Sankey hints at remorse for his actions leading to demise of the Pac 12

[18IsTheMan]

In a roundabout away, he seemed to acknowledge the SEC's role in the demise of the Pac 12, which he says causes him "a little tinge of sadness, probably more than just a little sadness."

He went on to say "I take responsibility where we've made moves" which seems to be an allusion to the SEC's addition of Texas and OU, which set it motion the events leading to the demise of the Pac 12.

He also says the SEC is comfortable in its footprint and doesn't need to be in 4 different time zones to generate interest.

But in spite of his apparent sense of remorse on some level for triggering the destruction of the Pac 12 and being comfortable with where the SEC sits right now, he allude to being open to future expansion by saying "We're always going to be attentive to what's happening around us. And perhaps there'll be some opportunity, but it needs to be a lot of philosophical alignment."

On the one hand, he seems to look around at the landscape of college football and lament the direction it is heading and regrets his role in that. On the other hand, he can't resist the allure of potential future expansion.

SEC's Sankey feels 'sadness' as Pac-12 dissolves

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said watching the Pac-12 dissolve to four teams in the latest round of conference realignment "wasn't one of those great feelings to work in college sports."

www.espn.com

 

[Forkcock]

Meh. Not the SEC's problem.

 

[Blues man]

IDK if it would have made a difference but the whole notion of there being a "Power 5" should have never existed. Because they were grouped together they were expected to be comparable. They were not and it wasn't even close. It was a stupid idea to begin with.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Meh. Not the SEC's problem.

Depends on who you ask. The additions of Texas and OU is what triggered the Big 10 to go out and add USC and SoCal which caused a lot of angst among many SEC folks on the revenue issue.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

I believe Oklahoma and Texas,especially Texas made overtures to the PAC 12 about becoming members years ago and were rebuffed.So there.

Also Texas and Oklahoma were unhappy in the Big 12 and were going somewhere.I don't really blame Sankey at all.

 

[Deleted11512]

The P12 died b/c they have terrible leadership. Period. It's their own fault. Same is happening to the B12. They'll be next.

One gripe I have is seeing Lane Kiffin going after the NCAA for not stepping in on all of this to look after the student athlete. What?? These individual SCHOOLS made these decisions. It's the schools' primary jobs to look after the well being of their student athletes...not the NCAA. His ire should be directed towards Wash/Ore for putting their non revenue athletes in this position. Nobody made them do it. They did it for $$. He's bashing everyone EXCEPT those whom are directly responsible....the schools that decided to leave.

 

[stormtrooper2001]

It's not my job to stop me

 

[CockofEarle…]

In a roundabout away, he seemed to acknowledge the SEC's role in the demise of the Pac 12, which he says causes him "a little tinge of sadness, probably more than just a little sadness."

He went on to say "I take responsibility where we've made moves" which seems to be an allusion to the SEC's addition of Texas and OU, which set it motion the events leading to the demise of the Pac 12.

He also says the SEC is comfortable in its footprint and doesn't need to be in 4 different time zones to generate interest.

But in spite of his apparent sense of remorse on some level for triggering the destruction of the Pac 12 and being comfortable with where the SEC sits right now, he allude to being open to future expansion by saying "We're always going to be attentive to what's happening around us. And perhaps there'll be some opportunity, but it needs to be a lot of philosophical alignment."

On the one hand, he seems to look around at the landscape of college football and lament the direction it is heading and regrets his role in that. On the other hand, he can't resist the allure of potential future expansion.

SEC's Sankey feels 'sadness' as Pac-12 dissolves

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said watching the Pac-12 dissolve to four teams in the latest round of conference realignment "wasn't one of those great feelings to work in college sports."

www.espn.com

18, where does he “hint”?
Am I missing something……
…….this stuff started way before Texas Oklahoma

 

[KingWard]

In a roundabout away, he seemed to acknowledge the SEC's role in the demise of the Pac 12, which he says causes him "a little tinge of sadness, probably more than just a little sadness."

He went on to say "I take responsibility where we've made moves" which seems to be an allusion to the SEC's addition of Texas and OU, which set it motion the events leading to the demise of the Pac 12.

He also says the SEC is comfortable in its footprint and doesn't need to be in 4 different time zones to generate interest.

