SEC Not interested in Miami, FSU or Clemson per ON3

[cockyferg]

Actually, I don't know that it would be a great idea to add FSU or Clemson or any teams that have any pedigree to the SEC at this point. They are going to water down the talent so much in the SEC by having teams like Texas and Oklahoma now.

 

[Big JC]

Sounds like a FSU boost. Have read that Clemson told USC, when they were hot about leaving, that the reason for leaving was gonna go away but USC was as stubborn as a 15 yr old mule and left anyway. At that time, a horrible decision but ended up being a HUGE boost for USC with the SEC invite. Looking at what had to transpire for USC to get into the SEC proves there ain't no chicken curse. The SEC has lapped the B10 with the additions of Texas and Ok. Some idiot said that So Cal and UCLA to the B10 were better additions. Hey, Idiot, check the polls. B10 may add Hawaii at some point in the future. That way So Cal and UCLA, if they don't get too confused, can fly west instead of east for ball games. Funny that you fly west to arrive what is known geographically as the east as far as China, etc. goes.

If USC had not been invited in the early 90s, the school might have had to wait until the A&M invite. Instead of Mo, the SEC would probably have gone after USC because of cultural and geographical reasons.

You'll have to explain the HUGE boost USC got by joining the SEC. I contend that if we had stayed in the ACC we would have a better record and likely a few conference championships. We are a lower tier program in the SEC, no matter how much we don't want that to be true. I think we would have been a top two or three program in the ACC.

 

[KingWard]

Aside from being all over the place, USC exit of ACC, chicken curse, to chasing the International date line, adding 2 teams from the west coast, and one of them being a Blue Blood in the world of CFB can hardly be considered as idiotic.

Some people have problems getting past micro perspectives.

 

[CockofEarle…]

"the greater the alcohol intake, the lower the standards of pretty"

Guilty as charged 🫣

 

[Spurman54]

As do i. There has never been any credible evidence this ever happened. It was an easy story for Gamecock fans to buy at the time because it took the focus off the USC administration. Even if it was true, the fault still lies squarely at the feet of USC leadership at the time.

My friend the proof lies in the pudding. You still do not get it. The proof is there. The leadership made the right decision whether you like it or not.

 

[USC2USC]

My friend the proof lies in the pudding. You still do not get it. The proof is there. The leadership made the right decision whether you like it or not.

What proof?

 

[Big JC]

My friend the proof lies in the pudding. You still do not get it. The proof is there. The leadership made the right decision whether you like it or not.

There is absolutely no objective evidence that leaving the ACC was a good decision. If I recall correctly, back in those days the ACC only sent its tournament champion to the NCAA tournament and McGuire couldn't ever win the ACC tournament in basketball. The admin let the basketball tail wag the dog and made a bad move. I still contend staying in the ACC would have meant much more success in football than what we have had since we left.

 

[Atlanta_Cock]

There is absolutely no objective evidence that leaving the ACC was a good decision. If I recall correctly, back in those days the ACC only sent its tournament champion to the NCAA tournament and McGuire couldn't ever win the ACC tournament in basketball. The admin let the basketball tail wag the dog and made a bad move. I still contend staying in the ACC would have meant much more success in football than what we have had since we left.

Correct, except the tournament part.

 

[Spurman54]

There is absolutely no objective evidence that leaving the ACC was a good decision. If I recall correctly, back in those days the ACC only sent its tournament champion to the NCAA tournament and McGuire couldn't ever win the ACC tournament in basketball. The admin let the basketball tail wag the dog and made a bad move. I still contend staying in the ACC would have meant much more success in football than what we have had since we left.

Like they say we all have an opinion. Leaving the ACC was the best decision the University of South Carolina ever made. Look at the long term decison effects. Look at where we are today. Say no more. The schools wanting to leave tne ACC and are begging to be admitted to the SEC. Those are facts not an opinion.

 

[Big JC]

Like they say we all have an opinion. Leaving the ACC was the best decision the University of South Carolina ever made. Look at the long term decison effects. Look at where we are today. Say no more. The schools wanting to leave tne ACC and are begging to be admitted to the SEC. Those are facts not an opinion.

I guess I would have rather had three decades of winning more than losing in conference games and probably having a handful of conference championships in the ACC than three decades of irrelevance and losing in the SEC. As to where we are today, we are a lower tier SEC program who isn't even sniffing a championship.

 

[Spurman54]

I guess I would have rather had three decades of winning more than losing in conference games and probably having a handful of conference championships in the ACC than three decades of irrelevance and losing in the SEC. As to where we are today, we are a lower tier SEC program who isn't even sniffing a championship.

You sound just like a far left person. That's ok. Everyone has an opinion.

 

[VZVZ]

The ACC is completely unstable and will continue to be that way. Getting into the SEC is one of the best things that could ever happen. USC could be wandering the wilderness right now, but instead it is in the black with a great home schedule in all sports.

I’m not an alumnus and I think the University of South Carolina is pretty great. Everybody wants conference championships. I say polish your academic strengths and sports you are competitive at and achieve depth with those. Everybody in the south would like to win the SEC football championship and USC is competitive, but some more things need to fall in place.

 

[Lurker123]

You sound just like a far left person. That's ok. Everyone has an opinion.

Not sure what politics has to do with this debate.

I understand how being in the SEC while the ACC crumbles is a comfortable spot. But one more wave of expansion, and that advantage could disappear overnight.

Staying in the ACC could (could) have given us a few titles, like Clemson, and then left us in the same exact spot as we are now, after expansion.

 

[KingWard]

Do we really want UNC to the SEC? After all the **** they've pulled against us, do we really want them here in the SEC? I would love to see UVA and Notre Dame instead of UVA and UNC....

It's not going to be about what you want or what I want. When fans start talking about what they want or what teams "we" should let into the league, I go.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The SEC will have no interest in Clemson or FSU all the way up until the moment Clemson and FSU join the SEC.

 

[Big JC]

Not sure what politics has to do with this debate.

I understand how being in the SEC while the ACC crumbles is a comfortable spot. But one more wave of expansion, and that advantage could disappear overnight.

Staying in the ACC could (could) have given us a few titles, like Clemson, and then left us in the same exact spot as we are now, after expansion.

I guess I think winning 70+% of our games and having a handful of conference championships over the last 50 years in the ACC would have been preferable to being a perennial mid to lower tier .500 program in the SEC for the past 30 and generally irrelevant for the 20 years we were independent. There was no way the admin had any clue about what would happen in the next 52 years when they decided to go independent. They surely did not foresee joining the SEC 21 years in the future or the radical changes that have happened with conference realignment and tv money. To say they "made the right decision" regarding leaving the ACC is ridiculous. I would say that, on balance, South Carolina has suffered more than we have gained by leaving the ACC.

My opinion has nothing to do with politics, I guess I'm a believer in the old saying "the grass isn't always greener".