SEC Not interested in Miami, FSU or Clemson per ON3

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People tickle me with these "I don't want ________in the SEC" pronouncements. The league is going to take the best it can get. I don't know that the SEC could get UNC. But whether anyone likes it or not, UNC is the juiciest plum out there that isn't Notre Dame.
 
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The FSU filing is 38 pages long and I admit I have not read the whole filing, but your example is not the "tip of spear" of their Complaint For Declaratory Judgement.
Oh, I know. Just thought it was funny. We left and had to wonder the independent wilderness for 20 years before joining the sec.
 

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I don’t think Clemson or Miami is interested in leaving the ACC.
Even if FSU wanted to- its an FSU needs the SEC, but the SEC doesn’t need FSU situation. Especially after Oklahoma and Texas just joined. FSU first needs to part ways with the sleepy ACC, then come crawling.
 
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People tickle me with these "I don't want ________in the SEC" pronouncements. The league is going to take the best it can get. I don't know that the SEC could get UNC. But whether anyone likes it or not, UNC is the juiciest plum out there that isn't Notre Dame.
King Ward you amaze me sometimes. Anyway Merry Christmas!
 
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I don’t think Clemson or Miami is interested in leaving the ACC.
Even if FSU wanted to- its an FSU needs the SEC, but the SEC doesn’t need FSU situation. Especially after Oklahoma and Texas just joined. FSU first needs to part ways with the sleepy ACC, then come crawling.
I can tell you with full confidence, that statement does not hold true for one school in particular.
 
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Do we really want UNC to the SEC? After all the **** they've pulled against us, do we really want them here in the SEC? I would love to see UVA and Notre Dame instead of UVA and UNC....
Did A&M want Texas in the league? I dont see where anyone outside of us would object to UNC so I dont see us mattering. I dont have an opinion on it other than I would hope they wouldn't make us their permanent opponent. I don't like UNC but it's not to the level of CU.
 
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I don’t think Clemson or Miami is interested in leaving the ACC.
Even if FSU wanted to- its an FSU needs the SEC, but the SEC doesn’t need FSU situation. Especially after Oklahoma and Texas just joined. FSU first needs to part ways with the sleepy ACC, then come crawling.
I can’t speak for Miami but it’s certainly not true for Clemson. They most definitely want out of the ACC and I’m not talking about the fans.
 

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Just need to go the Chip Kelly route. Do away with conferences in favor of a large, 64 team P5 conference of "independents" to play each other. It will save a lot of anxiety in the long run.
"A Conference of Independents." That could be a great name for a book about the crazy political maneuvering going on with football conferences as the expanded playoff approaches.
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People tickle me with these "I don't want ________in the SEC" pronouncements. The league is going to take the best it can get. I don't know that the SEC could get UNC. But whether anyone likes it or not, UNC is the juiciest plum out there that isn't Notre Dame.
I do not know the criteria SEC has to invite a team for expansion, but if it is tele viewers I would pick Florida State.

 

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I do not know the criteria SEC has to invite a team for expansion, but if it is tele viewers I would pick Florida State.

That's one measure but it applies to one sport on a given year. UNC is a comprehensively better choice for territorial, demographic, academic, as well as athletic reasons. Putting everything together, it's the most attractive school that might become available and I don't think it's even close.
 

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Early Christmas present if true. Too bad ACC teams enjoy playing Cal, Stanford, SMU, BC, Pitt, Syracuse etc. We may get whooped but at least we are playing teams you can get excited about!!
Doesnt bode well for fan bases that travel well either. Not many can afford the cost and time to travel cross country regularly.
 

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Many on here are overlooking one paramount issue.
The next move the SEC will make will be more of a preventative and or countermeasure, then "I would like this school in my portfolio"
 

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Many on here are overlooking one paramount issue.
The next move the SEC will make will be more of a preventative and or countermeasure, then "I would like this school in my portfolio"
Bingo. It doesn’t matter what kinda pact Georgia and Florida etc may have. If ESPN calls and says do this or that because of fox. The schools will vote how ESPN says.
 
