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Boom Boom

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It’s generational, man. The progressives will control the national Democratic Party apparatus in 20 years.

The liberals will do what they can to hold that off. If Buttigieg were from a more Democratic friendly state, I’d suggest he leave the cabinet and run for Governor.

He’s not the next one up (that would be the Veep) but you’ve got to have some depth in the leadership.



AOC would be considered one.

She’s early in her tenure in the house. But wait ten years when she gains seniority…

Sanders to a certain extent. He’s been a good agitator for change (not that I agree with him but he’s moved the needle on some issues and that’s something to be respected).

As good as he is in the Senate, Sanders would have been a horrible President.
AOC and Sanders are certainly further "left" than most of the rest of the Party. But...they control nothing. Implicitly, the center-left has all control of the Dem Parry, correct?

Maybe thay will change. Maybe not. There's a lot of money, power, and corruption against it after all.
 

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AOC and Sanders are certainly further "left" than most of the rest of the Party. But...they control nothing. Implicitly, the center-left has all control of the Dem Parry, correct?

Maybe thay will change. Maybe not. There's a lot of money, power, and corruption against it after all.

Sanders has the hearts of the Progressive People, man.

He is the Moses of the Modern Progressive movement.

Sanders isn’t going to live to see what happens but he’s one of their main architects.

Edit to add: I go back and forth on whether Warren is a progressive or a liberal but she’d likely be considered an architect as well.
 

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9 pages. It can happen. Miracles do happen. Can't remember the last time the words "small businesses" were used.
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Boom Boom

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Sanders has the hearts of the Progressive People, man.

He is the Moses of the Modern Progressive movement.

Sanders isn’t going to live to see what happens but he’s one of their main architects.

Edit to add: I go back and forth on whether Warren is a progressive or a liberal but she’d likely be considered an architect as well.
Warren is a pro-regulation capitalist. Politics makes strange bedfellows. In other times they'd be nowhere near each other. (I fall in her camp, not AOC or Sanders btw).

The current actual story of American politics is the anti-regulation (ie, corrupt) Dems trying to stay in power via "woke" identity politics (See, Buttigieg, Harris, Adams), and how the cult GOP reacts to them. Between the pro-regulation capitalists, the corrupt capitalist Dems, and the cult crazy GOP, there's an array of alliances against the socialist/woke left. There's no route to gain power there for them. They can sneak a presidency win at best, but would have a hostile Congress and SC to prevent them actually accomplishing anything lasting, at least on the main issues. They can push the needle on things like police reform, student loans, etc, and will much more if they sneak in that presidency win. Congress is far too gerrymandered for anything else to change until all the Boomers die off.
 

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Maybe you should have looked for more than 3 seconds:

That "study" doesn't prove anything about Scalia's bias because it wasn't intended to. It was just written so that it could be cited in articles claiming they're biased. Doesn't matter that it's bunk. It's just like Warren's "Medical bankruptcy" "study".
 

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You said for him to tell you first, so he did. ?
I called him out on that too.

Dude is smart but he made the mistake of trying to protect PDT who was unavailable to respond for a while.

He got on to me and said I shouldn’t be blunt & asking a guy with Aspergers to not be blunt is like pissing into a strong wind.

He’d pee all over himself all the time because folks with Aspergers are blunt— some even more so.

Andrew Tate found out about that earlier this week:

 

johnson86-1

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First, you male clear with every post who is the dumb one here. Show some humility at least, that you should be capable of.

The ACLU has been doing that for decades. And the right vilifies them. Case closed.
The ACLU wasn't vilified for its support of free expression. People on the right were generally dismayed when the ACLU backed off of its more or less absolutist position on free expression.
 
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Not sure I trashed them as socialist but yes, I did trash them. They 17ed a lot of **** up.

That "study" doesn't prove anything about Scalia's bias because it wasn't intended to. It was just written so that it could be cited in articles claiming they're biased. Doesn't matter that it's bunk. It's just like Warren's "Medical bankruptcy" "study".
Uh huh,.says the hack who says Jan 6 is a non issue.
 