But in spite of his apparent sense of remorse on some level for triggering the destruction of the Pac 12 and being comfortable with where the SEC sits right now, he allude to being open to future expansion by saying "We're always going to be attentive to what's happening around us. And perhaps there'll be some opportunity, but it needs to be a lot of philosophical alignment."

On the one hand, he seems to look around at the landscape of college football and lament the direction it is heading and regrets his role in that. On the other hand, he can't resist the allure of potential future expansion.

SEC's Sankey feels 'sadness' as Pac-12 dissolves

SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said watching the Pac-12 dissolve to four teams in the latest round of conference realignment "wasn't one of those great feelings to work in college sports."

www.espn.com

Very cringe-worthy statements and exceedingly weak-livered. Beyond that, wrongheaded. My respect for him just went into the toilet.

If someone needs to apologize, it should be someone from the B1G. They are the outside agency that blew up that league. The SEC didn't take any of their schools, did it?

I don't expect the B1G will be apologizing, nor should they. Why should anyone show contrition over another league's ineptitude and lack of foresight? The Pac 12 hobbled itself starting several years back with Scott at the helm. They followed that up by hiring the current jack@$$.

Sankey's pronouncements were mawkish and distasteful, probably made in a maladroit attempt to appease what he perceives to be someone's contempt for him. No one has more contempt for him than I do after hearing his remarks yesterday. Disgusting.

 

[Prestonyte]

Very cringe-worthy statements and exceedingly weak-livered. Beyond that, wrongheaded. My respect for him just went into the toilet.

If someone needs to apologize, it should be someone from the B1G. They are the outside agency that blew up that league. The SEC didn't take any of their schools, did it?

I don't expect the B1G will be apologizing, nor should they. Why should anyone show contrition over another league's ineptitude and lack of foresight? The Pac 12 hobbled itself starting several years back with Scott at the helm. They followed that up by hiring the current jack@$$.

Sankey's pronouncements were mawkish and distasteful, probably made in a maladroit attempt to appease what he perceives to be someone's contempt for him. No one has more contempt for him than I do after hearing his remarks yesterday. Disgusting.

Sankey needs to apologize for the apology he gave which wasn't his to give, since the SEC is not at fault.
Gave the appearance of weakness and gave the B1G a blood in the water moment.

 

[KingWard]

Sankey needs to apologize for the apology he gave which wasn't his to give, since the SEC is not at fault.
Gave the appearance of weakness and gave the B1G a blood in the water moment.

Completely emasculated himself to no purpose. Craven, disgraceful statement.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Very cringe-worthy statements and exceedingly weak-livered. Beyond that, wrongheaded. My respect for him just went into the toilet.

If someone needs to apologize, it should be someone from the B1G. They are the outside agency that blew up that league. The SEC didn't take any of their schools, did it?

I don't expect the B1G will be apologizing, nor should they. Why should anyone show contrition over another league's ineptitude and lack of foresight? The Pac 12 hobbled itself starting several years back with Scott at the helm. They followed that up by hiring the current jack@$$.

Sankey's pronouncements were mawkish and distasteful, probably made in a maladroit attempt to appease what he perceives to be someone's contempt for him. No one has more contempt for him than I do after hearing his remarks yesterday. Disgusting.

Eh, it was overall a statement of strength for the SEC.

Disingenuous as they were, I appreciated his attempt at mild remorse for playing some role in the destruction of the game. Not remorseful enough to say he'd stop, though. I don't have any problem with him acknowledging the obvious reality that the additions of UT and OU contributed, in part, to the demise of the Pac 12. It is what it is. He said nothing to take full responsibility or say he shouldn't have added those programs.

He did further stake out a position of strength for the SEC by making clear that nothing the Big 10 has done has threatened the SEC's position in the game, which I think was a smart move. The last thing you want is a commissioner going out there and making it sound like we're playing catchup to the Big 10. Nothing could be further from the truth. He also said we don't need to be in 4 time zones to get eyeballs, which was a direct shot at the Big 10.

 

[KingWard]

Eh, it was overall a statement of strength for the SEC.

Disingenuous as they were, I appreciated his attempt at mild remorse for playing some role in the destruction of the game. Not remorseful enough to say he'd stop, though. I don't have any problem with him acknowledging the obvious reality that the additions of UT and OU contributed, in part, to the demise of the Pac 12. It is what it is. He said nothing to take full responsibility or say he shouldn't have added those programs.

