Show us the rule that says you can't fake talking a knee.
Next time put up 70 with no fakes. I am sure you will find something to complain about.
"Rules Expert" stated Beau should have been whistled down on his TD Pass
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Next time put up 70 with no fakes. I am sure you will find something to complain about.
as the OP, I copied the rule that is for fake sliding. I found no rule re fake knee. That is why I thought the rules expert on the broadcast was incorrect.
It's not like we block a kick against OSU and they change the rules the following season, or is it.
Why would you take a knee in the backfield with 2:20 left on the clock?
1998 Bourbon Bowl. University of Louisiana took knees almost the entire second half in an attempt to keep the SDLSU Mud Dogs star linebacker off the field.
Obviously, such situations are governed by the NCAA rulebook (surprised to see so many argue that such a rule doesn't exist). That said, any such rule, obviously, invokes the "judgement" of the officials (it's not like a "crossed the goal line, or "fumble/no fumble" deal, which have clearly defined metrics).
I can't imagine anyone (including the officials) thinking that was a "faking taking a knee" situation (and, of course, none of the officials did) - but. again, it is by definition a "judgement call", so anyone can make their own judgement (even the supposed "expert" in a studio somewhere).
I can't imagine anyone (including the officials) thinking that was a "faking taking a knee" situation (and, of course, none of the officials did) - but. again, it is by definition a "judgement call", so anyone can make their own judgement (even the supposed "expert" in a studio somewhere).
No one would
. It was a stupid comment by the "rules" announcer who broadcasts seemingly give way too much time to when there is no reason too.
Why would a QB lunge forward to take a knee? Makes no sense. Plus the slow motion and rear view make it look. worse. He may have lunged forward too hard making his knee almost hit the ground when he stopped. But I've never seen a QB lunge forward when intending to take a knee behind the LOS. Either way, it is a judgment call. They don't blow the whistle until his knee hits. the ground anyway.
Some reasons for why this was Pribula faking the QB power run and not faking a kneel-down.
Context: Pribula 99% of the time in that situation takes off running (and NW knew that from film). Faking a run makes a lot of sense if the coaches wanted more points with the backups in...it's just a solo play action pass.
Time: 2:26 left on the clock seems just a little too much to take a knee in that context.
Formation: they were not lined up in any kind of protective formation that would indicate that they were taking a knee.
Routes: all five eligible receivers immediately cleared out on pass routes after the snap...no one even faked blocks (blocking is, you know, kind of important for the kneel-down play).
I knew right away what they were doing and was shocked that the rules expert interpreted that as faking a knee. I think Beau needs to do a better job mechanically at selling the run and not coming that close to his knee being down, but it still worked in the end and I enjoyed that play.
Context: Pribula 99% of the time in that situation takes off running (and NW knew that from film). Faking a run makes a lot of sense if the coaches wanted more points with the backups in...it's just a solo play action pass.
Time: 2:26 left on the clock seems just a little too much to take a knee in that context.
Formation: they were not lined up in any kind of protective formation that would indicate that they were taking a knee.
Routes: all five eligible receivers immediately cleared out on pass routes after the snap...no one even faked blocks (blocking is, you know, kind of important for the kneel-down play).
I knew right away what they were doing and was shocked that the rules expert interpreted that as faking a knee. I think Beau needs to do a better job mechanically at selling the run and not coming that close to his knee being down, but it still worked in the end and I enjoyed that play.
The only reason this has even a little traction is because it caused PSU to cover the spread. So, it's basically the gamblers complaining about a no call that prevented them getting paid. If this occurred to get PSU up three scores but not to cover, it wouldn't even be commented on because it was clearly a fake run.
I’m trying to picture what QBs do when they are actually taking a knee. Isn’t it typically a step BACKWARD to go into a kneeldown? Away from the line, to help further mitigate any bad outcome of possibly bobbling the ball.
If a backward step is the standard, this forward lunge looks even less like a fake taking of a knee — though it looks no less stiff and awkward
If a backward step is the standard, this forward lunge looks even less like a fake taking of a knee — though it looks no less stiff and awkward
Great post, thanks.
And it’s the play that keeps on giving with all the amusing banter it has spawned
These so called rules experts in the broadcast booth need to be done away with. The over analyzation of rules and things they think should have happened in the game are not entertaining and have just become annoying. Anyone watching the play in real time knew he was faking running the ball to draw the LBers in which opens up the center of the field. I recall Kerry Collins running a play sort of like this the 1994 season, and then popping up and completing a jump pass to Kyle Brady dragging across the middle where the LBers should have been. If you lunge towards the LOS like Beau did, of course your back leg will drag a little. I am just glad his knee never touched the ground. The clown rules expert in the booth probably spoke too soon and did not realize how much time was left on the clock or the formation PSU was in.
