There debatable.no way to tell if he would have fared better against an Iowa defense that had just come off a game against Maryland where they created 7(?) turnovers and were having their way against the PSU O Line.
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Well there’s this thing that when he wasn’t in the act of being hit he actually threw catchable balls to open receivers. Sean has never been overwhelming in that regard.
Is Roberson still on the team? If so, Veilleux is ahead of him now. Maybe he should have been ahead for Iowa too. If Veilleux was in some sort of doghouse, I hope it was worth it for Franklin because we may have lost 2 games because of it.
The 3 year starter led 4 fruitless and disjointed drives against the same defense.
Surely, that should be considered in the discussion.
Not sure if it was his sister or girlfriend, but at the end of the Big10 Networks “Final Drive”, they showed Veilleux taking a photo with his family. The sister or girlfriend- yowza- total smoke show. I know- flags on me.
Tired: Replaying the Iowa game with CV instead of TR.
Wired: Replaying the Illinois game with CV instead of SC.
Yes. And CJF indicated Veilleux was not ready for Iowa. Check out his post game presser.
That’s what he said. It doesn’t mean it’s true. Like someone above posted, Clifford started over Veilleux yesterday. With hindsight, it was the wrong decision if you wanted to win.
Clifford got the start IMO because it was senior day and right fully earned however really wonder about the judgement to put him on the field if he had to miss warm ups for IVs. Also keep in mind that Vielleux was also sick and taking IVs on Friday doesnt make him the next great thing but was nice to see him and others when they got the chance perform well . Makes me wish they had gotten that chance a little sooner
Unfortunately - Franklins tendency to refuse to answer tough questions and just say things like, “I just wanna focus on Rutgers and these kids” has worn thin.
I don’t really believe a word that comes out of his mouth anymore. Maybe Veilleux wasn’t ready, but it’s just as likely that Veilleux was still in the summer dog house and Franklin was covering his *** or being loyal to Roberson
Franklin said that he wasn't ready against Iowa. It was a different environment. So,he is telling us that Roberson was? What a farce! Also, Tengwall should have played all season. He is 6 '6" 320 and has massive legs. Wallace gives up ground and gets killed. I can't believe Trait we in can't see this. Quit the favortism.
So the Flu is back this year, Who knew?
Favoritism: at this point I’m wondering about it myself. There’s no incentive if favoritism prevails.
Franklin comes across as the kind of guy who thinks, "he waited his turn so it's his until he shows me otherwise", then defines "shows me otherwise" as some unattainable level of bad because he also comes across as a guy who thinks changing his mind means admitting he was wrong.
yet he's replaced more assistant coaches than anyone else at PSU ever has- which says the exact opposite
Didn’t a lot of those assistant coaches choose to move on for better opportunities?
some did indeed- guess they were good hires, maybe CJF isn't as dumb as some here seem to think he is
Franklin has done great things. No doubt. But he also repeatedly does things that make you crazy and cause you to wonder if those things will prevent him from winning a National Championship.
Because obviously you know more about a players’s development watching the game on TV than Franklin and the other coaches who watch them every day in practice. You really need to get over yourself. I remember a coach who won like 409 games saying about playing freshmen that it’s better to play them one game “too late” rather than one game “too soon”. But what the heck would Paterno know about football?
Veilleux had not played football since2019. But of course it would have made perfect sense to throw him at Kinnick vs Iowa. Coaches are so clueless.
Maybe he played Roberson one game too early? I shouldn’t have raised any question at all, is that what you’re saying? Never wonder about a decision? Have you ever raised a question about someone else’s decision, or do you assume they always make the right decisions?
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And Roberson played meaningful football since 2019? He did not look prepared at all. I never said coaches are clueless. Roberson’s performance didn’t cause you to ask any questions at all?
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Veilleux played very well yesterday. Clifford has been hurt most of the season and was sick with the flu yesterday on top of it. Celebrate Veilleux’s performance, but why bash Clifford? Clifford has been tough and has done a lot of good for PSU the past few years.
Fair point. The ceiling for our backup QB that day may have been committing no turnovers. And at least TR did that. And that did keep us in the game deep into the 4th quarter. But we should and really must expect more from our backup QB.
Clifford is a warrior and gives his all for PSU. When he has time he can hit his receivers. He is effective when healthy, and even when he is banged up a bit.
Except he hasn't at all.
He's had (rightly) the same DC for several years. On offense, just about every coach that left went for a head job or for a lateral-but-better job.
I don't know that the assistant coach policy/philosophy would show his unwillingness to be wrong anyway. The relationship between two grown men, and their work rapport, lack thereof, etc., much different than playing the guys in the building you've promised PT, or to be next in line to have to prove they CAN'T do the job.
Certainly, if the relationships were thought of as similar, one could look at the Rahne promotion in the same light: Why was he suddenly qualified to run that offense when Jo Mo left, outside of he was thought of "next in line to try".
Why weren't you available for Illinois?
Maybe my joy in seeing a QB come in and play well is getting the better of me, but I thought Veilleux was about one long completion away yesterday from playing as well as Clifford has played in any game this season. As a 2 year returning starter.
Sure Veilleux may have his ups and downs if and when he plays more for PSU. But he showed very good accuracy. Better accuracy than Clifford has showed the majority of this season. The TD to Dotson was right on the money. If you remember Dotson catching the big TD earlier in the season from Clifford coming across from left to right in the end zone, the ball was way behind him and no one pretty much other than Dotson could have made that catch look routine the way Dotson did.
And there have been comments coming out of the team that indicate that Veilleux has a cannon of an arm. But he showed nice touch on a number of throws.
Clifford has been a warrior in a PSU uniform and he may come back for 2022. But after seeing Veilleux yesterday, and with the 2 young talented QB's committed for 2022, there is more than just "hope" going forward for PSU QB play .....
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Yep. It's fun to discuss the QB play yesterday. But the OL play has been to root of the both the poor running game as well as Clifford getting beat up and having to force throws early.
We know that Walker and Wallace are returning starters, but seemed to play somewhat better in previous seasons. But the poor OT play this season seems to have been the biggest contributor to the poor pass protection that has been consistent this season, and hitting a new low against Michigan. Really, the single biggest reason for that loss. So it is hard for a fan that follows recruiting and the roster closely to understand why Tengwall has been on the bench all season. And even more so after Tengwall came in yesterday and was obviously an improvement over the players that started yesterday's game.........
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No, you weren't wrong.
The love for 14 here, who has been average on his best days, is concerning. Like people with Stockholm Syndrome, happy to take anyone who successfully takes sacks and gets back up as a sign of being good.
If Veilleux has any of Trace's "wiggle" and playmaking, along with the accuracy and strong arm he showed yesterday, PSU football could have their man....
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