We are so much worse than anyone else in the…

[The Usual Suspect]

Conference it is pitiful.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Yeah we picked a terrible time to suck. We are truly cursed. Death of a good coach. And piss poor leadership in that time lead to bad decisions to trust the wrong people with the program. We are paying the dividends and while lebby may turn out to be a good coach. Getting a greenhorn means growing pains and lot of first time mistakes which you pay for dearly in this league. You don't get training wheels in the sec or many other power 4 jobs anymore

 

[uptowndawg]

It only took Lea 3 years to exceed expectations in his 4th year (even if he loses out). You just gotta hire the right guy and give him 4 years. Only problem is it’s a dice roll on who the right guy is, just look at all the bigger programs striking out on the bigger names. And if you lost that dice roll 4 years ago and want to cut bait and try again then you’re just stuck rolling the dice again.

 

[Called3rdstrikedawg]

Let's talk about the Indiana Head Coach. Wasn't he a sitting head coach somewhere else last year?

Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?

How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?

Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator an take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!

 

[Anon1665155225]

Let's talk about the Indiana Head Coach. Wasn't he a sitting head coach somewhere else last year?

Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?

How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?

Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator a take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!

Drinkwitz was HC at App st before he went to Columbia. FYI.

 

[Baddog11]

Mike Elko success in year one every where he’s been. Don’t give me the need 4 years bull cral.

 

[The Peeper]

It only took Lea 3 years to exceed expectations in his 4th year (even if he loses out). You just gotta hire the right guy and give him 4 years. Only problem is it’s a dice roll on who the right guy is, just look at all the bigger programs striking out on the bigger names. And if you lost that dice roll 4 years ago and want to cut bait and try again then you’re just stuck rolling the dice again.

4 years to get it right fell by the wayside with the advent of multi million $$ coaches contracts and NIL. There is no more team development period to win, you MAY get 3 years max. First year you gotta do better than the last guy and I don't mean 1 win better. 2nd year you show significant improvement. Year 3 if you backslide in this era that you can import and export players like Chinese trinkets, you are on thin ice with a short leash (or noose) pulled tight around your neck. You can tell your grandkids about that 4 year rule when y'all are discussing history and the good old days

 

[onewoof]

Guys hang on. We will have our big upset too when we play UMass soon

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

Mike Elko success in year one every where he’s been. Don’t give me the need 4 years bull cral.

TAMU was loaded with talent. Just needed someone who wasn’t an idiot to coach them up. Comparing that to our situation is disingenuous.

 

[mcfly.sixpack]

Comparing ourselves to the other schools in the conference, we dont look like the rest. We don’t physically have the build of a sec roster. On the offensive and defensive lines there is a dramatic “look” difference from us and everyone else. And that’s where we have to focus our recruiting and NIL efforts. It’s cliche but the SEC is still won on the line of scrimmage and we “look” closer to USM than anyone on our schedule.

 

[HRMSU]

It only took Lea 3 years to exceed expectations in his 4th year (even if he loses out). You just gotta hire the right guy and give him 4 years. Only problem is it’s a dice roll on who the right guy is, just look at all the bigger programs striking out on the bigger names. And if you lost that dice roll 4 years ago and want to cut bait and try again then you’re just stuck rolling the dice again.

Like drafting a QB1 in the NFL.

 

[HRMSU]

Comparing ourselves to the other schools in the conference, we dont look like the rest. We don’t physically have the build of a sec roster. On the offensive and defensive lines there is a dramatic “look” difference from us and everyone else. And that’s where we have to focus our recruiting and NIL efforts. It’s cliche but the SEC is still won on the line of scrimmage and we “look” closer to USM than anyone on our schedule.

It may be cliche but the 11 man game will always be won at the line of scrimmage no matter what league it is.

 

[GloryDawg]

The Vandy coach has been there four seasons. He said last night it wasn't until the end of last season he changed what he was doing. He was doing it wrong. He went out and found better coaches and hit the portal to get the talent. Hell, he even has one of our O Lineman. It does not take four years anymore. The portal has changed everything. Two years max.

 

[aTotal360]

Let's talk about the Indiana Head Coach. Wasn't he a sitting head coach somewhere else last year?

Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?

How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?

Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator an take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!

 

[onewoof]

The Vandy coach has been there four seasons. He said last night it wasn't until the end of last season he changed what he was doing. He was doing it wrong. He went out and found better coaches and hit the portal to get the talent. Hell, he even has one of our O Lineman. It does not take four years anymore. The portal has changed everything. Two years max.

Let this sink in. A lineman took a step up from State and went to Vandy. Ouch.

 

[RockyDog]

Let's talk about the Indiana Head Coach. Wasn't he a sitting head coach somewhere else last year?

Let's talk about Jed Fisch. Didn't he turn Arizona around from a 1 win team and parlayed it to the Washington Job?

How about the guy at Arizona State now. Sitting at 5-1 after only winning 3 last year. Where was he a coach at 2 years ago?

Are there ANY new Head Coaches this year having success that were Head Coaches somewhere else last year? Or are only Coordinators turned HC this year the success stories I realize it took the Missouri Coach a couple of years to get it going in Columbia. And Freeze sucks at Auburn after having success at Liberty. But why is it State needed to hire a coordinator a take 4 years to possible have the success "Vanderbilt" is having? Vanderfreakingbilt!!!

You are skipping years and revising history. Fisch went 1-11 then 5-7 THEN had his good year which included a LOSS to MSU. Dillingham went 3-9 last year.

Cignetti at IU is the anomaly and he was able to bring nearly his entire offensive system AND players with him from an 11-1 JMU team.

If we look like hot garbage at this time next year then maybe it’s time to worry about the future. But now we are stuck. Lebby inherited garbage and tried to patch it with mediocre portal talent. There’s no doubt he and his staff are going to have to hit a lot more than they miss this go round if he wants to stay employed.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

You are skipping years and revising history. Fisch went 1-11 then 5-7 THEN had his good year which included a LOSS to MSU. Dillingham went 3-9 last year.

Cignetti at IU is the anomaly and he was able to bring nearly his entire offensive system AND players with him from an 11-1 JMU team.

If we look like hot garbage at this time next year then maybe it’s time to worry about the future. But now we are stuck. Lebby inherited garbage and tried to patch it with mediocre portal talent. There’s no doubt he and his staff are going to have to hit a lot more than they miss this go round if he wants to stay employed.

Don't waste your time with logic, reason and facts, we have too many fans who actually want us to fail so they can say, "I told you so."