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The ACLU wasn't vilified for its support of free expression. People on the right were generally dismayed when the ACLU backed off of its more or less absolutist position on free expression.
Ok, what issue/cases would that be?

When was this past period that the right loved the ACLU?
 

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Bad faith argument. You fail to acknowledge that I have a point, and instead are making an appeal to authority argument from some rando. And you top it off by generalizing me and my views. Irony.
Someone named "Boom Boom" on a sports message board calls a respected criminologist who's a professor in one the nation's top criminology programs and publishes and tweets under his name a "rando." Dude, you appear to be immune to reason and evidence. Keep impressing those middle schoolers with your deep thoughts. The rest of us know better. Some self awareness might be useful. Just sayin'
 

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Someone named "Boom Boom" calls a respected criminologist who's a professor in one the nation's top criminology programs and publishes and tweet under his name a "rando." Dude, you appear to be immune to reason and evidence. Keep impressing those middle schoolers with your deep thoughts. The rest of us know better.
Just going by what you posted, buddy. I did readily admit a good point you made earlier, that I misread a post. I don't have a problem admitting good points. That's your problem, not mine, and it's entirely typical of the conservative mindset.

Maybe this guy makes good points on policing. But you didn't provide one. Own up to it maybe?
 

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Ok, what issue/cases would that be?

When was this past period that the right loved the ACLU?
I don't think there was ever a point that the right loved the ACLU. But they mostly didn't dislike them for their position on free expression. They probably generally disagreed with their establishment clause litigation.

It was a genuine loss when wokeness caused them to back off of their absolutist position. I don't think the current environment will allow a group like the ACLU to avoid becoming just a partisan group. I think you are going to see single issue organizations take up the slack.
 

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I don't think there was ever a point that the right loved the ACLU. But they mostly didn't dislike them for their position on free expression. They probably generally disagreed with their establishment clause litigation.

It was a genuine loss when wokeness caused them to back off of their absolutist position. I don't think the current environment will allow a group like the ACLU to avoid becoming just a partisan group. I think you are going to see single issue organizations take up the slack.
Ok, what cases does this change involve? What statements have they made that reflect this change in position?
 

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Ok, thought this might go there. I think you are referring to the below part, if not let me know which part you are referring to.

Um...where's the beef? This smacks of some hack trying to make hay of the first part, while ignoring the second part.


"The impact of the proposed speech and the impact of its suppression: Our defense of
speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which
we are also committed, depending on factors such as the (present and historical) context of
the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which
the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are
contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which
the speech will occur. At the same time, not defending such speech from official suppression
may also have harmful impacts, depending on the breadth or viewpoint-based character of
the suppression, the precedent that allowing suppression might create for the rights of other
speakers, and the impact on the credibility of the ACLU as a staunch and principled
defender of free speech. Many of these impacts will be difficult if not impossible to
measure, and none of them should be dispositive. But as an organization equally committed
to free speech and equality, we should make every effort to consider the consequences of
our actions, for constitutional law, for the community in which the speech will occur, and
for the speaker and others whose speech might be suppressed in the future."
 

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First, you male clear with every post who is the dumb one here. Show some humility at least, that you should be capable of.

The ACLU has been doing that for decades. And the right vilifies them. Case closed.
So you agree with right supports free speech? Thanks for playing.
 

paindonthurt

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I was with you until the last sentence. Fact is (pesky things, those facts)
Weird you talk about facts but don’t use them.
Democratic house
Republican senate
Democratic governor
But of course none of that matters bc the police reports to the mayor and is hired by the mayor.
The police chief during George Floyd was black and likely a democrat.

Weird you talk about facts but don’t use them.
Democratic house
Republicans senate
Democratic governor
But of course none of that matters bc the police chief is hired by the mayor and reports to the mayor. He was also black and statistically speaking he was likely a democrat.



mayor's don't have much control over the police. The (conservative) state legislatures see to it as much as they can, and politics takes care of the rest. We have conservative POLICY control when it comes to the police. And those policies killed George Floyd, and conservatives are resisting altering those policies. With great success (politically).
 

