Scott Rolen to Cooperstown…
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I grew up playing baseball in Indiana. He was part of a special group at Jasper High School in Indiana....great place to play, even today.
Loved playing the payoffs in Jasper.
Loved playing the payoffs in Jasper.
Two things I will always remember about Fred McGriff -
1. His first day on the Brave's roster, part of the press box at old Fulton County caught on fire.
2. This commercial
1. His first day on the Brave's roster, part of the press box at old Fulton County caught on fire.
2. This commercial
They really have to start letting the steroid guys in or something... Rolen and McGriff were good players in their era, but HOF... Pffft.
Just dont let anyone in if you are going to put in guys that were usually the 3rd or 4th best players on their roster. Dale Murphy was better in his era than Rolen or McGriff were in theirs...
Just dont let anyone in if you are going to put in guys that were usually the 3rd or 4th best players on their roster. Dale Murphy was better in his era than Rolen or McGriff were in theirs...
They might need special (dare I say Affirmative Action?) elections just for the Steroid Guys.
McGriff wasn’t a steroid user.
Scott Rolen was one of the best third baseman in the league throughout his career. 8 Gold Gloves.
25.
Gold gloves are extremely subjective too. Using a solid actual metric like DWAR, Rolen is 45th in MLB history. 3rd basemen Buddy Bell and Graig Nettles are both ahead of him and not in the hall of fame. Nettles and Bell had the distinct honor of sharing a league with Brooks Robinson for a few years and each other to cost themselves a few Gold Gloves.
Nettles also had 390 career home runs.
Using a subjective metric for a subjective honor?
Nettles and Bell combined for 8 gold gloves, that ties Rolen. And Rolen gets bonus points for playing for the Cards. Deal with it. Crime dog only got in because he helped those teams win back to back to back AAU national championships.
**I was surprised to see Rolen got in.
Keith Hernandez. 200 million times more HOF worthy than Scott Rolen.
To be more precise, 11 gold gloves. Two silver sluggers. One MVP. Two world championships. In the hall of fame of two different organizations. Criminal that he isn't in.
Scott Rolens voting numbers are rather odd. He went from barely making the threshold to stay on the ballot to several years later having just barely enough to make the HOF at 76%. What changed for him to suddenly have enough?
It just feels like there's a dearth of non steroid eligible players. I think Billy Wagner is probably the next guy up.
And to be clear, I don't mind Rolen getting in. A case can be made for him. But there's a lot of other dudes that have more compelling cases. I cited one of them in Hernandez.
It’s like voters don’t want to go a year without electing anyone so they elect people like Scott Rolen because he’s the best of a mediocre bunch. I mean, come on. He was a very good player, but Hall of Fame? Please.
My ******* is beyond bruising... That should be clear by now.
The BBWA are the ultimate dubmasses. They elected Rolen to the HOF, yet the same clowns only voted him in the top 10 of the NL MVP 1 time in his career. 45 other 3B have had at least 2 top 10 MVP finishes.
We should create a Hall of Really Good, But Never Great for players like this. Jeff Kent can join him there.
Today was the first day I ever heard of Scott Rolen.
To be fair, they may not the same dubmasses, but yeah, not sure he belongs in the HOF and Hernandez certainly before him. I say that as a semi-Cardinals fan who cheered for him.
It’s almost like the BBWA is doing this as a 17 you to the players involved in the steroid era. “Sorry Bonds, Sosa, A-Rod, Clemens, you’re not getting in. And to rub it in even more, we’re electing guys like Scott Rolen, who had a good, non-steroid controversy career. Now go to the corner and think about what you’ve done.”
Pro baseball, greater than thou attitude costs them fans all the time. HOF is just another big example of that. They literally say "Screw the fans" like no other sport.
This is who I am hoping gets in within the next year or two. Maybe the best to ever play the CF position
I like that part of Indiana. I'm biased though since I've got kin in the area.
Lincoln Amphitheatre at the state park is a nice place. I saw the Del McCoury Band play there a couple years ago.
St. Benedict's Brew Works in Ferdinand has some good beer too.
I'm kind of sort of thinking about heading up that way for the solar eclipse next year.
I agree that he's not the best ever.
Great defense though.
Who would you say is the best of his generation?
I think of him being between Junior & Trout.
I agree with you that he was a great defender. One of the best there.
I kinda consider Junior Griffey in his generation, even if Junior broke in a few years prior. You also have to put Edmonds in there, who I think was a better all around player than Jones. Jones hit a brick wall at age 30 and fell off pretty sharply with the bat after that.
Andruw Jones will get in eventually. He is an interesting case because of the way his career ended but for 10 years he was far and away the best defensive outfielder in baseball. And while some of his offensive stats aren't great he hit over 400 HRs. His combination of center field defense and power make him a HOFer in my opinion.
I said Andruw Jones was maybe the best to ever play the CF position. No doubt Griffey had a more productive career at the plate, but Andruw Jones played the defensive position like no one else I’ve ever seen. He made difficult plays look routine. His range in CF was unreal.
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