It's very clearly a fake knee. One he didn't even have to pretend to do; just throw the f*cking ball and it's a score either way.
+100. They must have cut to that rules guy, at least 3 times, over plays that they didn't need too and that didn't matter.
How many teams line up to take a fake knee with 4 WR's split out wide? As soon as the ball is snapped Potts is flying out of the backfield to sell a possible block and the RG is pulling.....not sure how anyone takes that as clearly a fake knee?
Or with more than 2:30 seconds to go in the game. It was just stupid.
I was thinking they were just going to have him run some keeps, but JF loves to cover the spread. Honestly I think that is all this was really about. Not sure why he loves to do so, but it's not hidden in the betting world. What is that nine or ten straight covers?
I think it's one of those "streak" and "numbers" things he (Franklin) likes obsessing over. Sort of like scoring more than 30 pts for however many games. Beating the spread by however many games. And not throwing an INT since fall camp...I'm sure I'm missing some.
With all due respect, it is not clearly a fake knee. Anyone who knows the fundamentals of football would know this. There is a pulling guard right in front of Beau, watch the play and keep your eye on the LBer. Beau's fake running towards the LOS pulls that LBer closer to the LOS because the LBer thinks it is a run. If Beau doesn't perform the fake run then the LBer would have been in position to cover Potts. Because of the actions of the guard and QB caused the LBer to be out of positon, you can see the oh **** expression on the LBers face when he realizes the RB is wide open where he was supposed to cover on pass plays, made this play successdul. A football play has a lot more going on then just at the point of attack. Fundamental LBer play is to read the guards action into the backfield(QB, RBs). Offenses design plays for lineman, QBs, RBs, WRs, to take certain steps to disguise what is going on to make plays successful. Northwestern LBers bought this one hook line and sinker. I can see how the untrained eye would think it was a fake knee but look at the formation, look at how much time is left on the clock. Usually when a team is going to fake a knee they would have lined up in the victory formation and run something out of that to catch the defense off guard. They wouldn't line up with twins to both sides with the QB in shotgun with RB next to him. Everyone would have been in tight and QB up under the center. Hope this point of view helps.
Ah the debates of a 5-0 team ranked #6 heading into a bye week. These are nice problems to have.
So much self-loathing over a play that few people outside this message board even care about. Would it make the guilt ridden folks feel better if we just gave the win to NW?? Or maybe nullify the TD so the final score is 34-13?? Oh, the drama……
Relax dude. Just people debating an interesting play. It's what people do on message boards. You can think that he was faking a knee and still love PSU football.
The whistle is an important factor also. I saw the fake slide called in week one, and the officials blew the play dead the minute the QB popped up from the fake slide.
It looked more like Bob man-spreading to save a place in the Starbucks latte line for his wife. Definitely didn't look like a football move. No flag.
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The formation and/or time left doesn’t matter. Beau may have tried to do a couple things at once and the result is what looks like a fake knee. You can find dozens of YouTube videos of teams in the victory formation still running a play when everyone thought they would kneel. It’s the QBs actions that matter and here it looks like a fake knee.
I agree completely that the formation didn't look like it would be a kneel down, the rest of the play design itself didn't look like it, or that Franklin's history in that situation wouldn't make you expect a kneel down (though it's not crazy to think a coach with a 3 TD lead would start taking knees with a little over 2 minutes left on the clock).
I was simply basing it on Beau's actions, and the fact that it looked very much like he was going down to take a knee (and plenty of QBs in the shotgun take a step forward, rather than backward like you'd see out of a traditional snap, to take their knee). If he's faking a run, it's one of the most akward fakes I've ever seen, and certainly left it up to the referees to determine his intention.
I was simply basing it on Beau's actions, and the fact that it looked very much like he was going down to take a knee (and plenty of QBs in the shotgun take a step forward, rather than backward like you'd see out of a traditional snap, to take their knee). If he's faking a run, it's one of the most akward fakes I've ever seen, and certainly left it up to the referees to determine his intention.
He also has been doing that pull back into a QB keeper the last few weeks. Seemed like he was selling the draw and his knee dropped while trying to pull up. That is what I saw more than a fake knee as the OG pulling tells the D right away it's not a team taking a knee.
I think it's just Beau over selling the fake and almost downing himself. I think it really is/was that simple.
It's very clearly a fake run that is awkwardly executed and has a resemblance to a fake knee down which is very obviously was not.
So wouldn't an approximately equal number of gamblers have GOTTEN paid by PSU covering the spread?
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