He did further stake out a position of strength for the SEC by making clear that nothing the Big 10 has done has threatened the SEC's position in the game, which I think was a smart move. The last thing you want is a commissioner going out there and making it sound like we're playing catchup to the Big 10. Nothing could be further from the truth. He also said we don't need to be in 4 time zones to get eyeballs, which was a direct shot at the Big 10.

I think he needs to be nutted for it. Or maybe he made the statement because he's already nutted. Can you imagine calling a person who has been flattened and telling him, "I don't have any remedies, just empathy"? Does he even know what empathy means? He might as well have poured urine on the head of the person he was talking to. As for what the SEC "did", what was "done" that hasn't been done before?

 

[KingWard]

I believe Oklahoma and Texas,especially Texas made overtures to the PAC 12 about becoming members years ago and were rebuffed.So there.

Also Texas and Oklahoma were unhappy in the Big 12 and were going somewhere.I don't really blame Sankey at all.

Nor should you. Nor should he. The statement was a gratuitous and unnecessary debasement.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I think he needs to be nutted for it. Or maybe he made the statement because he's already nutted. Can you imagine calling a person who has been flattened and telling him, "I don't have any remedies, just empathy"? Does he even know what empathy means? He might as well have poured urine on the head of the person he was talking to. As for what the SEC "did", what was "done" that hasn't been done before?

You're making far too much of the statement. And it seems a contrived response.

It's just a plainly obvious reality: the additions of UT and OU precipitated, in part, the downfall of the Pac 12. There's no denying it. Is either Sankey or the SEC directly responsible? No, and he didn't suggest or imply that. Nor did he say the Pac 12 is guiltless. We've all made decisions for which there were unintended consequences that we wish had not taken place but which did not make us want to change our original decision.

I appreciate his attempt to at least make it seem he feels bad about the Pac 12 going under. It's a nice change from all the bloodthirsty greed everyone is displaying.

 

[KingWard]

You're making far too much of the statement. And it seems a contrived response.

It's just a plainly obvious reality: the additions of UT and OU precipitated, in part, the downfall of the Pac 12. There's no denying it. Is either Sankey or the SEC directly responsible? No, and he didn't suggest or imply that. Nor did he say the Pac 12 is guiltless. We've all made decisions for which there were unintended consequences that we wish had not taken place but which did not make us want to change our original decision.

I appreciate his attempt to at least make it seem he feels bad about the Pac 12 going under. It's a nice change from all the bloodthirsty greed everyone is displaying.

The only substantive change would have been not doing it if he was going to be remorseful about it. If Truman didn't apologize for dropping the bomb, then Sankey doesn't need to express any kind of remorse over this. https://www.newsweek.com/harry-truman-regret-hiroshima-1523018

 

[18IsTheMan]

The only substantive change would have been not doing it if he was going to be remorseful about it. If Truman didn't apologize for dropping the bomb, then Sankey doesn't need to express any kind of remorse over this. https://www.newsweek.com/harry-truman-regret-hiroshima-1523018

Terrible analogy.

 

[Deleted11512]

I actually think it's pretty funny that he's sad for the P12. The SEC has now pillaged 4 B12 teams, including the two bell cows of the conference. That conference is a dead man walking, all thanks to the SEC. But sad for the P12...hahaha.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I actually think it's pretty funny that he's sad for the P12. The SEC has now pillaged 4 B12 teams, including the two bell cows of the conference. That conference is a dead man walking, all thanks to the SEC. But sad for the P12...hahaha.

Yes, his sorrow is disingenuous, at best.

 

[KingWard]

Terrible analogy.

It's the ultimate analogy for demonstrating how contrition over what the SEC has done is bullcrap.

 

[Prestonyte]

The only substantive change would have been not doing it if he was going to be remorseful about it. If Truman didn't apologize for dropping the bomb, then Sankey doesn't need to express any kind of remorse over this. https://www.newsweek.com/harry-truman-regret-hiroshima-1523018

Yep, both were destructive outcomes - waiting for a rebuild. No apologies needed.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's the ultimate analogy for demonstrating how contrition over what he SEC has done is bullcrap.

When you drop a nuclear bomb on a city, you are fully aware of the repercussions. Truman had been fully advised and briefed on the outcome, expected damage, casualties etc. (But, yes, dropping the bombs was a good thing, as the only other alternative was a protracted land invasion which would have led to a catastrophic loss of life in the tens of millions...indeed, Japan boasted of sacrificing 100 million people for the cause).

