excuses like education, but that part hasn't changed and it's still available.
 
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I don't think many people are opposed to 17 year old kids signing pro contracts. They do that in baseball and basketball. Maybe hockey.

Pretending to care about academics, not being bound to a (scholarship) contract, and money for a second job that doesn't exist are the big issues.
Pretending to care about academics is what college football has done for decades and some people fell for it to make themselves feel better about it. Dexter Manley is waving hello as well as so many others that slipped through the cracks 40-50 years ago, but people can trick themselves into believing anything when it suits them. For those that want an education that option hasn't changed, but now they can make money on the side or leave if they feel like it.....so the only ones really hurt are fans looking to be upset by this. When the stadiums go empty or the TV money dries up due to people walking away from the game....maybe it changes.

I'll still be watching as will most on this site....even though some will feaux outrage on about it.
 

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I'll still watch both and I don't mind the players looking out for themselves as they risk injuries....not Emmert, Delaney, or any of these other greedy suits making millions off of the young players. Things evolve and if people just want to root for the purity of it....D2 and D3 football as well as high school are available. Had the NCAA and schools not been so greedy all along they probably could have gone a different route paying the players years back.
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He would not be allowed to without his team doing something drastic such as cutting him or trading him. This is not an apt comparison.
You're making my point. He wouldn't be allowed to do that because he has a contractual commitment. The world of college football has turned into the wild west where there are very few rules.
 
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Pro football is as popular as ever.

College football might be different. Fans attend college football games because they are loyal to their universities and fellow students. Once you put college athletes on the payroll that bond starts to fade. Add unrestricted transfers and opt outs and there's no loyalty to players. It also makes the idea of obtaining a meaningful college degree less achievable.

Just think if your favorite baseball player decided to skip the playoffs and play for somebody else next year. The current college system is really effed up.
Player under contract? They would be sued for breach of contract, be fined by the league and lose millions. Other than that nothing.
 

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You're making my point. He wouldn't be allowed to do that because he has a contractual commitment. The world of college football has turned into the wild west where there are very few rules.

I guess I misunderstood your point. My apologies.