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Could not have happened to a better group. I have been a Gamecock fan for a long time. I still remember back in the early 70's when CU and Maryland was supposed to leave the ACC with us. Benedict Arnold took his horse and rode to CU and Maryland and said you both fit what I am looking for on betrayal and not keeping your word. You both have a history of betrayal. USC got left holding the bag. Well it is really interesting how that mother Karma said "wait" and I will make things right. So yes like they say what goes around comes around. Good luck to being an independent. The only school that can survive being an Independent is Notre Dame. FSU,Miami, CU do not even come close to being one that can survive being Independent.
Gamecock fans love to tell this story of how CU double crossed us, agreeing to leave and then not doing it. I understand its great for the hate Clemson narrative but it is simply not true. The disaster of us leaving the ACC and the athletic purgatory it put us in for decades is solely the fault of the Carolina administration at the time.
 

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Gamecock fans love to tell this story of how CU double crossed us, agreeing to leave and then not doing it. I understand its great for the hate Clemson narrative but it is simply not true. The disaster of us leaving the ACC and the athletic purgatory it put us in for decades is solely the fault of the Carolina administration at the time.
My friend you need a history lesson of this issue. That is all I am going to say. What I say is true and I stand by my statements and view points 100%.
 
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Bingo. It doesn’t matter what kinda pact Georgia and Florida etc may have. If ESPN calls and says do this or that because of fox. The schools will vote how ESPN says.
Not true. The member institutions all vote on these issues. It does take 75% of the member schools to approve or disaprove. From all indications it does not appear that these schools will have the required 75%.
 

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Bingo. It doesn’t matter what kinda pact Georgia and Florida etc may have. If ESPN calls and says do this or that because of fox. The schools will vote how ESPN says.
Don’t disagree with the ESPN issue. But that’s why I don’t think it would be FSU/Clem. If ESPN is driving it and it’s a defensive measure, then it’s going to be UNC and UVA that are the prized possessions.
 

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Not true. The member institutions all vote on these issues. It does take 75% of the member schools to approve or disaprove. From all indications it does not appear that these schools will have the required 75%.
There were arguments that TAMU & LSU would not vote for the inclusion of Texas, but the vote was unanimous.
There will be revelations from the FSU vs ACC lawsuit that will reveal how deeply involved ESPN was involved in the ACC GOR document. Failures from ACC/ESPN to notify members and allow votes on certain matters.(ESPN is about to have some dirty laundry revealed, and it does not paint them in a good light) I say this to indicate that the networks will be the driving and deciding force, for better or worse.
 

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Don’t disagree with the ESPN issue. But that’s why I don’t think it would be FSU/Clem. If ESPN is driving it and it’s a defensive measure, then it’s going to be UNC and UVA that are the prized possessions.
Perhaps later but not likely in the initial moves.
 
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Don’t disagree with the ESPN issue. But that’s why I don’t think it would be FSU/Clem. If ESPN is driving it and it’s a defensive measure, then it’s going to be UNC and UVA that are the prized possessions.
Not if the big got there hands on them first. I don’t understand the UVA love either but we will have to wait and see who is correct on that. You can’t take UVA without Va Tech. State laws would have to be changed.
 
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Not true. The member institutions all vote on these issues. It does take 75% of the member schools to approve or disaprove. From all indications it does not appear that these schools will have the required 75%.
I situation which, if true today, might not hold forth tomorrow. This is about more than personal bias.
 
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Don’t disagree with the ESPN issue. But that’s why I don’t think it would be FSU/Clem. If ESPN is driving it and it’s a defensive measure, then it’s going to be UNC and UVA that are the prized possessions.
But it's questionable whether or not the SEC can get them.
 

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My friend you need a history lesson of this issue. That is all I am going to say. What I say is true and I stand by my statements and view points 100%.
As do i. There has never been any credible evidence this ever happened. It was an easy story for Gamecock fans to buy at the time because it took the focus off the USC administration. Even if it was true, the fault still lies squarely at the feet of USC leadership at the time.
 