Nobody predicted or in any way anticipated the ultimate death of the Pac 12 as a result of UT and OU moving to the SEC. Yes, all understood there would likely be a domino effect but nobody knew what that would be. We dropped the bombs with eyes wide open. Two years ago, nobody predicted or anticipated the Pac 12 would be dead in 2024. The analogy just doesn't work.

Now, if one of the bombs dropped on Japan had unexpectedly caused unanticipated catastrophic damage to Korea and parts of China, then this analogy would work.

 

[KingWard]

When you drop a nuclear bomb on a city, you are fully aware of the repercussions. Truman had been fully advised and briefed on the outcome, expected damage, casualties etc. (But, yes, dropping the bombs was a good thing, as the only other alternative was a protracted land invasion which would have led to a catastrophic loss of life in the tens of millions...indeed, Japan boasted of sacrificing 100 million people for the cause).

Nobody predicted or in any way anticipated the ultimate death of the Pac 12 as a result of UT and OU moving to the SEC. Yes, all understood there would likely be a domino effect but nobody knew what that would be. We dropped the bombs with eyes wide open. Two years ago, nobody predicted or anticipated the Pac 12 would be dead in 2024. The analogy just doesn't work.

Now, if one of the bombs dropped on Japan had unexpectedly caused unanticipated catastrophic damage to Korea and parts of China, then this analogy would work.

But that's not what happened, so your refutation, as well as his remarks, are nil. The Pac 12 collapsed due to decisions made over time by its leadership, which basically is the same thing that happened to Japan.

 

[18IsTheMan]

But that's not what happened, so your refutation, as well as his remarks, are nil. The Pac 12 collapsed due to decisions made over time by its leadership, which basically is the same thing that happened to Japan.

You cannot honestly believe the SEC's additions of Texas and OU played no role in leading the Big 10 to poach SoCal and UCLA which then lead to poaching Oregon and Washington for scheduling purposes.

If the SEC does not add Texas and OU, the Pac 12 is alive and kicking next year. No question.

There are lots of arguments one can make on this, but going to the atom bomb analogy was an overplay of your hand.

Besides, in your estimation, the SEC had nothing to do with the Pac 12 situation, so how does Truman not apologizing for the bombs have any connection? There was a direct connection from Truman to bombs to death and destruction Japan. So by your own logic, it's a bad analogy.

 

[KingWard]

You cannot honestly believe the SEC's additions of Texas and OU played no role in leading the Big 10 to poach SoCal and UCLA which then lead to poaching Oregon and Washington for scheduling purposes.

If the SEC does not add Texas and OU, the Pac 12 is alive and kicking next year. No question.

There are lots of arguments one can make on this, but going to the atom bomb analogy was an overplay of your hand.

Besides, in your estimation, the SEC had nothing to do with the Pac 12 situation, so how does Truman not apologizing for the bombs have any connection? There was a direct connection from Truman to bombs to death and destruction Japan. So by your own logic, it's a bad analogy.

What I honestly believe is that the Pac 12's vulnerabilities were the chief and probably only root cause, they were the product of maladroit leadership, and it was the B1G and the Big 12 that exploited those vulnerabilities. Let them confess their sins - if there are any. The SEC only did what he SEC has done before: contiguous, sensible, and timely expansion.

 

[18IsTheMan]

What I honestly believe is that the Pac 12's vulnerabilities were the chief and probably only root cause, they were the product of maladroit leadership, and it was the B1G and the Big 12 that exploited those vulnerabilities. Let them confess their sins - if there are any. The SEC only did what he SEC has done before: contiguous, sensible, and timely expansion.

Yes, and Sankey simply indirectly acknowledged that those moves likely contributed in some way to hastening the Pac 12's demise.

But the whole apology discussion is really moot since Sankey didn't actually apologize.

FWIW, it's really on the programs in the Pac 12 for not putting together any championship teams in the last 18 years.

 

[KingWard]

Yes, and Sankey simply indirectly acknowledged that those moves likely contributed in some way to hastening the Pac 12's demise.

But the whole apology discussion is really moot since Sankey didn't actually apologize.

FWIW, it's really on the programs in the Pac 12 for not putting together any championship teams in the last 18 years.

Whatever, it begins and ends with the Pac 12.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Whatever, it begins and ends with the Pac 12.

Then, once again, you believe the SEC played no role, which nukes the atomic bomb analogy (pun intended!).