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I called him out on that too.

Dude is smart but he made the mistake of trying to protect PDT who was unavailable to respond for a while.

He got on to me and said I shouldn’t be blunt & asking a guy with Aspergers to not be blunt is like pissing into a strong wind.

He’d pee all over himself all the time because folks with Aspergers are blunt— some even more so.

Andrew Tate found out about that earlier this week:


Oh snap! Greta got him! You go girl.

that’s sarcasm by the way.****
 

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All the Five Guys here have virtually all Hispanic workers. Don't know how much they pay, but there's a tip jar for cash and a spot to add a tip for charge card. Could be they make $2.13 like most waiters/waitresses do. But all they do is take your order; you have to pick it up yourself when it's ready.

McDonald's here has mostly blacks and a couple of older white women. There's a sign on the drivethru at the location nearest me that says starting is $13/hr, openers and closers $15, and store managers up to $76K/year.

I've always thought of fast food places as being a spot for high school kids and some college kids to get a start in employment, not a career place (except, of course, in corporate).
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Ok, thought this might go there. I think you are referring to the below part, if not let me know which part you are referring to.

Um...where's the beef? This smacks of some hack trying to make hay of the first part, while ignoring the second part.


"The impact of the proposed speech and the impact of its suppression: Our defense of
speech may have a greater or lesser harmful impact on the equality and justice work to which
we are also committed, depending on factors such as the (present and historical) context of
the proposed speech; the potential effect on marginalized communities; the extent to which
the speech may assist in advancing the goals of white supremacists or others whose views are
contrary to our values; and the structural and power inequalities in the community in which
the speech will occur. At the same time, not defending such speech from official suppression
may also have harmful impacts, depending on the breadth or viewpoint-based character of
the suppression, the precedent that allowing suppression might create for the rights of other
speakers, and the impact on the credibility of the ACLU as a staunch and principled
defender of free speech. Many of these impacts will be difficult if not impossible to
measure, and none of them should be dispositive. But as an organization equally committed
to free speech and equality, we should make every effort to consider the consequences of
our actions, for constitutional law, for the community in which the speech will occur, and
for the speaker and others whose speech might be suppressed in the future."
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Weird you talk about facts but don’t use them.
Democratic house
Republican senate
Democratic governor
But of course none of that matters bc the police reports to the mayor and is hired by the mayor.
The police chief during George Floyd was black and likely a democrat.

Weird you talk about facts but don’t use them.
Democratic house
Republicans senate
Democratic governor
But of course none of that matters bc the police chief is hired by the mayor and reports to the mayor. He was also black and statistically speaking he was likely a democrat.



mayor's don't have much control over the police. The (conservative) state legislatures see to it as much as they can, and politics takes care of the rest. We have conservative POLICY control when it comes to the police. And those policies killed George Floyd, and conservatives are resisting altering those policies. With great success (politically).
Do try to learn something:

 

paindonthurt

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F me you are a goal post moving retard.

you said mayors don’t have much say so and state legislators do.

the article you just linked says mayors do have control and doesn’t mention anything about state legislatures having control.

so thanks for proving our point.
 

Boom Boom

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F me you are a goal post moving retard.

you said mayors don’t have much say so and state legislators do.

the article you just linked says mayors do have control and doesn’t mention anything about state legislatures having control.

so thanks for proving our point.
I didn't move the goalposts, you just missed the whole Goddarn series.

Mayors NOMINALLY have control, but as I said many many pages ago, you can make liberal me the head of the KKK, but it's not gonna change the actions of the rank file a dang bit. The article shows how the vets won't change, and here's a key part you missed....aided and abetted by the state legislatures, that set the rules that allow the vets to do so.

This isn't hard. So either you're lying about it, or just dumb. Either way, not worth wasting any more time on. Good day.
 
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