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There were arguments that TAMU & LSU would not vote for the inclusion of Texas, but the vote was unanimous.
There will be revelations from the FSU vs ACC lawsuit that will reveal how deeply involved ESPN was involved in the ACC GOR document. Failures from ACC/ESPN to notify members and allow votes on certain matters.(ESPN is about to have some dirty laundry revealed, and it does not paint them in a good light) I say this to indicate that the networks will be the driving and deciding force, for better or worse.
Sounds like a FSU boost. Have read that Clemson told USC, when they were hot about leaving, that the reason for leaving was gonna go away but USC was as stubborn as a 15 yr old mule and left anyway. At that time, a horrible decision but ended up being a HUGE boost for USC with the SEC invite. Looking at what had to transpire for USC to get into the SEC proves there ain't no chicken curse. The SEC has lapped the B10 with the additions of Texas and Ok. Some idiot said that So Cal and UCLA to the B10 were better additions. Hey, Idiot, check the polls. B10 may add Hawaii at some point in the future. That way So Cal and UCLA, if they don't get too confused, can fly west instead of east for ball games. Funny that you fly west to arrive what is known geographically as the east as far as China, etc. goes.

If USC had not been invited in the early 90s, the school might have had to wait until the A&M invite. Instead of Mo, the SEC would probably have gone after USC because of cultural and geographical reasons.
 
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Sounds like a FSU boost. Have read that Clemson told USC, when they were hot about leaving, that the reason for leaving was gonna go away but USC was as stubborn as a 15 yr old mule and left anyway. At that time, a horrible decision but ended up being a HUGE boost for USC with the SEC invite. Looking at what had to transpire for USC to get into the SEC proves there ain't no chicken curse. The SEC has lapped the B10 with the additions of Texas and Ok. Some idiot said that So Cal and UCLA to the B10 were better additions. Hey, Idiot, check the polls. B10 may add Hawaii at some point in the future. That way So Cal and UCLA, if they don't get too confused, can fly west instead of east for ball games. Funny that you fly west to arrive what is known geographically as the east as far as China, etc. goes.

If USC had not been invited in the early 90s, the school might have had to wait until the A&M invite. Instead of Mo, the SEC would probably have gone after USC because of cultural and geographical reasons.
You do realize “passed” is measured In terms of money and not a poll or scoreboard right. Fox will be paying the big ten more than ESPN is paying the SEC. So the statement is not untrue.
 

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You do realize “passed” is measured In terms of money and not a poll or scoreboard right. Fox will be paying the big ten more than ESPN is paying the SEC. So the statement is not untrue.
Don't think that will be true in the long run. If it is down the road, then the SEC needs a new dancing partner. Texas and Ok will bring more tv eyeballs than So Cal and UCLA and that should result in a bigger paycheck. There will be more interest in a SEC schedule for those two teams than there ever was for a B12 schedule. If ESPN falters, then......................
 

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I know this is about football but how hilarious would it be for ACC basketball to have the blue blood Tar Heels leave for the SEC.
 

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Sounds like a FSU boost. Have read that Clemson told USC, when they were hot about leaving, that the reason for leaving was gonna go away but USC was as stubborn as a 15 yr old mule and left anyway. At that time, a horrible decision but ended up being a HUGE boost for USC with the SEC invite. Looking at what had to transpire for USC to get into the SEC proves there ain't no chicken curse. The SEC has lapped the B10 with the additions of Texas and Ok. Some idiot said that So Cal and UCLA to the B10 were better additions. Hey, Idiot, check the polls. B10 may add Hawaii at some point in the future. That way So Cal and UCLA, if they don't get too confused, can fly west instead of east for ball games. Funny that you fly west to arrive what is known geographically as the east as far as China, etc. goes.

If USC had not been invited in the early 90s, the school might have had to wait until the A&M invite. Instead of Mo, the SEC would probably have gone after USC because of cultural and geographical reasons.
Aside from being all over the place, USC exit of ACC, chicken curse, to chasing the International date line, adding 2 teams from the west coast, and one of them being a Blue Blood in the world of CFB can hardly be considered as idiotic.
 
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